I guess the media is getting all these stories out the way now because the primary is so boring on the Democratic side. Hillary is very unlikely to implode despite Republican and media wishes and Biden is 9/10 not running. I think it would be wise for us to take solace in the fact that nobody is really paying attention to this stuff and the primary is 6 months away.
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PoliGAF 2015 |OT| Keep Calm and Diablos On
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Aaron Strife
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On merits alone, Kerry deserves to be president. Too bad he's a dud politically.
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thepotatoman
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Gain him support in the primaries while ruining his chances for the general?
It's all the drawbacks of an extreme left candidate while having none of the positives of support for extreme left policies.
NYCmetsfan
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I think he'll support it, but if he's voting against its because he trying to secure south Florida money
Retromelon
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I want dukakis to come back damn it, is mondale still alive
Aaron Strife
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He is.
In fact Carter and Mondale are the longest living president/Vice President duo.
If he somehow gets the nomination, the first few months of post-primary advertising from the Democrats is going to write itself. Any one of us from PoliGAF would be able to take hold of the ad campaign and completely decimate him in the public's eyes, defining him early and kneecapping him for the rest of the campaign.
Aaron Strife
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It'd be funny if he was the nominee because I highly doubt his brother or father would be anywhere near the RNC.
Meanwhile Bill Clinton and Obama are going to be permanent fixtures of the DNC, and probably even Carter until he passes since his image has rehabilitated immensely after his presidency (the "bad president, good person" routine). Bill probably has a couple decades left in him and Obama will be around for years.
Third Strike
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How is Bush Senior generally viewed by Republicans today? Nobody ever talks about him. You would think he would be worshiped along side Reagan, but he hardly gets mentioned. Is it because he was one term'd?
Bam Bam Baklava
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He's respected but not glorified or mentioned much because he actually put good policy first when he needed to.
RustyNails
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That "read my lips" line did him in for good and to be never spoken of again. He's just ignored like W.
He gave us Clinton. His son gave us Obama. Two of the best things to come out of their presidency's.
Hillary beating Jeb will be agonizing for the Republicans. It will be like being beaten by Bill Clinton and Obama(coalition) all over again.
Bonus: Souter!
Roland_Gunner
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I'm never going to let this one go. Kerry did everything he possibly could to make 2004 competitive. He was facing an incumbent who still had the afterglow of 9/11 and the Iraq war and the jobs situation improved right before the election. Maybe if someone like Obama was available then they could have pulled it off but John Kerry maxed out his potential votes that year.
He is quietly respected, especially as his health has gotten worse. But he is not held up as an example of a successful republican president and many republicans still remember his "read my lips, no new taxes" line and how he did raise taxes. He lost, Clinton won and the right never forgave him.
RustyNails
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You and me. I liked Kerry a lot. He fumbled about which all first-time candidates do. But he received the most unfair treatment this side of willie horton's weekend furlough program. He did not deserve to get his medals dragged through the mud by the ugly, venomous, dishonest swift boat attacks. He made things worse by not at all responding to mud-slinging. Combined that with "stay the course" narrative along with the fact that it is very rare to unseat a sitting President, Kerry lost. He needed to run a perfect campaign in order to win, and that is an extremely tall order.
Third Strike
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He gave us Thomas, tho.
Coriolanus
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That you still believe every single thing you read on the net is laughable. And sad.
Aaron Strife
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Might be for the best that he didn't though. He would have ended the Iraq War sooner, maybe. Which would mean a significant amount to the families who lost loved ones in that war. But imagine if a Democrat was in the White House during the recession, which almost certainly would have happened anyway. 2006 probably wouldn't have been nearly as good for Democrats so he wouldn't have had a cooperative Congress. The party would lose dramatically in 2008 leaving their asshole in ruins.
Well, maybe not. Kerry would lose reelection to say, McCain. Economy doesn't improve much, Democrats do well in the midterms (and thus redistricting), Obama runs in 2012 and wins, now he's running for reelection with a strong economy.
But in general I tend to think everything happens the way it does for a reason.
Yeah, but Romney ran the perfect campaign and he still lost to Obama.RustyNails said:
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Fiorina came out as an anti-vaxxer but yeah.
titiklabingapat
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Or we as Panther said, it just seems that way because we are paying attention. Noone in the general public cares.
Poodlestrike
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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This is the Civil Rights issue we must go to war on.
titiklabingapat
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California thinks you are wrong too, Fiorina. Glad we did'nt vote for this dunce.
speculawyer
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cool it. 15 months to go. Promise me you will make it without Diablosing this early.
also this:
In what universe? Do you remember that midnight press conference where he looked like a total opportunist nutbag? Or picking Paul Ryan as a running mate? Or 47%? Or his attempts to respond to the 47% video?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Trump to be 35% in Michigan in 5 weeks confirmed.
I seem to remember us thinking the same thing about Ms. Fiorina.
Yeesh, he just imploded, didn't he? How is Walker not even competitive in Michigan?
Aaron Strife
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That was one of PD's greatest hits, he said it sometime before the convention. "Romney is running the perfect campaign."
Up there with Scott Brown having the Massachusetts race on lockdown and Claire McCaskill losing the Missouri Senate race.
Poodlestrike
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I think the thing is, he got softball questions in the debate, but failed to really knock them out of the part. So he basically failed to draw any real attention to himself.
Coriolanus
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Eh, picking Paul Ryan was a pretty good move. It became bad when Biden trounced the dude.
NYCmetsfan
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They like nerds
Picking Paul Ryan wasn't a mistake though; that was him reaching out to the party. And honestly the 47% comment did get overblown. It really was not as big a deal as people made it out to be.
