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You guys need to checkout tvbythenumbers.

Shit escalates like no other.

One second youre looking at TV ratings for Siberia, next thing you know its LIBERALS ARE DESTROYING AMERICA.
 
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Aaron

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The fact that people don't understand how government works is MIND BOGGLING.
How would they? It's not taught properly in school, like most other things. Schools teach a very superficial version of how government works, which is more misleading than anything.
 

KingK

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How would they? It's not taught properly in school, like most other things. Schools teach a very superficial version of how government works, which is more misleading than anything.

Yeah, I agree with this. I also think economics and personal finance should have a heavier focus in high schools. At my high school, there was a one semester Government class and a one semester Econ class. I really don't think that's enough time to adequately cover those subjects. Shit, they didn't even teach US history past WW2.
 
How would they? It's not taught properly in school, like most other things. Schools teach a very superficial version of how government works, which is more misleading than anything.

Its not like the teachers know what they are talking about either. Even in college I've had some professors say some strange things.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
How would they? It's not taught properly in school, like most other things. Schools teach a very superficial version of how government works, which is more misleading than anything.

That's true. After I posted that, I remembered that it was part of one of my majors and I elected to take AP government in high school. People aren't interested in politics, which is fine, I suppose, but the surface level understanding of how government works is harmful.
 
How would they? It's not taught properly in school, like most other things. Schools teach a very superficial version of how government works, which is more misleading than anything.

AP gov't is great. That's the only political class I ever took in HS. Though I've been following politics obsessively since about 2006-2007ish. So it more reinforced what I had picked up.

I think the thing that missing in most classes is an understanding of outside forces that changed the dynamics and forced action. Many HS classes treat movements as inevitable or something out of thin air when the reality was that things like the anti-slavery, suffrage, progressive movement, conservative movement were decades and centry long projects by those involved. Our system doesn't create ideas it institutionalizes them. People think congress is some place were smart people think up solutions. That's not really how it works. They come to Washington with ideas already. Congress is a deliberative place were compromise between differing views are hashed out. People learn too much process.
 

ivysaur12

Banned
AP gov't is great. That's the only political class I ever took in HS. Though I've been following politics obsessively since about 2006-2007ish. So it more reinforced what I had picked up.

It's too bad it isn't a required course. It was super helpful and can be a really fantastic entry point to government.
 

KingK

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Its not like the teachers know what they are talking about either. Even in college I've had some professors say some strange things.

My government/econ teacher in high school was actually really good. Easily one of the best teachers I've ever had.

On the other hand, our history teacher spent at least 40% of every class indoctrinating students with Rush Limbaugh talking points he heard on the way to work that morning and shoving religion down everyone's throat. He didn't think it was possible to have morals without religion, and when one of my friends told him he was an atheist, the teacher straight told him he was going to hell. His only redeeming feature was that he would at least let you argue with him and wouldn't get pissed if you did so. I had him my senior year as Obamacare was making its way through congress, and boy did I spend a lot of time debunking his shit that semester for the class lol.

edit: I'm jealous of you guys that had AP govt classes in high school. The only AP course my high school ever offered was AP senior English.
 
It's too bad it isn't a required course. It was super helpful and can be a really fantastic entry point to government.

AP gov is where I really discovered that political science and not history was where I belonged. I'm moving to DC soon so it definitely affected my life.
 
On the other hand, our history teacher spent at least 40% of every class indoctrinating students with Rush Limbaugh talking points he heard on the way to work that morning and shoving religion down everyone's throat. He didn't think it was possible to have morals without religion, and when one of my friends told him he was an atheist, the teacher straight told him he was going to hell. His only redeeming feature was that he would at least let you argue with him and wouldn't get pissed if you did so. I had him my senior year as Obamacare was making its way through congress, and boy did I spend a lot of time debunking his shit that semester for the class lol.

edit: I'm jealous of you guys that had AP govt classes in high school. The only AP course my high school ever offered was AP senior English.

Its actually one thing I love Jeb Bush for. The state of Florida pays for all AP tests. This greatly expanded the opportunities for local districts to have more AP classes. I entered college with more than a year's credit. (The problem becomes since other classes aren't funded only those with great parents and in good schools can take advantage of them and it lead to a lot of honors courses getting cut leaving only regular and AP)
 
My non-AP high school government class was pretty good. Since it was a mandatory senior class, it did have higher standards. Also, mandatory volunteer work.

