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PoliGAF 2013 |OT3| 1,000 Years of Darkness and Nuclear Fallout
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Aaron Strife
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Prop 8 was dismissed on standing. If a Republican governor were in office (who wasn't Schwarzenegger, at least) they would have defended the law themselves.
The new map:
Fuck you, Chris Christie.
What am I looking at?
LOL. Charlie Cook actually consulted a real life psychiatrist to diagnose Republicans:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248605/-Jim-DeMint-call-your-shrink
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/10/18/1248605/-Jim-DeMint-call-your-shrink
theprodigy
Member
status of marriage equality across the country (blue=legal)
Right.
And the other, what, eight colors mean what?
Hobbestetrician
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What do the different colored stripes and shades of red represent?
eBay Huckster
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From the Wiki article that map's posted on:
So in Illinois, for example, there's a state statute banning same-sex marriage but also unions granting state-level benefits similar to marriage (whereas Colorado and Nevada have the latter, but the ban's in their state constitutions).
Max Fisher (WashPo): Clinton reveals U.S. role in high-level 2012 incident with China
Pretty deftly handled.
Pretty deftly handled.
Giant Panda
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Why doesn't Oregon have same-sex marriage yet? Is it getting blocked in the legislative or something?
theprodigy
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dunno, they'll get it in 2014 though
A ban on it passed a few years ago via ballot measure. A measure to reverse it will be on the 2014 ballot. It's been a few months since I checked in with where things are, but backers are feeling optimistic.
smokeandmirrors
Banned
The new map:
Fuck you, Chris Christie.
This map is just going to echo the presidential electoral college map soon won't it?
It'll pass comfortably. I don't even think conservative groups will be investing heavily in that one. Their big 2014 mission will be a constitutional amendment in Indiana (that hasn't passed the legislature yet) in order to shore up their losses and put a W on the board.
It still questionable if it will pass, but it's the best chance to get some free press out of the thing. It could be a situation like Minnesota that could blow up in their faces in 2016.
I don't know if it'll ever get that far. It's extremely difficult to amend the constitution in some of the states that have the more horrific laws. I can't see more than 20-25 states having legalized gay marriage by the time the Big Case comes to the SCOTUS and its decided for gay marriage nationwide.
NYCmetsfan
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Finally moved to one of the blue hell holes. My god everything the republicans said is right.....The new map:
The new map:
Fuck you, Chris Christie.
One day my state will turn blue. You'd think Iowa would rub off on us, but everyone in Western Iowa are Dixiecrats.
states are going to fall one by one internally. PA is going to fall in 2014
TacticalFox88
Banned
I can't WAIT for the delicious tears when the Supreme Court rules gay marriage nationwide.
Rep. Bill Young has passed away
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/18/politics/rep-young-dies/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
http://www.cnn.com/2013/10/18/politics/rep-young-dies/index.html?hpt=hp_t2
BertramCooper
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I think Ohio could fall in 2014 as well, but they're probably going to hold the ballot initiative until 2016 just to be safe. Which is frustrating, but understandable, I guess. Our gubernatorial race next year is going to be pretty nuts.
But in any case, Portman's reversal on SSM was huge. If you can get both him and Sherrod Brown to come together to publicly support the initiative (and Brown obviously would do it), it's a done deal.
I will spend all day on FreeRepublic drinking the tears. They will empower me.
NYCmetsfan
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It'll be a court decision in PA. There's no way to overcome the Republican legislature/governor with a ballot proposal.
its going to be a court decision in a lot of states, regardless of the legislature.
Well, they can't. That's why there are so many constitutional amendments to state constitutions.
A lot are now going the federal route, which is an option, but Blue states that have these old vestiges like Oregon, Ohio, Virginia, or Nevada will most likely try to put an amendment back to a more progressive electorate.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
Texas likes a fighter, Mr. Patrick said. Hes only been there 10 months, but hes proven to be a fighter. If our party doesnt lead as a bold conservative party, then we will disappear as a party.
