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[NYCmetsfan]

I really can't believe the GOP is doing this. I really thought they'd avoid this.

 

[Gotchaye]

Costa's doing good work here. It's not all that surprising, I guess, since the party establishment doesn't want a shutdown and NR is often pretty pro-establishment, but this is decent reporting.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Remember when the John Birch Society suggested Ike was a Manchurian Candidate for the Communists?

 

[kingkitty]

lol who are these democrats voting to delay Obamacare.

 

[thepotatoman]

Wait are they voting on the Military Pay then the CR? Is there debate in between?



They're seriously doing this. #collectmytrash

I apparently keep being completely wrong. I heard about the Hastert Rule before, but never really thought much about it.

This situation is a lesson to me how important that rule is. I first thought Boehner only needed 17 out of 233 republicans to join him to avoid shutdown. Turns out he needs 117.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Costa's doing good work here. It's not all that surprising, I guess, since the party establishment doesn't want a shutdown and NR is often pretty pro-establishment, but this is decent reporting.

Agreed. He just noted something we've discussed before

Boehner's talent as speaker is 'aw shucks' style that creates light-hrtd vibe w/ members; whipping ability, tho, is limtd, esp during crisis

He undoubtedly had everyone excited today...but right now things are looking like a circus. And if the CR passes tonight, in a week when he starts the retreat a lot of members will be furious.

Ultimately I think this was the plan though. His job is more secure if he falls on his sword after a tough battle. Boehner isn't dumb, he no doubt realizes this farce will end in failure. But at least his guys will be able to say he fought the good fight.

 

[zero shift]

I really can't believe the GOP is doing this. I really thought they'd avoid this.

The GOP can't tame their crazy side. The Tea Party doesn't give a fuck, they will do almost anything to reach their goals of a rebirth of Pinochet's Chile with some Jesus sprinkled on top.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

lol who are these democrats voting to delay Obamacare.

Probably the Utah rep at minimum.

I think people are missing how much this congress is a radical change from precedent. This is a amazingly radical change in budgeting and process in the house. -

 

[GaimeGuy]

lol who are these democrats voting to delay Obamacare.

republicans who happen to be pro-choice.

 

[PhoenixDark]

Heritage is opposed to the medical device tax defund, and also seems to not support an Obamacare delay
http://heritageaction.com/press-releases/heritage-action-statement-on-houses-obamacare-delay/

Madness. I think the House is going to pass the Obamacare delay, but if they don't I might never stop laughing.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Heritage is opposed to the medical device tax defund, and also seems to not support an Obamacare delay
http://heritageaction.com/press-releases/heritage-action-statement-on-houses-obamacare-delay/

Madness. I think the House is going to pass the Obamacare delay, but if they don't I might never stop laughing.

This really is a war for their soul.

 

[cartoon_soldier]

Remember how Obama said he would cut the deficit by half in 4 years. It look a bit longer...but it has happened. Not that it was the right thing to do, but still...
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/deficit-falling-falling-falling

 

[NYCmetsfan]

"@sahilkapur: 248-174, House votes to repeal Obamacare's medical device tax in the CR. It'd raise the deficit by $29 billion."

#deficit#deficit#deficit

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

republicans who happen to be pro-choice.

As if those Democrats are pro-choice lol.

 

[Link]

Disgusting that they're separating out military personnel from everyone else. How much more transparent can you get?

 

[Aaron Strife]

Remember how Obama said he would cut the deficit by half in 4 years. It look a bit longer...but it has happened. Not that it was the right thing to do, but still...
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/deficit-falling-falling-falling

A big reason the deficit is falling is because the economy is improving, which means the government is getting more tax receipts and spending less on unemployment/welfare. Not to say that Obama hasn't had a hand in cutting the deficit with shit like the sequester, but there are positive indicators for the deficit dropping.

 

[zero shift]

Remember how Obama said he would cut the deficit by half in 4 years. It look a bit longer...but it has happened. Not that it was the right thing to do, but still...
http://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2013/09/deficit-falling-falling-falling

Such a pointless measurement.

 

[PhoenixDark]

@jamiedupree 5m
House votes 231-192 in favor of one year delay in the Obama health law; 2 Dems voted Yes, 2 GOP voted No

yup

 

[Aaron Strife]

Just in case anyone forgot why Republicans want to repeal Obamacare

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/the-1993-kristol-memo-on-defeating-health-care-reform

 

[NYCmetsfan]

yup

Well...

Mayor gray better break the law.

 

[rocketknight]

This is hilarious. CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEWSROOM'S TAKE.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Well...

Mayor gray better break the law.

DC has enough funds in reserve for one pay period, so the government can shut down for 2 weeks without it being a problem afaik

 

[thepotatoman]

Probably the Utah rep at minimum.

I think people are missing how much this congress is a radical change from precedent. This is a amazingly radical change in budgeting and process in the house. -

No kidding. This is why it's so important for the dems to hold steadfast and not allow even the smallest of compromise now, even if it's one they're willing to give, and for the American public to direct their anger in the right direction.

If Republicans come out of this with nothing to show but a lower approval rating, then this won't happen again. If they do find some sort of gain, then our government has just became much more unstable.

