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Chichikov

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Ocarina of Time was amazing if you played it in 1998. Adjusted for inflation, I don't think there have been many games since then that evoked such a sense of wonder and adventure.
You realize that's because you were a kid, right?
I'm certain you have since figured out that what you actually felt was at best "wonder" and "adventure", pale imitations of the real thing.
It's not that "gaming lost it soul" or whatever, is that you've grown up, but that's cool, you can drink now, it's totally worth it.
And games are better now anyway.

Wait, what are we talking about?
NERDS GET OFF MY LAWN!
It's bad enough that you killed clovin.
 
Ocarina of Time was amazing if you played it in 1998. Adjusted for inflation, I don't think there have been many games since then that evoked such a sense of wonder and adventure.

the original metroid prime for me definitely did this as well. game blew my mind when i played it. fukkk nintendo for burying the metroid franchise. they will never have my dollars for that.

edit: i have officially talked more about gaming in OT than i have in the gaming forum for the past few years.
 

Gotchaye

Member
More like the idea of America is more important than anything else (like details or even ideals). It's an extremist US vs THEM mindset. If you're against "America", you're a traitor and deserve the worst. It doesn't matter if delivering this divine punishment means enacting totalitarian policies.

This fits what I see, at least.

My crazy conservative friend dreams of the day when his political opponents will all be sent to the mines. He's pro- "small government", but his ideal welfare system involves welfare only for people who are incapable of working and an incredibly large and intrusive government thug squad that goes around making absolutely sure that everyone on welfare is handicapped. He wants the government to help as few people as morally possible, and he's willing to have a huge (and expensive) government in order to make sure that nobody gets something nice that they don't deserve. He has a tendency to talk about everything good as "conservative" and everything bad as "liberal" (the war on drugs is liberal, for example).

His views on various issues sometimes change from day to day based on what sorts of attitudes he's primed to think about as (more or less) "American". Sometimes the bankers should all be executed, but sometimes taxes are too damn high and we're punishing success. Talking to him about the EU is always entertaining. European governments are pansy-ass socialists and the Muslims will take over someday soon, obviously, but people protesting what their governments are doing (anti-austerity protesters, for example) are likewise pansy-ass socialists. He hates how European governments coddle protesters instead of, basically, mowing them down, and he hates how the protesters are refusing to rise up in actual armed revolt. I get the strong impression that the first side to start the mass killing would thereby prove the worthiness of their cause.
 
the original metroid prime for me definitely did this as well. game blew my mind when i played it. fukkk nintendo for burying the metroid franchise. they will never have my dollars for that.

edit: i have officially talked more about gaming in OT than i have in the gaming forum for the past few years.

Yeah, Metroid Prime was another fantastic game. Probably in my top 10 all time.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
You realize that's because you were a kid, right?
I'm certain you have since figured out that what you actually felt was at best "wonder" and "adventure", pale imitations of the real thing.
It's not that "gaming lost it soul" or whatever, is that you've grown up, but that's cool, you can drink now, it's totally worth it.
And games are better now anyway.

Not really fair to say. No one would claim something like say, Sonic 360 was better any of the genesis Sonics. Nostalgia has an important role, for sure, but it's doesn't mean there aren't other more legitimate reasons to think something from the past is better than what's out right now.

Was PD banned for his "fuck with me, get banned" + awesome gif post?

Nope. It was something completely unrelated in the Black-gaf thread.
 
Not really fair to say. No one would claim something like say, Sonic 360 was better any of the genesis Sonics. Nostalgia has an important role, for sure, but it's doesn't mean there aren't other more legitimate reasons to think something from the past is better than what's out right now.

Ayo, Sonic 360 was pretty damn good. Better than those shit 2D games.
 

Chichikov

Member
Not really fair to say. No one would claim something like say, Sonic 360 was better any of the genesis Sonics. Nostalgia has an important role, for sure, but it's doesn't mean there aren't other more legitimate reasons to think something from the past is better than what's out right now.
Individually?
Sure, it's all personal anyway (and again, I think the fact that you're a kid factor into that more than any objective thing in the game).
But to say that games were better in the 90s than right now is crazy, craaaaaaaaaaaaaazy!

And Metroid Prime sucks.
 

Chichikov

Member
What happened to him?
He went to the forbidden zone.
He was a meanie to some nintendo fans on the gaming side.
He was saying the WiiU performing below market expectations or something, really, it was like Watergate times Iran Contra to the power of savings and loan crisis plus 10.
 

Gotchaye

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I don't think games back then were better than games now, generally, but I do think that the experience of playing something like Mario 64 or OoT when there was really nothing out there like them had some 'objective' advantages over the experience of playing technically superior modern games. It's a Wizard of Oz thing - it's a big deal when all of a sudden everything's in color.

But yeah, it's important to remember that kids enjoy some really shitty games, and they probably remember them more fondly for it later on. The things my cousin can sit and play turn my stomach.
 

Jackson50

Member
All right! OKAY! You have gone too far! No she is NOT!

