NYCmetsfan
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New Hampshire being the weird exception. Not that they're conservative but rather more un predictable
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"New Hampshire: The South of the North".
Right-wing jackass sez racism doesn't exist cause women in elevators are uncomfortable around him as well:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/don-lemo...u-to-tell-us-were-not-having-that-experience/
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/don-lemo...u-to-tell-us-were-not-having-that-experience/
The Librarian
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Well, honestly, I clutch my purse a little tighter whenever I post in the PoliGAF thread. Too many men around here.
It's a much more libertarian type of conservatism while Vermont is as progressive as they come in almost all parts of the state.
TacticalFox88
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PhoenixDark
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Just watched Meet The Press's race discussion, it was pretty good imo. Tavis Smiley was quite upset, to put it lightly, about Obama's alleged dereliction of duty on addressing race issues in America. I have plenty of problems with Obama as a president, but I don't really see the point of this criticism. He's not the president of black America, he's the president of the United States. There are certainly things he could have done to help issues of race, especially in relation to drug laws, which he has largely ignored outside of crack/cocaine sentence disparities. But overall there is no magic wand he can use to fix things in this one demographic, and as he's said before a rising tide raises all ships. A better economy would lead to better opportunities for black people, who have the highest unemployment rate in the country.
Most of the problems in the black community are systemic. As Pigeon said, we're talking about a community that has been systematically fucked for a long time, and the remnants remain. You can't simply "pick up the pieces" after most of the businesses and grocery stores have left your neighborhood, after schools have become wastelands, after drugs and guns are literally available everywhere. There certainly are ways to fix inner city schools and offer more after school programs for kids though, and various other steps that can be taken.
On a side note, it would be interesting for Obama to invite many of these differing opinions to the White House to discuss this issue and how we move forward. From Tavis Smiley to Ben Carson, Eric Cantor to John Lewis, Charles Ogletree to Newt Gingrich. David Simon to David Brooks. Not as some public Race Summit, but as an honest private discussion of where we're at and where we CAN go.
Most of the problems in the black community are systemic. As Pigeon said, we're talking about a community that has been systematically fucked for a long time, and the remnants remain. You can't simply "pick up the pieces" after most of the businesses and grocery stores have left your neighborhood, after schools have become wastelands, after drugs and guns are literally available everywhere. There certainly are ways to fix inner city schools and offer more after school programs for kids though, and various other steps that can be taken.
On a side note, it would be interesting for Obama to invite many of these differing opinions to the White House to discuss this issue and how we move forward. From Tavis Smiley to Ben Carson, Eric Cantor to John Lewis, Charles Ogletree to Newt Gingrich. David Simon to David Brooks. Not as some public Race Summit, but as an honest private discussion of where we're at and where we CAN go.
Aaron Strife
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/news/k...-on-basis-for-mideast-peace-talks.php?ref=fpb
If John Kerry facilitates a successful peace negotiation between Israel and Palestine, he should run for president.
I mean, totally not gonna happen, but still.
TPM backpat said:
If John Kerry facilitates a successful peace negotiation between Israel and Palestine, he should run for president.
I mean, totally not gonna happen, but still.
Because Kerry for President went so well last time :lol
Black Mamba
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Most of the men here are liberals which mean they are weak and scared and probably use a man-purse. Honestly, I'm the only real man here, everyone else are just boys playing dress up in daddy's clothes.
In real news:
So then, the worst Congress ever since it will repeal nothing!?
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The Autumn Wind
It's a carry-all!
The Librarian
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oh ok that's good to know
I love Boehner is getting ripped to shreds in the press.
PhoenixDark
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Saying he's better than he was in '04 isn't saying much. There are dead people with more charisma than he had in '04.
Couldn't be happening to a nicer guy.
I literally just cackled out loud reading that.
Don't judge us by the work that we won't do. Judge us by the work that we undo.
Seriously, it burns my eyes. I can't see shit anymore.
Aaron Strife
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Well considering how the Senate has repealed no legislation, you can't judge them by that either.
Black Mamba
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Why would you do this!?!?
Not a bad body for an older right-wing jackass. I'd have sex with him. Angry, hateful sex.
Why not?
NYCmetsfan
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"most advanced countries"
I wouldn't use that to describe nazi germany.
But seriously props to scalia. Islam AND Nazi references? That's a home run for his crowd
And this is pretty funny:
Isn't this the reason they overturned VRA? "the country has changed"
I can keep telling you, it's European!!
"I can never find anything in here..."
Because Scalia.
NYCmetsfan
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So McCain said we need to look at stand your ground.
With his stands on immigration, the filibuster (Reid thanked him not McConnell), now this are we gonna see more of Mr. Maverick?
I liked McCain for the longest while but 2008 and his flirtation with the tea party has been sad to watch.
With his stands on immigration, the filibuster (Reid thanked him not McConnell), now this are we gonna see more of Mr. Maverick?
I liked McCain for the longest while but 2008 and his flirtation with the tea party has been sad to watch.
PhoenixDark
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Much of what McCain does seems to be a giant "fuck you" to Ted Cruz and Rand Paul. Not that I'm complaining, it helps ensure the senate is functional and gets stuff done.
NYCmetsfan
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Chait has a good overview of the insanity of the GOP house though I disagree with his conclusions. He sees it getting worse I don't. There aren't enough crazies to pass their plans. The best they can do is imped Obama. And we've already established the haster rule is expendable.
I'm on my phone so I can't link.
I'm on my phone so I can't link.
Nailed it. He's seen the direction they want to take the party and has only now realized how bad an idea that would be.
PhoenixDark
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If that was completely true, why hasn't immigration been voted on? Boehner seems fine with breaking it to avoid deadlines and cliffs, but that's largely it. There is no cliff for immigration, and therefore it'll die a slow death.
