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PoliGAF 2013 |OT2| Worth 77% of OT1

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thepotatoman

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I was just thinking, what if Boehner waits until the last second to pass a clean debt ceiling raise, and Cruz does his faux filibuster thing to delay it for a day, forcing us to hit the debt limit?
 
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ridethepiggy

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Sen. Lindsey Graham is angry. He’s frustrated. He’s upset. In his own words, he’s “very dangerous.”

With the government shutdown now in its 12th day, and a possible U.S. debt default looming on Oct. 17, the veteran Republican was in the mood to lash out at everyone Saturday. President Barack Obama, House Republicans, Senate Democrats, Senate Republicans — they were all the target of Graham’s ire.

“The president is a pathetic leader. He’s only engaged in the last couple of days,” Graham said after the Senate blocked action on a Democratic plan for a “clean” debt-ceiling increase through 2014. “Every time you get close to getting a deal over here with our Democratic friends, they move the ball because some poll comes out. Our friends in the House apparently can’t muster the votes to send something over here to open up the government. So it’s dysfunction at every level.”

But the 58-year-old Graham wasn’t through venting yet. “You can blame us [Republicans], we’ve overplayed our hand, that’s for damn sure,” Graham said. “But their response, where the president and [Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid] basically shutting everybody out, and when you try to negotiate, they keep changing the terms of the deal … it’s very frustrating.”

“This is a very frustrated Lindsey Graham,” he added. “Which is a very dangerous thing.”

The South Carolina Republican, who is up for reelection next year, warned that the twin government shutdown-debt ceiling fight “has gotten to be a real crisis for the country. But everybody keeps changing their position based on politics.”

Graham was pleased that Reid and Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) had taken over the negotiations to solve the fiscal stalemate, but that development only came about because discussions between Obama and Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) had broken down Friday.

Graham was one of several Senate Republicans who made their way to Boehner’s office on Friday afternoon, where they warned the speaker that House Republicans should cut a deal with Obama or they would.

By Saturday afternoon, Graham suggested he may try to attach a version of Sen. David Vitter’s (R-La.) amendment ending health-care subsidies for lawmakers and congressional staffers to any Reid-McConnell agreement. Graham knows it’s a potential poison pill for any deal, but he is that unhappy right now.

“I am going to look at offering the Vitter language on anything that comes out of the Senate,” Graham told reporters. “If we’re going to screw up the whole country, we might as well throw ourselves in the mix.”

Graham had just come off the Senate floor where at least 15 senators huddled in bipartisan group discussing the current state of play and how to break the deadlock.

“There were how many, 15 people? There were 13 ideas,” Graham joked. “Two guys didn’t have an idea. They were the smart ones. They were the ones that kept their mouths shut.”

Graham then excused himself to go home and watch a football game.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...m-vents-frustrations-98226.html#ixzz2hXpWB9cc
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PhoenixDark

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thepotatoman said:
I was just thinking, what if Boehner waits until the last second to pass a clean debt ceiling raise, and Cruz does his faux filibuster thing to delay it for a day, forcing us to hit the debt limit?
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It wouldn't delay anything. The senate is going to pass their bill first and jam the House.
 
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pigeon

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I enjoyed this Politico quote:

politico said:
Each of the conferences is charting its own course to end the saga and evade a debt limit crisis on Oct. 17. But after two weeks of intraparty turmoil, neither side seems to trust the other about what the way out should look like. Senior senators describe little coordination between Republicans on each side of the Capitol on important decisions like spending levels and how long the government should be funded and the debt ceiling raised.

The lines are so crossed that GOP senators asked President Barack Obama during a White House meeting on Friday to fill them in on the House plan, senators attending the meeting said. They simply hadn’t seen it.
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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/...-government-shutdown-98209.html#ixzz2hXqcy6fs
 
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Crisco

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Hahahaha reading all those Graham quotes in Jon Stewart's southern belle voice made my day. What a piece of shit, I hope he has an aneurysm.
 
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Riki

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Thai said:
Reid has come out looking the best out of this,imo. Rigid spine. No folding. Obama's looking like he's got in itchy trigger finger on the fold-gun.
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Obama just wants people to get back to work and people to get their federal assistance back.
His position means that he's constantly hearing about people that suddenly can't feed their kids and that would be tough.
He doesn't want to fold, per say. He just wants this to end in the least painful way.
 