And you misspelled her name, JERK!
Mine ears. I'm holding you personally responsible if they never recover.
I generally think that the point where US became a superpower was when they became the first economy in the world in late 1800's.
Anyhow USA's ascent had nothing to with social safety net and everything to do with demographics. Even the rise of influence in 40's and 50's was caused by finally spending some money on army and not the fear inducing power of Social Security
The late 19th Century is a premature designation of America's superpower status. The foundation for its eventual transformation was laid then. But the U.S. was only an incipient great power at that juncture. It had developed the largest national economy, although the British Empire as a whole remained larger, yet it had barely begun to translate its economic power into other mechanisms of influence. Conceptually, a superpower encompasses more dimensions than economics. A superpower also exhibits extensive political, martial, and cultural influence on a global scale. By the turn of the 20th Century, the U.S. had only recently asserted its power in international politics.

Demographics might have contributed to America's transformation to a superpower, but it was far from the sole factor. An array of factors, including America's geographic security, resource endowment, and investment in human capital, contributed to its ascension. I agree on the social safety net, however.
 
This fits what I see, at least.

My crazy conservative friend dreams of the day when his political opponents will all be sent to the mines. He's pro- "small government", but his ideal welfare system involves welfare only for people who are incapable of working and an incredibly large and intrusive government thug squad that goes around making absolutely sure that everyone on welfare is handicapped. He wants the government to help as few people as morally possible, and he's willing to have a huge (and expensive) government in order to make sure that nobody gets something nice that they don't deserve. He has a tendency to talk about everything good as "conservative" and everything bad as "liberal" (the war on drugs is liberal, for example).

His views on various issues sometimes change from day to day based on what sorts of attitudes he's primed to think about as (more or less) "American". Sometimes the bankers should all be executed, but sometimes taxes are too damn high and we're punishing success. Talking to him about the EU is always entertaining. European governments are pansy-ass socialists and the Muslims will take over someday soon, obviously, but people protesting what their governments are doing (anti-austerity protesters, for example) are likewise pansy-ass socialists. He hates how European governments coddle protesters instead of, basically, mowing them down, and he hates how the protesters are refusing to rise up in actual armed revolt. I get the strong impression that the first side to start the mass killing would thereby prove the worthiness of their cause.
He sounds like a child.
 

bomma_man

Member
Someone needs to make a decent political sim game (there was that one... Revolution? But I heard it was shit). It would be like Tommy Carcetti: The Game.


Majora's Mask is the greatest game of all time
 

Gotchaye

Member
He sounds like a child.

Oh yes. His views are endlessly amusing to the rest of the office. But he's been extremely valuable to me for the insight he's provided into the other crazies on the right. I wouldn't otherwise have the chance to sit down and talk for an hour to one of these people about whatever. Plus he doesn't start shouting or anything.
 
Ocarina of Time was amazing if you played it in 1998. Adjusted for inflation, I don't think there have been many games since then that evoked such a sense of wonder and adventure.

Word. Just this conversation has evoked some great memories of the game. What a time that was. Is Dax banned yet?
 

Link

The Autumn Wind
According to my calculations, Dax was 5 when Ocarina of Time came out. It doesn't excuse her, but I can understand why she's wrong.
 

Oblivion

Fetishing muscular manly men in skintight hosery
I'll tell you that Obama's not gonna be the only one with an enemy's list before the day is over.
 
CoffeeJanitor said:
Ocarina of time has aged like poo

That's all I've got to add here

Good thing we have this then

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Mike M

Nick N
Man, even at the time I wasn't hot on OoT. I recognize it's place of importance in video game history and it did have some amazing high notes, but it was alao the birthplace of some terrible conventions that plague the series to this day.

I also hated the hugely empty and boring Hyrule Field, the character models that ranged from sorta not terrible at best to outright repulsive, the worthless monetary system, the kick-in-the nuts reward for getting all the gold Skulltulas. There was a huge amount that was just plain bad.
 
According to my calculations, Dax was 5 when Ocarina of Time came out. It doesn't excuse her, but I can understand why she's wrong.
My son is 9 and loves Zelda so there is really just something wrong with Dax.
I don't think I had a Nintendo until 2000, but the game I played most on that system was Donkey Kong 64.
Fucking this. Amazing game, Dax is an entitled punk. :p

Of course I'm an entitled punk! I voted for Obama!
 

RDreamer

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I once played Ocarina of Time. It was boring so I turned it off and never touched it again.

Popping back in to say I agree with Dax.

Only Zelda I really got into was Link's Awakening. I tried so hard to get into the other ones and just couldn't.
 
I hope that's entirely relative.

Games I remember playing on N64:
1. Super Mario 64
2. Donkey Kong 64
3. Snowboard Kids 2
4. Pokemon Snap
5. Pokemon Stadium 1 and 2

I think that's it? Out of all of those it was DK64 the most. And I had a gameboy where practically the only games I played were Pokemon.
 
i actually didn't play OoT when it came out, i played it for the first time as a wind waker preorder bonus.

that said, i find WW to be a better game than OoT, even despite some major pacing flaws.
 
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