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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout

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GhaleonEB

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That's fucking great. The new controversy they are trying to talk about though is that there may be problems on the backend regarding whether insurers will receive all the correct information.

I've been following Wonkblog's update of those. I get the impression they were pretty bad but are getting fixed pretty fast now; they seem to have prioritized the end user experience ahead of the back end data transmissions, but are now turning to the latter. But they're also being very cagy about just how big the problems are. Clearly they'd rather talk about the big sign ups as a way to turn the narrative, while the back end stuff is mostly out of sight. Until the end of the year, anyways when plans are supposed to kick in...

I wonder if the states are seeing similar surges. I read a few days ago California was going at a high multiple of their October sign up rate, but they didn't have the pent up demand the healthcare.gov fiasco created.
 
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/c...the_current_strike_going_on_what_is/?sort=top

ugh. Fucking poor people, why can't they all just be STEM lords like me?

This one killed me

These people demanding $15 are not smart enough to realize that they are digging their own graves.
Once there are fast food jobs that pay $15 per hour, more people will seek employment at fast food places.
Soon, hiring managers at fast food places will be able to select applicants that can actually pass a drug test, applicants that have graduated high school, applicants that are more competent, and are thankful for the work.
Then the uneducated, entitled people who wanted more than they were worth will find themselves out of work, because they were only worth $7-8 per hour to begin with.

But I thought people considered themselves BENEATH working at a fucking fast food joint.

Goddamnit. People are so fucking moronic.

However this is a fantastic saying (found in the thread):

"People don't know the first fucking thing about fixing something as simple as the car in their driveway, but they will go to the grave thinking they know how to fix society."
 

GhaleonEB

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The unemployment rate declined from 7.3 percent to 7.0 percent in November, and total
nonfarm payroll employment rose by 203,000, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics
reported today. Employment increased in transportation and warehousing, health care,
and manufacturing.

200k - not too shabby.

http://bls.gov/news.release/empsit.nr0.htm

Revisions:

The change in total nonfarm payroll employment for September was revised from +163,000
to +175,000, and the change for October was revised from +204,000 to +200,000. With
these revisions, employment gains in September and October combined were 8,000 higher
than previously reported.

The unemployment rate dropped because furloughed workers were counted as unemployed last month, pushing it up. So jobs plus the end of the shutdown caused a .3% drop this month.

Both the number of unemployed persons, at 10.9 million, and the unemployment rate, at
7.0 percent, declined in November. Among the unemployed, the number who reported being
on temporary layoff decreased by 377,000. This largely reflects the return to work of
federal employees who were furloughed in October due to the partial government shutdown.
 
I wonder what the headlines would be if unemployment fell to 7% under President Romney instead of Obama.

Still, unemployment is quite high in many states/demographics of the country. The upcoming budget deal is far from perfect but at least begins to address sequestration, so that will help.
 

teiresias

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That's fucking great. The new controversy they are trying to talk about though is that there may be problems on the backend regarding whether insurers will receive all the correct information.

Good luck trying to get people to sympathize with the insurers themselves, the same people that used to deny claims, drop people from insurance, and play around with fine-print details to screw people over even if they did have all the correct information.
 

Aylinato

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I have a soft spot for nerds.

So far the dem candidates for MI governor are underwhelming...I won't vote for Snyder again obviously, but I think he could win again.


I don't care who(unless some ultra conservative dem crops up)
I'm voting dem just based on how teabagger Synder has been. The Michigan senate also can fuck themselves.


Btw the bankruptcy judge said that Synder and the EM did not negotiate in good faith with pensioners in Detroit. Fucking scumbags.
 

Diablos

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Funny, because despite me looking just as much (if not more) I've received less calls about opportunities in the past two weeks than, like, ever.

Guess it depends on where you live... UE is still high in a lot of places even if it gets below the magical 7% mark.
 

codhand

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http://www.amazon.com/gp/gss/detail...ld.dealID=A1JSEQ3FO81WZF&gbld.state=available
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better hurry guys!
 