Things will get better as republicans slowly lose the House between now and 2020, largely because the economy should continue to improve. I don't think right wing extremism will simply disappear when Obama leaves office, in fact it might get worse if Hillary wins. Not simply because they hate Hillary Clinton, but because this entire freakout is mainly about the decrease of white influence/power and the rise multiculturalism.
Have you guys read any of the "focus on the white vote" stuff coming from the right?
http://www.redstate.com/2013/07/17/fear-of-the-missing-white-voters/
Dax posted a Nate Cohen takedown on this general idea, and Cohen has continued to discuss it
http://www.newrepublic.com/article/113940/missing-white-voters-they-exist-not-enough-gop
This is truly a hail mary attempt. And when it doesn't work in 2016, it's game over for them. That will only increase their irrationality, fear, and anger. When you listen to Fox's portrayal of Obama's race comments you get the impression Obama is about to call for the execution of white people any minute now; black people are just waiting for his marching orders. That fear is real.
Black Mamba
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When they get slaughtered in 2016, the party will completely fracture.
BTW, regarding McCain, he today said that he thought it was an injustice how illegals are on the corner waiting for labor work, get picked up, then some SOB decides not to pay them and dares em to report him to the police. In other words, McCain has gone beyond "immigration reform needs to be done for the sake of the party" and into "look, it's immoral not to pass immigration reform."
I do think there's a difference and it matters. McCain is an asshole when he plays politics but unlike most of the GOP he does try to put people over party which makes him the exception in his party right now.
McCain also said he agreed with Obama's comments on race. It's about time someone on the right stood up and took an honest stance on the Presidents comments. The reflexive oppositionism of everything Obama says on the right is getting tiring. Good on McCain for bucking the trends of his party.
NYCmetsfan
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Oh I think your right its not completely true. Your not going to get it thrown away to pass what amounts to the GOP base as "optional legislation" but chaits point was that they are going to destroy the entire government and inflict catastrophic damage.
They are harmful in that they are preventing us from solving many problems but they're not going to be able to pull a debt ceiling act like they did before. If something "needs" to be solved the Bohner will break the rule
Its insane. For example with the NASA budget the GOP house is opposing the asteroid mission included in Obama's request not for fiscal reasons but because its "obama's idea". Nevermind the fact that Obama doesn't come up with NASA missions, scientists do. Obama just passes along their requests.
Black Mamba
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you got a link to that NASA story? I'd love to read it. Fucking GOP.
NYCmetsfan
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...166f82-f136-11e2-a1f9-ea873b7e0424_story.html
Their budget explicitly bars funding for NASA to conduct such a mission. Since when do politicians specifically direct scientists what they can and can't do?
Why? What does that have to do with being a good president? I mean it might be worthy of a nobel prize and a lot of praise and he might contribute more to world peace than any president but I don't really base my vote on the peace process.
Fucking Republicans. Obviously they just want to fuck everything up for everyone else.
NYCmetsfan
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Its BELOW sequester cuts. They want worse cuts. And technically they're 'earth science missions' but yeah its climate change.
Black Mamba
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This is infuriating.
Since George W. Bush.
NYCmetsfan
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Only positive thing is the senate won't budge on this. At least from what I've heard.
leave the rocket science to rocket scientists (stolen from a friend)
That requires them to get "slaughtered", and then fracture. Still big if's this far out.
...although I do wonder what would happen if either the Republicans or Democrats actually did bite the dust. We've essentially had the same parties for the past 140-170 years now, depending on how you want to classify the current two-party split. It would be pretty fascinating if that actually got shaken up.
My primary goal is launching American astronauts on American rockets from America, Palazzo said.
America
Can you even classify Republicans of today as similar to Republicans of the last 120 years?
I think todays Republicans are an entirely new party. They are essentially RINOs.
TekGryphon
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No you cannot.
Republicans of the first half of the 20th century believed in "efficient" government to balance the "improving" government of Democrats.
Remember Eisenhower. He closed tax loopholes the rich were exploiting, built the federal highway system, and warned us about the military industrial complex.
Republicans of today do not believe in "efficient" government. They are wholly and completely "anti-government".
In my opinion that makes them traitors. I base that opinion on the writings of our founding fathers, who were adamant about protecting the integrity of government from sedition.
PhoenixDark
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To be fair, democrats today are quite different from democrats 120 years ago as well.
I don't know if the party will fracture, but if they want to survive they'll need to completely revamp the way they select candidates. I've been saying for years that having South Carolina as the third primary election hurts the party. It always drives the party to the right, it's always ugly, and in the future it'll continue to make republicans look worse to "regular" people. From McCain's "black baby" in 2000 to Gingrich's "food stamp president" stuff last year, it's just not healthy for the party.
I know there's a lot of money and prestige involved, but someone has to stand up and move their primary schedule around. Missouri, Colorado, Ohio...those seem like far better choices. And if they want a southern state, take Virginia.
I don't know if the party will fracture, but if they want to survive they'll need to completely revamp the way they select candidates. I've been saying for years that having South Carolina as the third primary election hurts the party. It always drives the party to the right, it's always ugly, and in the future it'll continue to make republicans look worse to "regular" people. From McCain's "black baby" in 2000 to Gingrich's "food stamp president" stuff last year, it's just not healthy for the party.
I know there's a lot of money and prestige involved, but someone has to stand up and move their primary schedule around. Missouri, Colorado, Ohio...those seem like far better choices. And if they want a southern state, take Virginia.
They hold the primary in the deepest red you can get in South Carolina that isn't in the country. Also, you can't fucking trust SC voters, anyway. They voted for a guy who left two wives who were sick and an adulterer.
Avon Barksdale
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South Carolina is too much a bellwether for Republicans.
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