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Crisco

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Doc Holliday said:
Lol oh come on, afaik he doesn't have the power to cause aneurysms :)
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thepotatoman

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Riki said:
Obama just wants people to get back to work and people to get their federal assistance back.
His position means that he's constantly hearing about people that suddenly can't feed their kids and that would be tough.
He doesn't want to fold, per say. He just wants this to end in the least possible way.
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He just needs to remind himself that giving in would mean those kids will go hungry every 6 months whenever republicans need a hostage, and maybe even permanently if republicans someday demand a permanent end to such programs.
 
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Riki

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thepotatoman said:
He just needs to remind himself that giving in would mean those kids will go hungry every 6 months whenever republicans need a hostage, and maybe even permanently if republicans someday demand a permanent end to such programs.
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And I think that's a big reason why they are holding strong so far. Obama is just growing tired of it all. I don't think he'll make a concession here, though.
 
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thepotatoman

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GhaleonEB said:
Let's take things down a notch.
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For the record it was just a joke about the ridiculousness of a political government being run like that, along with some irony of the precedent change being not the one we expected. I wasn't trying to joke about the shooting of one man, though i guess it could have been seen like that.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.
 
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pigeon

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thepotatoman said:
Now there's a new political precedent I can get behind!
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Slightly more seriously, a move like that would actually put McConnell in a position of having to help Reid change the filibuster rules or let the country default, so I suspect he'd be none too happy with it. It would be another example of Cruz giving power to the Dems by fighting unwinnable fights. But Cruz has been pretty quiet on the debt limit so far.
 
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GhaleonEB

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thepotatoman said:
For the record it was just a joke about the ridiculousness of a political government being run like that. I wasn't trying to joke about the shooting of one man, though i guess it could have been seen like that.

Sorry, I should have been more clear.
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You were both clearly joking, but give how heated things can get, I'd rather we not start going down the road of even sarcastically wishing violence/death on politicians.
 
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East Lake

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Aneurysms are small potatoes. The end times are coming. Jesus will come down and smite the republicans at precisely 11:59 Wednesday night.
 
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ridethepiggy

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I'm glad Barack Hussein rejected this deal. It was a stupid deal... for us. And I hope we don't huddle up and pow-wow, "What else do we have to give him that he would accept?" What kind of deal-making is that? We're not the ones that want to raise the debt-level! He is! If he wants us to raise the debt-level against our wishes, he is the one that has to give us what we want to offset us doing what we don't want to do! He is the one that is supposed to be thinking, "What do I have to give these people to get them to give me what I want?" Not just sit around rejecting offers until it gets sweeter and sweeter. PUMA.
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My god these people are stupid.
 
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jamesinclair

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I didnt see this posted.

LOL at those of you who said it wouldnt happen.
Tourists returned to the Grand Canyon on Saturday after Arizona officials along with several counterparts agreed to a federal government plan to reopen national parks, which had been closed as a result of the partial government shutdown.

But the Obama administration's OK to reopen tourist areas across the nation came with a big caveat: States must foot the bill with money they likely won't see again.

So far, Utah, Colorado, South Dakota, Arizona and New York have agreed to open parks that had been closed since the beginning of the month. Meanwhile, governors in other states were trying to gauge what would be the bigger economic hit — paying to keep the areas operating or losing the tourist money that flows when the scenic attractions are open.

South Dakota and several corporate donors worked out a deal with the National Park Service to reopen Mount Rushmore beginning Monday. Republican Gov. Dennis Daugaard said it will cost $15,200 a day to pay the federal government to run the landmark in the Black Hills. He said he has wired four days' worth of donations.

In New York, Democratic Gov. Andrew Cuomo said his state will pay $61,600 a day to fully fund Park Service personnel and the Statue of Liberty will open Sunday.

In Arizona, Republican Gov. Jan Brewer balked at spending about $112,000 a day for a full reopening of the Grand Canyon. She said a partial reopening would be much cheaper while allowing tourists to visit and businesses to benefit.

