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JetBlackPanda
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I should have been more clear this is from personal experience with co-workers, friends and other online message board I frequent.
nationally has there been any poles within the last 24 hours ??
PhoenixDark
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http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewi...ecorded-while-talking-shutdown-strategy-video
He's probably right. Refusing to negotiate doesn't seem like it's an effective, poll tested position. Neither is republicans shutting down the government, but I believe their messaging seems effective. Which is why I was shocked Boehner let them put contraceptive bullshit into their earlier CR; it fucks their entire message.
Latest CBS poll has GOP only being blamed more than Obama by 9 points. If this prolongs, that may decrease.
Personally I'm starting to believe we'll see some type of two sided cave. Republicans give up on Obamacare, democrats give up entitlement cuts. Which...is a ridiculous notion of compromise but ultimately I'm beginning to think republicans might "win" this. I think Boehner's last minute grand bargain idea was specifically meant to distract Obama, who also wants a grand bargain.
JetBlackPanda
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I suppose this is true, Like I said its personal experience and these are people that were blaming their own party to start but have slipped over the last 48 hours.. due to war vets.. how stupid can people be?
Please stop encouraging Diablos.
Looks like it hasn't changed.
The much, much larger concern I'm having is that apparently the federal exchange is completely failing to enroll anybody. Thankfully, the shutdown bought some time, and people do give a certain amount of leeway to new web services. But if they can't get the exchange working in the next week, it's going to be pretty painful.
Note that the state-run exchanges have been successful -- it's specifically the fed exchange that has apparently had near-zero conversion rates.
Note that the state-run exchanges have been successful -- it's specifically the fed exchange that has apparently had near-zero conversion rates.
Fenderputty
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The polling is whatever, the most depressing thing I've read is that the tea party faction causing all this doesn't care about money or Wall Street. The one thing I was hoping would reign these assholes in.
It is pretty ironic that the site doesn't work right. Is there any way they can buy more servers/bandwidth despite the Government being shut down? They desperately need it.
Aaron Strife
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I guess it's more "moderate" (ha) republicans like Peter King whose voting records are the same as any teabagger.
Kind of like how Erik Paulsen and John Kline are seen as moderates here. They are just as bad as Bachmann. The only difference is they don't talk a lot.
PhoenixDark
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It's not just the traffic/servers, the site is poorly designed. As I said in the ACA thread, the security question page doesn't even let you select a security question; you have to type in 3 answers to get it to work, but I'm noticing many people are just giving up instead of experimenting. That has nothing to do with traffic.
Setting up a decent website shouldn't be hard in 2013. This is like Nintendo levels of incompetence in relation to modern expectations/tech.
fwiw, yesterday in a restaurant I heard a bunch of seniors talking about how they don't like Obamacare but think the Republicans are crazy for stopping budgetary measures from coming to light every single time. They seemed pretty sharp for their age, stating we should see how the law works before proposing changes, etc., and the Republicans have no spine.
I got to do the security questions yesterday. I think it has to do with traffic and where the page code is getting that dropdown list from (it must be generated by some process on another part of the server or something, I have no idea)
The problem is, when I enrolled, it had an error when taking the final step -- connecting to a server for my specific classification for health insurance options. The portal was borked.
It works fine in iOS. It seems the site is designed by/for apple users (dumb)
There's obviously a traffic issue as well cos the page takes so long to load the next page. They really should have anticipated the media and GOP haters logging on in droves as well (looking for things to criticize)
NullPointer
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More of this, please.
Build a monument to the blind hubris and irrationality of the Republican party, for all to see, even if only a temporary one.
The stuff I read said that the security questions weren't loading due to traffic. It's honestly not that straightforward to identify your stress points without extensive testing, so it's probably safe to assume nearly anything that looks unfinished is traffic-related.
But it would've been nice to have done extensive testing....
This is what happens when you let your web team go to work for Upworthy.
RustyNails
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CNN: Obama tells crowd in Maryland "Only one way out. It's my way."
Fuck yeah Mr. President.
Fuck yeah Mr. President.
PhoenixDark
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^ I'm sure that will go over well with people...
I've seen discussion over it being a coding issue moreso than traffic.
Regardless it's an unforced error at the worst possible time. I've seen a couple stories about people finding good rates but overall the site's coverage has been rather negative. You can't fuck up the easy stuff.
And the rate/price/etc experiences of people in the ACA thread are far from reassuring.
I've seen discussion over it being a coding issue moreso than traffic.
Regardless it's an unforced error at the worst possible time. I've seen a couple stories about people finding good rates but overall the site's coverage has been rather negative. You can't fuck up the easy stuff.
And the rate/price/etc experiences of people in the ACA thread are far from reassuring.