Also ted cruz's anthem? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QECUFmEPbU0
Wait wait wait. He's a farmer right? Who gets farm subsidies... from the government. I mean, I know cognitive dissonance is the norm, I'm just confirming my suspicions here.
NYCmetsfan
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Republicans don't dislike government. They dislike the government that doesn't help them.
They dislike that one too, just not quite as much.
NYCmetsfan
Banned
No, they actively fight for that government.
Part of it is just flat out selfishness. They like their money from the government, they just don't want anyone else getting some, and their brain justifies it with that AM radio/Fox News-approved cognitive dissonance. Same thing with the government-hating Medicare-using Republicans.
ridethepiggy
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Hate to go all Facebook on you folks but I felt this was interesting. Been debating the deficit, spending, etc., with a particular libertarian on FB for quite some time. Back and forth, says we need to cut cut cut whether it's food stamps, medicare, social security, etc. He posted an article showing that we've eclipsed 17trillion in debt so after a bit of conversation I said
His response?
Probably the most succinct and pointless response he's ever provided during our discussions. Made me realize that for the most part conservatives don't really have a number where we should be concerned. That it isn't about 17 trillion, it's just us being in debt and helping people who need it. They can't really answer why our debt is such a concern other than being ideologically opposed to spending more than one takes in at a basic level.
His response?
Probably the most succinct and pointless response he's ever provided during our discussions. Made me realize that for the most part conservatives don't really have a number where we should be concerned. That it isn't about 17 trillion, it's just us being in debt and helping people who need it. They can't really answer why our debt is such a concern other than being ideologically opposed to spending more than one takes in at a basic level.
I dunno about that, there are plenty of people that fight against the government programs that help them. They usually just don't realize that they do help them.
NYCmetsfan
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Oh, there are voters that do. Politicians? Not really
TacticalFox88
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And...Fox News is back to bringing up Benghazi.
That sure didn't take long.
That sure didn't take long.
Nah. It's like earmarks: they're all evil, except the ones that benefit their districts.
Aaron Strife
Banned
When gay marriage is legalized in Pennsylvania, Michigan, Wisconsin, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, Illinois, Hawaii, and Oregon, that'll make up an electoral college majority. Everything in Obama's 2012 map short of Ohio, Florida and Virginia.
Arizona will be the first Romney state to legalize it imo
It has to be because of Hillary right? They're going to keep bringing it up until either A) Hillary doesn't run or B) she runs and wins and Benghazi, once again, does not amount to the shitstorm they make it out to be.
BertramCooper
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Any moderately intelligent farmer should be really fucking pissed at Tea Party fucktards like Cruz and his ilk for holding up the farm bill.
As someone who grew up on a farm and has numerous family and friends involved in agriculture, I can tell you that many ag folks have already had it with the Tea Party over the farm bill. That said, there are still plenty of holdouts who continue to support their bullshit. It's maddening.
NYCmetsfan
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That's my point
Joe Molotov
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If you get government aid, it's because you deserved it. If "those people" get government aid, it's because they're filthy moochers and it's worse than slavery and Hitler combined.
TacticalFox88
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God I want to be a fly on the wall during State Congressional hearings ten years from now in SC and MS when Gay marriage is the law of the land.
That's Texas for you, a state that built its identity around a failed and unnecessary battle, of course you'll have people who support the shutdown there.
Okay, so this article by Greg Sargent is a bit more reasonable than Ezra's. Instead of trading some spending cuts for other spending increases, we get spending increases by offering tax cuts:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ts-for-1-trillion-in-infrastructure-spending/
If nothing else, it'll be entertaining to see why Republicans would reject tax cuts.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...ts-for-1-trillion-in-infrastructure-spending/
If nothing else, it'll be entertaining to see why Republicans would reject tax cuts.
theprodigy
Member
Ah. I thought you were being categorical.
CHEEZMO
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Year 13 of the Obama administration.
Hobbestetrician
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With the 1000 years of darkness just beginning.CHEEZMO;86608645 said:
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