Wilsongt

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Santorum equates the Anti-Obamacare fight to Nelson Mandela's Anti-Apartheid fight.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-nelson-mandela-obamacare-apartheid

Rick Santorum said Thursday that Nelson Mandela had fought against "some great injustice" -- apartheid -- just as Republicans are fighting against the great injustice of Obamacare.

“He was fighting against some great injustice, and I would make the argument that we have a great injustice going on right now in this country with an ever-increasing size of government that is taking over and controlling people’s lives -- and Obamacare is front and center in that,” Santorum said Thursday in an interview with Bill O'Reilly on Fox News.

The very definition of false equivalency.
 
da fuk are repubs gonna say when they spent eight years claiming obama was gonna ruin the country

d'souza am cry

Yeah, they are starting to really look like out of touch nuts. They cry about Obama being the worst president ever . . . but unemployment has dropped, Bin Laden is dead, GM is alive and doing well, the stock market has doubled, the deficit has been cut in half, Reagan nemesis Ghadaffi is dead and it cost 0.1% of the Iraq war, Syria's chemical weapons are being destroyed, and we seem to be on the way of reopening Iran to the world while closing down their nuke bomb program.

Oh boo-hoo, Republicans . . . such a terrible world.

They have to resort to things like saying the debt is up . . . yeah, just like Reagan and Bush. And if you really want to lower it then raise some damn taxes . . . it can't be closed on cuts alone. And you fiscal boy Ryan's plan bloated the deficit even bigger so WTF are you complaining about?

And they resort to things like Egypt . . . Egypt is their own country, we don't run it. And what they seem to defend was keeping a dictator in power . . . how democratic of them.


And Benghazi. That one still amazes me . . . 4 dead in post-revolution Libya is indeed a tragedy. But when 4000 were killed in a pointless war in Iraq, you need to get some fucking perspective.
 
Santorum equates the Anti-Obamacare fight to Nelson Mandela's Anti-Apartheid fight.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rick-santorum-nelson-mandela-obamacare-apartheid



The very definition of false equivalency.

You know, people like me sometimes almost make me think god is real. Not the religious shit espouses but the fact that I could believe he's a devil trying screw people up. I mean here is a guy who would likely be bankrupt try to support his family and deal with a child's severe health problems if not for the fact that he's always had good health insurance. But here he is campaigning to take away a chance at health insurance for other people without offering another solution. And doing so while cloaking himself in the words of Jesus the healer. What a fucking asshole.
 

Wilsongt

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You know, people like me sometimes almost make me think god is real. Not the religious shit espouses but the fact that I could believe he's a devil trying screw people up. I mean here is a guy who would likely be bankrupt try to support his family and deal with a child's severe health problems if not for the fact that he's always had good health insurance. But here he is campaigning to take away a chance at health insurance for other people without offering another solution. And doing so while cloaking himself in the words of Jesus the healer. What a fucking asshole.

'Murica: Land of "Fuck you. I got mine."
 
Labor participation rate is the lowest since 1978.

To be fair, we're seeing an exodus of baby boomers retiring. While I agree the participation rate isn't an overall good thing (plenty of non-old people have given up looking), it's certainly not completely bad either.
 
'Murica: Land of "Fuck you. I got mine."

Yeah, that is fine when some hardcore Libertarian says it. But when you claim to be serious Christian and say it . . . that just really irks me.

It's like all these people who are now saying the Pope doesn't understand Christianity because his issued that statement which was not very capitalism friendly. I don't know how they think they are gonna win that argument . . . they shit in the woods.
 
You know, people like me sometimes almost make me think god is real. Not the religious shit espouses but the fact that I could believe he's a devil trying screw people up. I mean here is a guy who would likely be bankrupt try to support his family and deal with a child's severe health problems if not for the fact that he's always had good health insurance. But here he is campaigning to take away a chance at health insurance for other people without offering another solution. And doing so while cloaking himself in the words of Jesus the healer. What a fucking asshole.
What a snob
 
http://www.lawyersgunsmoneyblog.com/2013/12/the-aca-v-the-heritage-plan-a-comparison-in-chart-form

Beware, wall of text incoming.