On the other side, I think Republicans might see this as the last stand against Obamacare, so who knows, maybe this one will be a record breaking doozy. I don't know what to expect anymore if Boehner has completely lost control.

Maybe the mint should start getting ready to print that trillion dollar coin. We might need it if republicans continue like this into the debt ceiling.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

DC has enough funds in reserve for one pay period, so the government can shut down for 2 weeks without it being a problem afaik

My understanding is even with their funds they can't spend them without authorizing legislation.

 

[Link]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans wanted to attach a repeal of the 13th Amendment to the next CR.

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

My understanding is even with their funds they can't spend them without authorizing legislation.

The reserve fund has already been properly appropriated by Congress and is therefore available for use by the District, or so the DC Attorney General argues

Even Issa says Congress wouldn't pursue any charges against DC should it use its reserve funds to keep personnel on

Still ridiculous that it has to use the reserve fund though

 

[Y2Kev]

At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if Republicans wanted to attach a repeal of the 13th Amendment to the next CR.

Mississippi has been passing one year delays of the 13th amendment taking effect in Mississippi every year since 1863.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

The reserve fund has already been properly appropriated by Congress and is therefore available for use by the District, or so the DC Attorney General argues

Even Issa says Congress wouldn't pursue any charges against DC should it use its reserve funds to keep personnel on

Still ridiculous that it has to use the reserve fund though

Ok that makes me feel a hit better but yeah this whole charade is sad

 

[Carpe Libertatem]

Ok that makes me feel a hit better but yeah this whole charade is sad

If nothing else, it seems like it could be a good opportunity to show the country why D.C. should get statehood! :lol

 

[NYCmetsfan]

If nothing else, it seems like it could be a good opportunity to show the country why D.C. should get statehood! :lol

 

[ClassyPenguin]

Such a pointless measurement.

Stephanie Kelton once said how it's more disappointing and damaging to see Democrats as deficit hawks than Republicans.

 

[freenudemacusers]

Disgusting that they're separating out military personnel from everyone else. How much more transparent can you get?

I depend on military pay and I think it's gross. This shit is annoying EVERY TIME it happens.

 

[kingkitty]

Can't wait to see the senate reject the house bill tomorrow.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Can't wait to see the senate reject the house bill tomorrow.

Why are the dems shutting down the government?

 

[kingkitty]

Why are the dems shutting down the government?

They're unwilling to compromise!

 

[jamesinclair]

Why are the dems shutting down the government?

Obama is a traitor he wants to not pay our military men

 

[PhoenixDark]

@sahilkapur 48s

Senate Ds will strike down tonight's amdmts and ping-pong the CR back. What'll House Rs do then? Per dozens of convos, they have no idea.

He also said that GOP leadership has not been discussing the Vitter amendment, which some commentators speculated could be the last ditch try.

 

[rocketknight]

lol

 

[RustyNails]

Boehner has proven himself to be utterly impotent in the face of teaparty. Is this the legacy he wants to take with him?

 

[Black Republican]

Matheson and McIntyre dems voted with gop

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I'm in a bar with grijalva, lol

 

[GhaleonEB]

Boehner has proven himself to be utterly impotent in the face of teaparty. Is this the legacy he wants to take with him?

It's sad. The tail is wagging the dog, and he's helping it happen.

 

[NihonTiger90]

Boehner's archetypical of the kind of Republicans that come from solid R districts around here: Township officials or businesspeople getting to congressional office and then working their way up to a point at which they become exposed as unable to do their job.

Just took Boehner a lot, lot longer to get to that point.

 

[ClassyPenguin]

I'm in a bar with grijalva, lol

And posting on gaf? For shame.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

It's sad. The tail is wagging the dog, and he's helping it happen.

His legacy is he never was voted out

And posting on gaf? For shame.

What am I supposed to do, post selfies?

 

[ClassyPenguin]

There is a difference between being "okay with" and thinking health insurance should cover it.

Which is frustrating since contraception and birth control are a medical issue.

 

[ivysaur12]

Boehner has proven himself to be utterly impotent in the face of teaparty. Is this the legacy he wants to take with him?

He's incapable of doing his job. He's incapable of whipping the Tea Party crazies into shape because of his (sometimes flimsy) adherence to the Hastert Rule.

He's a horrible speaker, but he's the wrong man to lead this Republican caucus. I'm just not sure if there is one in office right now who could. It's certainly not Cantor.

 

[FyreWulff]

For some reason I missed the Hastert Rule being a thing. I dunno, it feels like that shit should be illegal

 

[Oblivion]

Costa's doing good work here. It's not all that surprising, I guess, since the party establishment doesn't want a shutdown and NR is often pretty pro-establishment, but this is decent reporting.

Costa is weird. He's an editor for the NRO, but he's on MSNBC all the time and hearing him speak, you would never think the dude's even a Republican, let alone one who works for one of the biggest right-wing news outlets.

 

[Oblivion]

You guys see SNL?

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/breaking...enberg-on-lack-of-obamacare-in-snl-cold-open/

Was pretty decent. But I also mention it cause of another important reason. This was the first time they parodied Ted Cruz, and his portrayal means that he's fucked up any chances of being president. Or at the very least, being taken "seriously" a la Paul Ryan.