But the more in-depth stuff I became passionate about because of college.
 
But the more in-depth stuff I became passionate about because of college.
Many of my college classes in domestic politics felt more like HS than AP. My teachers in HS were that good.

Of course Carville and Harris Perry were amazing exceptions. Though Carville himself repeated the same things throughout the semesters his guests were awesome.
 
I took AP Gov but I knew everything in it for the most part before because my dad taught me it all on his own. Funny, he hasn't voted since 1992 but he sure likes to talk about it, especially historically.

I remember doing one of those fake Congress Committee/Debate things over a weekend at the Hilton by LAX. I went because of a girl I liked but in the end I think me and a couple dudes spent the entire time fucking around and messing with other delegations. So, pretty much like the real Congress.

That sucks that your HS had shit for AP, KingK. I am so glad i had them available because I'd have gone absolutely insane without them. I had to take a couple remedial classes and I nearly blew my head off.
 

T'Zariah

Banned
My AP government teacher was a good dude, no doubt, but goddamn if that class wasn't Republican/Conservative indoctrination 101.

Then again...it was South Carolina.

:(
 
My government/econ teacher in high school was actually really good. Easily one of the best teachers I've ever had.

On the other hand, our history teacher spent at least 40% of every class indoctrinating students with Rush Limbaugh talking points he heard on the way to work that morning and shoving religion down everyone's throat. He didn't think it was possible to have morals without religion, and when one of my friends told him he was an atheist, the teacher straight told him he was going to hell. His only redeeming feature was that he would at least let you argue with him and wouldn't get pissed if you did so. I had him my senior year as Obamacare was making its way through congress, and boy did I spend a lot of time debunking his shit that semester for the class lol.

edit: I'm jealous of you guys that had AP govt classes in high school. The only AP course my high school ever offered was AP senior English.

Where did you go to school?
 

Wilsongt

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My AP government teacher was a good dude, no doubt, but goddamn if that class wasn't Republican/Conservative indoctrination 101.

Then again...it was South Carolina.

:(

AP Gov wasn't offered at my school. However, most of my high school teachers I can across were pretty liberal, so I was fortunate. I was able to avoid the conservative indoctrination growing up. My family members are hardcore democrats.
 

The Technomancer

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I had AP Gov in high-school as well, great class. The teacher kept it very non-partisan and focused on the way the government functioned. First day of class someone asked him who he voted for and he said he'd tell us at the end of the semester, last day of class he revealed he votes Democrat. Smart move.
 

ivysaur12

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I had AP Gov in high-school as well, great class. The teacher kept it very non-partisan and focused on the way the government functioned. First day of class someone asked him who he voted for and he said he'd tell us at the end of the semester, last day of class he revealed he votes Democrat. Smart move.

Ours did that too. Also a Democrat.
 

KingK

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I had AP Gov in high-school as well, great class. The teacher kept it very non-partisan and focused on the way the government functioned. First day of class someone asked him who he voted for and he said he'd tell us at the end of the semester, last day of class he revealed he votes Democrat. Smart move.

My govt teacher never told the class how he voted, and did an excellent job of keeping the class non-partisan. I did frequently talk to him about politics after class though and he did tell me that, while he had voted Republican before, he usually votes Democrat. From the conversations I had with him he seemed like a moderate/Blue Dog Democrat. Centrist on most issues, and really liberal on a few.
 
But everyone told me that Republicans were the Christian party in this country! [/sarcasm]


AP gov is where I really discovered that political science and not history was where I belonged.
I wish my high school had had an AP Gov...

Well, what if I don't want to get married?!
Then you'll die a poor, childless spinster who contributed nothing to society, of course. :p
 

Wilsongt

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Oh, what do you know? States that accept and are implementing the ACA see reduced premiums, while states that don't see increased premiums. Who'd have thunk?

Where Obamacare Premiums Will Soar


Get ready to shell out more money for individual health insurance under Obamacare ... in some states, that is.

While many residents in New York and California may see sizable decreases in their premiums, Americans in many places could face significant increases if they buy insurance through state-based exchanges next year.

That's because these people live in states where insurers were allowed to sell bare-bones plans and exclude the sick, which has kept costs down. Under Obamacare, insurers must offer a package of essential benefits -- including maternity, mental health and medications -- and must cover all who apply. But more comprehensive coverage may lead to more expensive insurance plans.

