Note for clarity: this is not about changing views over time, this is modern people being asked how racism has changed over time.
So did I read this right, whites are incresingly of the view that anti-white racism is on the uptick?
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So did I read this right, whites are incresingly of the view that anti-white racism is on the uptick?
To buy the votes of Blue Dogs.
WayneMorse
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Obama is the world's worst negotiator and blue dog Democrats thought that getting rid of the public option would save them in 2010.
I love how Blanche Lincoln thought she could score brownie points for re-election by helping to kill off the public option and still lost by 20%, that was the only good thing to come out of 2010.
WayneMorse
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Never fucking change America, never change.
Never fucking change America, never change.
RustyNails
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so I casually browsed the nazicare website and I was surprised to see cheaper plans than the one I am currently enrolled in through my employer. I dont qualify for any subsidies. I was one of the groups (youngish and healthy) whose premiums were sure to go up. I still have to fill out the application though.
Edit: I mean to say cheaper and better. Lower premiums, deductibles and oop costs.
Blue Choice Gold PPO 002 is what I am looking at.
Edit: I mean to say cheaper and better. Lower premiums, deductibles and oop costs.
Blue Choice Gold PPO 002 is what I am looking at.
Fixed that for accuracy.
Baraka in the White House
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Because Joe Lieberman.
Obama caved for dat insurance $$$.
jamesinclair
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I'm the opposite.
I almost fell over.
If I read it right, I'd have to spend $5000 before the insurance starts chipping in.
Wtf. I haven't spent that much in non dental care in the past fifteen years combined, and now I have to pay 100 a month for the privilege of getting Jack shit in return?
Obama plz.
Black Mamba
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There are low deductible plans on the California exchange, dude.
Cali needs to step its game up. That 10$ minimum wage, in 2016, ain't looking so hot anymore.
I am starting to associate very serious people with fucking morons
User 250141
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Well, the graph indicates that blacks also view the same trends to a lesser degree (thus minus the streams crossing).
RustyNails
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That's not out of the ordinary for families, but for individuals it's high. Are you looking only at Catastrophic plans?
jamesinclair
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I think it was bronze
speculawyer
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This guys is not going to be president.
This guys is not going to be president.
He looks high in that picture. Also I agree, he's just the flavor of the month. Nothing more.
PhoenixDark
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Seems ridiculous. I've seen cheap plans on CA's site, and I'm not even a resident there; I just threw in a random zip code (thank you, gangsta rap) and saw good rates awhile ago.
There are more than high deductible available dude. Are you a 26 year old chain smoker or something.
jamesinclair
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I'll take another browse later.
No smoking, no conditions at all.
Only time I've seen a doctor in the past five years was due to ear wax build up.
This guys is not going to be president.
What is that thing?
StopMakingSense
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Take a closer look at the plans. A lot of things will just have copays, so the deductible matters a lot less, unless you need a surgery or something.
zero shift
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Knock on Scott Walker all you want, but his policies are working. For example Wisconsin now ranks 2nd in terms of the fastest growing state economy in the nation for the past view months!This guys is not going to be president.
http://www.wisgov.state.wi.us/newsroom/press-release/wisconsin-ranked-2-economic-growth
Damn didn't know that. Would be awesome if there was such information around.
jamesinclair
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Everything I saw said copay after 5,000 deductible
StopMakingSense
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Ah, so it is with Bronze. I would really suggest making the bump up to silver, if possible. Most deductibles are no subject to the deductible.
Also, the first 3 primary care visits are not subject to the deductible on Bronze. Also, all your prices will be the insurer's negotiated rates.
As for me, I've got my eyes on some sweet gold plans for me and my wife. No deductibles! For this cancer survivor, Obamacare/CoveredCA is one of the best things to ever happen to me.
PhoenixDark
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I don't think that's shocking at all, in fact it's been going on for a long time. Diversity has long been considered "reverse racism" among many white people, and it's just the next step of the "minorities benefit at my expense" mindset. Diversity becomes a threat that must be corrected (for instance, by passing over qualified black candidates in the hiring process), with whites portraying themselves as the victim. The assumption being that black candidates must be "qualified" due to some racial advantage they had over someone else.
We see a lot of this on GAF in race threads when people whip out the dictionary definition of racism to somehow prove blatant racism isn't racist at all. After all, nobody is having a cross burned in their yard so it can't be racist.
WayneMorse
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So do you guys think the media narrative over Obamacare and the website will turn around? Huffpo seems pretty confident.
I think we have to wait until the enrollment numbers come out though to officially determine it a success.