This is, to be sure, a real overlap. It might even be a fundamental similarity in a context where the plausible alternative was a single payer or nationalized model. But that’s obviously not the plausible alternative — a statute that eliminated the American health insurance industry while steeply cutting the compensation of most medical professionals would (with the exception-that-proves-the-rule of abolishing slavery) be unprecedented in American history, and would also have no precedent in any high-veto-point system. (Even in the highly centralized Westminster systems of Canada and the U.K., in a context where comprehensive health care reform was a lot cheaper, the doctor lobby very nearly derailed universal health care and had to be bought off.) And in 2009, the idea that single payer was a viable possibility to 60 votes in the Senate requires ingesting enough hallucinogenics that you’d better have good insurance already. So, in the relevant context, the presence of a mandate in the ACA doesn’t establish any kind of fundamental similarity with the Heritage Plan. It just means that it’s universal health care reform designed by a non-moron.

....

And even though the Heritage Plan was just a decoy, it’s still eminently fair to observe that nobody noticed that the mandate was the greatest threat to human freedom ever when it spent years as the nominal Republican alternative.

There’s another variant, made by various people up to and including Obama itself, that notes the mandate in the Heritage plan to rebut charges that the ACA was volume 2 of the Communist Manifesto. Which, OK I guess, but I don’t endorse this line of argument, among other things because it gives Republicans too much credit and because it does begin to imply a substantive similarity between the programs even if it isn’t intended.

Which brings us to the the most important dissimilarities between the plans:

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....

Perhaps recognizing how feeble the argument is, the commenters trying to maintain the lie generally move to a bait-and-switch — when they say the ACA and Romneycare the plan passed by massive supermajorities of Masschusetts Democrats over Mitt Romney’s many vetoes are just the Republican Heritage Foundation plan, they also mean that it’s like the plan that John Chafee introduced in 1993 as an decoy alternative to Clinton’s health care reform proposal. While not as nearly progressive as the ACA — most importantly, it replaces the Medicaid expansion with medical malpractice “reform” — it is more like the ACA than the Heritage Plan. But the comparison remains transparently silly. First of all, it was of course never the “Republican alternative,” as no non-trivial number of Republicans have ever wanted to enact it (cf. every Republican-controlled house of Congress since 1994 passim.) And second, citing John Chafee — who was far to the left of the typical Republican in 1993 — as representing Republican health care policy preferences is an act of monumental bad faith, like citing David Souter as the typical Republican judicial appointment or George Wallace as having the typical civil rights policy preferences of a Great Society Democrat.

...

Let’s say the a liberal think tank developed a proposal identical to the ACA, and Bill Clinton used the power of the bully pulpit to ram in right down Congress’s throat in 1993. Barack Obama takes office in 2009 and proposes changing ClintonCare by making employee heath insurance benefits fully taxable, repealing the regulations requiring insurers to cover anything but catastrophic care, throwing many millions of people off Medicaid and devolving it further to the states, and enacting Paul Ryan’s proposal to end Medicare. Would any of the nominally left critics of the ACA be saying that Obama’s proposed changes were no big deal because they’re fundamentally just a minor variation on the Democratic, “Liberal Think Tank X” plan? Of course not — they would be leading riots against the greatest domestic betrayal by any Democratic president in at least a century, and they’d be right. Nobody really thinks that the Hertiage plan and the ACA are meaningfully similar. It’s just that some people refuse to compare the ACA to the status quo ante rather than a superior alternative that had no chance of passing, and saying that Obama just signed the “Heritage Plan” sounds a lot better than being open that your offer to the uninsured and working poor until Congress can pass the Magic Ponies and Unicorns Act of 4545 is the same as the Republican one: “nothing.”
 

Angry Fork

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/06/n...rk-city-police-commissioner.html?ref=nyregion

de Blasio made an alright pick for commissioner, but I'm curious about how this will effect his policy on stop and frisk.