Under Obamacare, all Americans must have insurance coverage starting in 2014 or face penalties of $95 or 1% of family income, whichever is greater. Enrollment in the exchanges begins October 1, with coverage kicking in in January. Plans will come in four tiers, ranging from bronze to platinum.

Some lightly regulated states, including Indiana, Ohio, Florida and South Carolina, have recently released preliminary rate information highlighting steep price increases. Unlike the blue states of California and New York, these are Republican-led states that have strongly opposed the Affordable Care Act, as Obamacare is officially known.

Related: I'm signing up for Obamacare

Comparing this year's and next year's plans isn't easy because the structure of the plans is so different. Each state comes up with its own method.

Behind the numbers in 3 key states. In Florida, for instance, officials constructed a hypothetical silver-level plan based on the offerings available today. Then they looked at how the cost of that plan compares to the average silver plan that will be available on the exchange. Florida found premiums will rise between 7.6% and 58.8%, depending on the insurer. The average increase would be 35%.

The main driver of the premium increases is the Obamacare mandate that coverage be offered to everyone, said Kevin McCarty, Florida's insurance commissioner. There are just short of a million enrollees in the individual market in Florida, while 3.8 million are uninsured. The state does not allow new entrants into a "high-risk pool," which provides coverage to the sick.

"People who are in their 50s with high blood pressure have no coverage options," he said.

Ohio, meanwhile, said there would be an average increase of 41% by comparing a trade association's report of premiums for all plans available today with the average premium expected on the exchange.

Indiana officials said prices would rise an average of 72%. But they were looking at the cost of providing care, not actual premiums.


All of these rate hikes must still be reviewed by the federal government and do not take into account the fact that Americans with incomes up to $45,960 for an individual and $94,200 for a family of four will be eligible for federal subsidies.

So why aren't there such big premium increases in other states? New York, for example, already required that insurers provide comprehensive coverage to all who apply. Rates there could fall by half since the pool will expand to include many younger, healthier residents under Obamacare. But New York is more the exception than the rule, experts said.

Rate hikes depend on age and gender. To give consumers a better idea of how premiums will change, CNNMoney took a look at the plans provided by one insurer: Physicians Health Plan of Northern Indiana.

Our analysis found that 21-year-old men will pay a lot more for an exchange plan, but 42-year-old women and 62-year-old men will shell out less for a silver-level plan that comes with a $2,500 deductible and a roughly $25 co-pay for office visits.

Under this scenario, a young man's monthly rate will rise to $214 on the exchange next year, up 63% from today. The woman, however, will pay $284, a drop of more than 7%, while the older man will be charged $615, a nearly 6% decrease. This is because Obamacare requires that women pay the same amount as men and does not allow insurers to charge older participants more than three times the young.

Physicians Health expects most enrollees to sign up for bronze or silver plans, which have lower monthly premiums but carry higher deductibles and co-pays, according to Jim Brunnemer, the insurer's chief financial officer. Today, its members typically buy high deductible plans.

While premiums may go up in these states, Obamacare advocates say people will receive more comprehensive coverage. Also, the law limits the amount people have to pay out-of-pocket for deductibles and co-pays to $6,350 in 2014.

"A lot of people will get more for their money," said Sarah Lueck, senior policy analyst for the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities. "Even people paying a higher rate will benefit. It will be a big change in most states."

Thanks, Obama.

Just because I am a male, 28, and have three conditions where I need to see a specialist, my rates will most likely increase. My insurance is shitty as it is.
 
Oh, what do you know? States that accept and are implementing the ACA see reduced premiums, while states that don't see increased premiums. Who'd have thunk?

Where Obamacare Premiums Will Soar




Thanks, Obama.

Just because I am a male, 28, and have three conditions where I need to see a specialist, my rates will most likely increase. My insurance is shitty as it is.

Like most shitty articles about "Obamacare" premiums, this ignores the fact that federal subsidies will be available and that the federal government will have to review and approve of the rate hikes.

I'm continually amazed at the horrendous coverage of health care reform by news outlets.
 

gcubed

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It's not. It's directly aimed at red states for being stupid and shitty.

would your price really go up though? I would think that the people most impacted would be people with catastrophic coverage only, as the minimum required coverages will go up
 
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