I think we have to wait until the enrollment numbers come out though to officially determine it a success.
ClassyPenguin
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Gaf race and or sexism threads in a nutshell.
Also, Stephanie Kelton's MMT coloring book is pretty neat and at a level that gaffers can understand.
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/2013/11/mmt-toddlers.html
There's no question that the website is fixing it's issues on a daily basis, that it's capacity has increased and the failure rate has dropped sharply compared to two months ago. Successful enrollment numbers have also quadrupled in November. Whether or not the feds will meet their goal of 5 million applicants remains to be seen, but it currently fits the definition of a "turnaround"
PhoenixDark
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Dunno, I'm just used to it by now. Example: my brother was in the Peace Corps and came home in August; he was in Kenya for two years. During a lunch break I was showing some coworkers pics of him in Kenya helping kids and stuff, and my manager came over. He took a look at a couple of the pictures and blurted out "so he's not in college? My daughter graduated and tried to get into the Peace Corps but couldn't, how did he get in?" I explained that he graduated before joining, and is now preparing to get his MBA. My manager was like "oh...well that's good to hear."
I could probably overlook something like that, even though it's pause worthy to say the least, but he has a history of making...weird comments about black people/affirmative action. It's hard to overcome when dealing with folks who jump to the worse assumptions.
Hear hear, man. Both my fiancé and I have pre-existing conditions and although she's currently covered by her employer, she's been wanting to leave and Obamacare affords her that opportunity. As for me, I know I'll have reliable insurance, job or not, post graduation. We're both ecstatic and the prices are great. Eagerly awaiting call from CNN to do story... *crickets*
I saw Chuck Todd on Hardball definitively state that the website was "fixed" and that the issue is dead. Although I'm sure Todd and the rest of his ilk are eagerly awaiting another foul up to pounce on...
PhoenixDark
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Interestingly the site is still borked on the back end, resulting in healthcare companies receiving mangled data. But that's a harder story to discuss without getting into policy stuff, hence the site is now "fixed" in the media's eyes. No wonder Obama can't stand talking to these people, I get the impression they have very little understanding or interest in policy. Well, outside of cutting entitlements.
Yep. Nobody mentioned anything about back end cock ups affecting enrollment, but hey, the front is operating smoothly so case closed!
Rhomega Beta
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Librul lies and propaganda!
So here's a question that I should know the answer to, but I kinda just ignored it for whatever reason. If you don't have health insurance and get into a car accident, and then try and buy health insurance, will you then be able to cover your bills with the insurance you just bought?
Plans usually have a no-claim period after purchase, so the answer is no.
So what's what are all the groups like Generation Opportunity (the guys behind the Creepy Uncle Sam vids) trying to say when they attempt to tell young people to wait until they get sick to buy insurance?
edit: Oh, and there's a window shopping function on healthcare.gov now? That's great to hear. But why wasn't this included right from the fucking beginning?!
They don't want people signing up, period. Particularly young people since their participation keeps the whole damn thing afloat. It's an insidious campaign to misinform young people into thinking that one, they don't need insurance, and two, if they do get sick or in accident, they can just sign up at the spot. Wrong.
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thepotatoman
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I think enrollment numbers for the first year might end up disappointing. The 1% taxable income penalty with a $95 minimum isn't really quite enough to get young and healthy people to jump on a $100 per month expense even after subsidy. A lot are going to wait until the penalty gets pumped up to 2% next year.
But it's nice to see conservative politicians like Santorum concede that the front end is mostly fixed, switching focus to the back end which nobody will care about unless it somehow effects them.
User 250141
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I dunno how much it really EXPLAINS, though
Would love to see more good, simple explanations / analogies for MMT that can help counter the (fallacious) "household" analogy.
See, I know they don't want people to sign up. But I thought this plan was more cynical rather than being deceptive. This makes it much worse then.
So basically there's no way to game the system, then?
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thepotatoman
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I dunno how much it really EXPLAINS, though
Would love to see more good, simple explanations / analogies for MMT that can help counter the (fallacious) "household" analogy.
Shouldn't the burden of explination be on the people who choose to use the household analogy? The opposite of all those propositions aren't ever questioned for explanation.
What explanation is needed from that side?
If you're spending more money than you're taking in, then spend less. Like all families do.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Avon Barksdale
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There's a joke there somewhere.
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thepotatoman
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What needs to be answered is why do we need to spend less, and why is a country's budget like a family's budget?
America is fine if it spends more than it is taking in, like it has been for the last 100 years.
Both propositions are equally simplistic, but why does only one seem to need explanation?
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