Thatonemoor
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If true that won't end well.
RustyNails
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2nd term Obama doesnt give a shit about independents. Thats refreshing.
TacticalFox88
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Honestly, he really shouldn't give two fucks. He's a second term president and he's dealing with a bunch of complete assholes. Fuck them.
but it makes them look like batman villains
Ugh...
Thatonemoor
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Yeah this is a political game for popularity right now really.
They just see this as a messaging victory. There's no way the shutdown ends before the debt ceiling.
This is probably the best way to put it.
The earliest it'll end is Monday I think, people will start to notice the pain more this weekend.
RustyNails
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Thats right. And libs/dems need fire under their asses and not lube themselves and bend over. Screw what others think. Good prepwork for 2014 elections too.
Nazgul_Hunter
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Oh Drudge.
Apparently some phone number associated with the ACA can spell FUCKYO if you ignore that there's a 1 in the number.
Apparently some phone number associated with the ACA can spell FUCKYO if you ignore that there's a 1 in the number.
I feel the GOP needs to bow out of the CR fight now and retool cos they will be hammered as we approach the debt ceiling..
PhoenixDark
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http://www.nytimes.com/news/fiscal-...assurances-on-default/?smid=tw-thecaucus&_r=0
Called it. The shut down fight is mainly happening because he already knows he will have to cave on the debt ceiling. He wants that to be the first cave, not the second, to save his job.
The Librarian
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WSJ reporting that some democrats are endorsing a repeal of the medical device tax in exchange for an end of the shutdown.. http://stream.wsj.com/story/the-fiscal-cliff/SS-2-87944/
Way to undermine the leadership's bargaining position.
Way to undermine the leadership's bargaining position.
Yeah red-state dems and folks with device makers in their state. If it does happen, it won't be in the context of the CR or debt-ceiling
Honestly, if your prior is that the GOP has no conceivable long-term option except for passing a clean CR and a debt ceiling, and your goal is to win a political victory over them rather than to build a consensus for working together, then being aggressive is probably the right move. Sure, you might suffer a temporary loss from people thinking you won't compromise, but when they eventually cave and you win, you'll get a huge boost from people thinking you were STRONG, and the other side will have serious morale problems. It's a little more cynical than Obama usually is. It's about as cynical as Clinton was, though!
jamesinclair
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I still see the democrats folding.
They've folded every time on everything for well over a decade now.
Obama needs to start tightening the rope. Cut tsa staffing by 5% a day.
The Librarian
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Carol, youre beautiful but you need to be honest as well, Rokita finally said, eliciting an eyebrow raise from Costello.
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/10/03/2725901/todd-rokita-mansplains-to-carol-costello/
http://thinkprogress.org/media/2013/10/03/2725901/todd-rokita-mansplains-to-carol-costello/
I saw that earlier, he is so lucky that he wasn't in that studio. What a total D-bag.
Well, that says to me that the shutdown will last until the debt ceiling vote. Both will end then.
I have no problem with getting rid of the device tax, just not for a CR or Debt Limit raise. Pass the clean bills and then negotiate... and I'm looking at you GOP, since you refuse to go to conference with the Senate on their budget.
And yet it's on the front page of the Daily Caller, at the same time that Eric Cantor's "leaked memo" about how Obama is refusing to negotiate hits National Review. And McConnell goes out of his way to say that Obama is privately as well as publicly resisting negotiation.
Don't kid yourselves. This is a messaging effort. McConnell even SAYS he's wired. You don't think he would have stopped Rand if he started talking about the Civil Rights Act?
It's a setup. They think it makes them look good. Which might be the saddest part, but then, it's Rand and McConnell.
PhoenixDark
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I'd keep the medical device tax but shitcan the employer mandate. But not for a clean CR - I'd agree to it later during budget negotiations.
lmao, so Obama didn't take the bait afterall. Reassuring. Boehner has 3 years of evidence that he can't get his caucus to agree to one cent of revenue, that's not going to magically change now. It's far better to put the onus on him to come up with some general, sensible framework for a deal than rely on solely his word. Because when his word fails and talks break down the WH gets hit with the "Obama can't make a deal/why can't Obama do x" stick from the establishment media/Bob Woodward.
http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/360254/re-grand-bargain-robert-costa
lmao, so Obama didn't take the bait afterall. Reassuring. Boehner has 3 years of evidence that he can't get his caucus to agree to one cent of revenue, that's not going to magically change now. It's far better to put the onus on him to come up with some general, sensible framework for a deal than rely on solely his word. Because when his word fails and talks break down the WH gets hit with the "Obama can't make a deal/why can't Obama do x" stick from the establishment media/Bob Woodward.
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