I hope de Blasio is a good mayor, this is a good test of whether or not left wing populism will work. But I've been having a bad feeling lately that he's going to be a disappointment.

If deblasio was serious about left wing populism he wouldn't have picked the guy who A. started stop and frisk/supports it and B. said he would have gotten rid of the Occupy movement immediately, as he doesn't believe people have a right to occupy public spaces. (his words)

I liked de blasio and was hoping he would be good, but based on this pick I can see him turning into Obama 2.0 Lots of progressive talk, then does the opposite. We'll see what happens though he's not even in office so I'm not going to go that far yet.

But whether or not this fails, please don't say hiring an authoritarian police commissioner is left wing populism. That would be taking away guns from police, putting cameras on them at all times, accountable to civilians, no police unions. I doubt any of that is on the table.
 

GhaleonEB

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Yglesias' entry on the jobs report today - and how the Fed may respond - was pretty great. The last paragraph in particular.

A very decent jobs report today says the economy added 203,000 jobs in the month of November and revised the previous data up slightly. The unemployment rate as measured by the household survey has fallen to seven percent. And this month it fell despite an increase in the size of the labor force. Steady growth, continuous improvement.

Naturally this is going to heighten "taper" fever as Fed watchers (and FOMC members) with itchy trigger fingers have a palpable yearning for a return to normalcy. But I think it's quite important at this time in American history for the central bank, not to regard itself as the institution whose job it is to take the punch bowl away before the party gets started.

One reason for that is fiscal policy. The nature of the deadlock in congress is driving us toward more austere policies. Even the negotiations around sequestration are all about replacing it with other kinds of spending cuts or revenue-raisers. Nobody is talking about doing anything to increase the budget deficit. When that's the case, there's much less need for a bunch bowl watchdog.

But the more important reason is the longer term context. The idea of a central bank whose main job is to take the punch bowl away before the party gets too fun belongs to a time of moderate macroeconomic fluctuations. If it's been a long time since you've had a prolonged or serious recession, then it makes a ton of sense to become very vigilant about inflation—even "incipient" or largely hypothetical inflation. But when you had a year of recession (2008) followed by a year of extreme recession (2009) followed by a year of slow growth in which unemployment remained high (2010) followed by another year of slow growth in which unemployment remained high (2011) followed by another year of slow growth in which unemployment remained high (2012) followed by a fourth year of slow growth in which unemployment remained high (2013) it would be very unbalanced to act hyper-vigilant about inflation. It's been a long time since the bulk of workers have had any meaningful bargaining power, and the wise thing to say would be that, yes, we would in fact actually like to see a party get started here.
Not what our corporate benefactors desire, but a couple more years of this and the growing movement for a living wage and we might be getting somewhere.
 
I'm going to give De Blasio time to be sworn in and hand down some policy before throwing him in the fire, come on. I don't like the hire, and yes I am getting reminded of Obama handing out jobs to Clinton cronies/corporatists. But I'll wait and see, just as I did for Obama.
 
I'm going to give De Blasio time to be sworn in and hand down some policy before throwing him in the fire, come on. I don't like the hire, and yes I am getting reminded of Obama handing out jobs to Clinton cronies/corporatists. But I'll wait and see, just as I did for Obama.

Waiting and seeing with Obama didnt quite have any payoff though
 
I really don't see de Blasio getting rid of stop and frisk, maybe a few reforms here and there but it probably wont change much. Also the problem of wealth inequality and high housing prices will probably just get worse.

Man, politics is so depressing sometimes. Can't wait for Clinton or Warren to disappoint us.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHhrZgojY1Q
 
Waiting and seeing with Obama didnt quite have any payoff though

I agree overall but we need to be honest and consider the situation. As mayor, de Blasio will have a lot of power to institute his policies. I'm not too familiar with local NY politics but he'll be dealing with a lot of democrats, I'm going to assume he'll get major parts of his agenda done a lot easier than Obama; ending stop-and-frisk strikes me as easier to do than closing Gitmo, basically.
 
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