Do I really want to know anymore of PD's greatest hit? I am really curious lol. We already have one for this cycle. I have a couple I am confident will go into the greatest hit category next year
"Hillary is running a terrible campaign" "We should have nominated Sanders"
"Hillary is down in PA? Its over for her" "Walker is running a surprisingly good race"
"I think Jeb might pull this out", "Her debate performance was so bad, Sanders went circles around her"
Poll shows Hillary down 40-50: "Its all over, she is going to lose" "Why did they nominate her" "Her baggage is killing her"
NYCmetsfan
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Actual head line
hahahaha how stupid is this campaign?
hahahaha how stupid is this campaign?
Aaron Strife
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Picking Ryan wasn't a horrible move but I wouldn't call it a good one either. It meant he had to tie himself tot the Ryan plan. Biden fucking destroying Ryan in the debate sealed it.
Remember when Romney didn't get a post-convention bounce? And commentators were speculating that in the age of the Internet, maybe convention bounces didn't happen anymore because people were already so familiar with the candidates. Then Bill Clinton made his speech and was like "lol, nope" as Obama took a strong lead in the polls, interrupted only by a poor debate performance where Romney lied about everything ("I've never been against raising taxes for the rich" yeah ok) which quickly disappeared.
Romney's campaign was a joke and yet he still has more credibility than every Republican running. If Obama could run for a third term he would be leading by 5 points minimum.
Remember when Romney didn't get a post-convention bounce? And commentators were speculating that in the age of the Internet, maybe convention bounces didn't happen anymore because people were already so familiar with the candidates. Then Bill Clinton made his speech and was like "lol, nope" as Obama took a strong lead in the polls, interrupted only by a poor debate performance where Romney lied about everything ("I've never been against raising taxes for the rich" yeah ok) which quickly disappeared.
Romney's campaign was a joke and yet he still has more credibility than every Republican running. If Obama could run for a third term he would be leading by 5 points minimum.
PD's schtick can be amusing when it's in defiance of everything, as in 2012. It's only annoying when he's ultimately vindicated by the results, as in 2014 with his crusade against Hagan. Which was rather unfortunate since she was winning most of the night and the polls had her up. Same with Orman.
It's almost like they don't actually want to win.
NYCmetsfan
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I think the the 2016 election is really the 5th season of Arrested Development
benjipwns
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Now hold on, you can't reenact the 1988 debates without Dick Gephardt. He can take some "voted for Iraq" heat off Hillary, also being a lobbyist for Boeing and pharmaceutical industry including hiring his own firm to lobby for the ban of generic drugs should make for some fun.
Gary Hartpence considered running in 2004 and was recently appointed by Obama as "Special Envoy for Northern Ireland" giving him key foreign policy experience.
Bruce Babbitt probably isn't busy.
In other 1988 candidate news:
were you in FL when Jeb was Governor? if so how was he? He seems to have foot in mouth disease.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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"Women worried about welfare cuts should just get married." seems even worse than all of the terrible comments he's already said to be honest.
Hell yes, get the whole geriatric gang back together!
I actually went looking for the SNL sketch on those debates.. all I could find was the transcript. BOO.
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/87/87jdemocrats.phtml
I'd forgotten how much I loved Al Franken's Paul Simon impersonation. Damn.
In that case, who's the "Buster" candidate?
(please say Walker)
Roland_Gunner
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Assuming this poll isn't complete garbage this is a real shocker. The idea that 10% of Michigan Republicans wouldn't love Walker's anti-union shtick is hard to understand.
benjipwns
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*TIME WARP TO 1988*
http://www.c-span.org/video/?20-1/presidential-candidates-debate
This is the one from the day Joe Biden dropped out due to plagiarism charges, the Congressmen all spend time in their opening statements talking about how great Joe is, especially the two who put the knife in his back (Gore and Gephardt):
http://www.c-span.org/video/?18-1/democratic-candidates-debate
lol at Dukakis' opening...omg forgot Gephardt's "I'm very happy to be here tonight because of my involvement in the cities. I was born and educated in schools in a city. I live on a city block."
http://www.c-span.org/video/?32-1/democratic-candidates-debate
http://www.c-span.org/video/?27-1/democratic-candidates-debate
Bonus, free with purchase:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?4331-1/canadian-leaders-debate
*RETURNS TO 2015*
Carly Fiorina at 15%?!?
http://www.c-span.org/video/?20-1/presidential-candidates-debate
This is the one from the day Joe Biden dropped out due to plagiarism charges, the Congressmen all spend time in their opening statements talking about how great Joe is, especially the two who put the knife in his back (Gore and Gephardt):
http://www.c-span.org/video/?18-1/democratic-candidates-debate
Actually starts at like ten minutes in, some dumb lady gives some dumb speech about democracy or some shit before hand.
lol at Dukakis' opening...omg forgot Gephardt's "I'm very happy to be here tonight because of my involvement in the cities. I was born and educated in schools in a city. I live on a city block."
http://www.c-span.org/video/?32-1/democratic-candidates-debate
http://www.c-span.org/video/?27-1/democratic-candidates-debate
http://www.c-span.org/video/?28-1/democratic-candidates-debate
Bonus, free with purchase:
http://www.c-span.org/video/?4331-1/canadian-leaders-debate
Mulroney put a secret pact in NAFTA that makes Canada into the 51st State whenever the United States wants! ED BROADBENT AND JOHN TURNER SAW THE SECRET CLAUSE!
*RETURNS TO 2015*
Carly Fiorina at 15%?!?
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