"The daily cost difference is enormous, especially without assurances that Arizona will be reimbursed," said Andrew Wilder, a spokesman for Brewer.

In the end, Arizona agreed to pay the Park Service $651,000 to keep the Grand Canyon open for seven days. The $93,000 a day is less than the $112,000 the federal government had said was needed to fund park operations each day.

In additional to state money, cash provided by the town of Tusayan, just outside the South Rim entrance, and private business would also be included in the funding.

At this time of year, the Grand Canyon draws about 18,000 people a day who pump an estimated $1 million a day into the local economy.

The town of Tusayan, and area businesses have pledged $400,000 to help reopen the canyon, but Wilder said it was unclear if the Interior Department could accept private funds.

In Utah, federal workers rushed to reopen five national parks for 10 days after the state sent $1.67 million to the U.S. government with the hope of saving its lucrative tourist season.

Zion National Park superintendent Jock Whitworth said staff members began opening gates and removing barriers and expected to have the park fully operational Saturday.
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http://news.yahoo.com/grand-canyon-opens-state-fed-natl-parks-deal-194332701.html
 
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GillianSeed79

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TacticalFox88 said:
GOP Civil War is a go!

GO GO GO
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Does anyone else think/hope this could backfire spectacularly against the Tea Party? I know they have been good at putting up primary challengers and have money/support, but aren't they stupid trying to wage a full scale electoral war against the GOP? They've certainly got the backing of guys like Hannity and Rush, but I don't think it would be wise to try to go up against the RNC fundraising machine. Just think how amazing it would be if the RNC and guys like Rove, instead of going after Dems, spend the next election cycle in a full out electoral/fundraising war with the Tea Party, actively trying to de-seat them. I've always seen as the GOP/Tea Party partnership as more of a relationship of political expediency, i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it smacks of a little hubris if the Tea Party thinks they can launch a full-scale war against the current GOP.
Just imagine if guys like Rove took a scorched earth policy. It would make the swift-boating of John Kerry look like child's play.
 
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Averon

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GillianSeed79 said:
Does anyone else think/hope this could backfire spectacularly against the Tea Party? I know they have been good at putting up primary challengers and have money/support, but aren't they stupid trying to wage a full scale electoral war against the GOP? They've certainly got the backing of guys like Hannity and Rush, but I don't think it would be wise to try to go up against the RNC fundraising machine. Just think how amazing it would be if the RNC and guys like Rove, instead of going after Dems, spend the next election cycle in a full out electoral/fundraising war with the Tea Party, actively trying to de-seat them. I've always seen as the GOP/Tea Party partnership as more of a relationship of political expediency, i.e. the enemy of my enemy is my friend, but it smacks of a little hubris if the Tea Party thinks they can launch a full-scale war against the current GOP.
Just imagine if guys like Rove took a scorched earth policy. It would make the swift-boating of John Kerry look like child's play.
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I have to imagine the big money donors are regretting financing the tea party. The tea party were suppose shut up and take orders from the establishment, not threaten their financial livelihood with default. The Koch brothers and Dick Army's of the GOP will surely start to push back against the tea party now.
 
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TestOfTide

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the only problem would be if rove and te establishment are succesful in making the majority of republicans vote for a more mderate candidate by griling the tea party on the shutdown, hurricane sandy, vawa, etc.. christy woud be te perfect guy to do that. and then he could play moderate because limbaugh will back whoever is the best chance at a conservative win.

unlikely at this point though with such a big straw poll win for cruz.
 
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viciouskillersquirrel

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Hi guys, just subscribing to the thread. Looking forward to seeing the Tea Party sweep the south in 2014 and the Republicans pick up the Midwest while the Dems take control of the rest of the US. This is amazing.
 
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Aaron Strife

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viciouskillersquirrel said:
Hi guys, just subscribing to the thread. Looking forward to seeing the Tea Party sweep the south in 2014 and the Republicans pick up the Midwest while the Dems take control of the rest of the US. This is amazing.
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The Midwest? No way dude. Pretty much any part of that region that would go Republican already has. Minnesota, Illinois, Michigan, Wisconsin, and Pennsylvania are all pretty safe Dem states, at least in presidential elections. There were some oopsies in 2010 but those will come undone.
 
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