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[Cheebo]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

 

[Third Strike]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

Populism?

 

[Cheebo]

Populism?

In the most generic term sure, but the goals of their respective populism are polar opposite.

 

[NeoXChaos]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

Most of that won't amount to anything in the end. If they really want Trump they were not Democrats to begin with nor do they care about progressive policies.

 

[teiresias]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

At the very least that means they'll experience two losses in one general election cycle, cry like a millenial told that, no, you are not in fact going to get a trophy just for showing up, and learn the lesson you're trying to instill in them in the OT about there being no such thing as political invincibility that makes ideological purity a good thing. They're really completely delusional over there.

Oh, and that ridiculous score card for the dem candidates posted in OT is like something out of right-wing base RINO talk, it's really damn despicable that that could come from anyone supporting a dem candidate.

 

[Coriolanus]

At the very least that means they'll experience two losses in one general election cycle, cry like a millenial told that, no, you are not in fact going to get a trophy just for showing up, and learn the lesson you're trying to instill in them in the OT about there being no such thing as political invincibility that makes ideological purity a good thing. They're really completely delusional over there.

Please don't do that. Is the kinda shit i expect to read on freerepublic.

 

[Plinko]

Oh look, Scott Walker is a liar:

"Email Trail Proves Scott Walker's Collusion"

http://www.newsweek.com/email-trail-proves-scott-walkers-collusion-365176

 

[Cheebo]

At the very least that means they'll experience two losses in one general election cycle, cry like a millenial told that, no, you are not in fact going to get a trophy just for showing up, and learn the lesson you're trying to instill in them in the OT about there being no such thing as political invincibility that makes ideological purity a good thing. They're really completely delusional over there.

Oh, and that ridiculous score card for the dem candidates posted in OT is like something out of right-wing base RINO talk, it's really damn despicable that that could come from anyone supporting a dem candidate.

the sad thing is it is pretty clear they have no idea they are spouting material out of Karl Rove's playbook, they don't even know who Karl Rove is.

 

[Coriolanus]

the sad thing is it is pretty clear they have no idea they are spouting material out of Karl Rove's playbook, they don't even know who Karl Rove is.

Sure they do.

 

[User1608]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

Yeah, it's pretty crazy. I compare it to self-destructing to take out everybody else, out of spite. I mean wtf, Trump and Hillary are not alike, let alone comparing him to Bernie! Progressives my butt. Ah, if only I could do something lol. *edit* all in all, I find it funny personally, if weird as well.

 

[Diablos]

HAM ROVE

 

[FiggyCal]

The amount of people who declare if Bernie doesn't win their second choice is Trump in the OT threads both baffle and frighten me. I don't understand it at all.

Honestly Bernies stance on immigration is not that great and his rhetoric is sometimes similar to Trump's in blaming China and Mexico for low wages and job losses.

 

[pigeon]

In the most generic term sure, but the goals of their respective populism are polar opposite.

Not completely.

Trump and Bernie are both economic populists, so they actually have a certain amount of platform in common -- specifically, blaming free trade, NAFTA, offshoring, and immigration for American unemployment and low wages. Xenophobia is one of the classic populist rationales, because it's hard to explain why the economy isn't working well, but it's easy to blame China for it.

Obviously Trump is much more insane than Bernie is on these issues, but Bernie called open borders a "Koch brothers issue" when he was talking to Vox, and generally also wants to limit immigration and institute protectionist policies, just like Trump, and he complains about politics as usual and promises sincerity just like Trump. If you're not too thoughtful about politics but you feel like America sucks now and aren't sure why, Trump and Bernie are very similar candidates.

 

[User1608]

Ah, I understand now. Thanks pigeon!

 

[speculawyer]

Not completely.

Trump and Bernie are both economic populists, so they actually have a certain amount of platform in common -- specifically, blaming free trade, NAFTA, offshoring, and immigration for American unemployment and low wages. Xenophobia is one of the classic populist rationales, because it's hard to explain why the economy isn't working well, but it's easy to blame China for it.

Obviously Trump is much more insane than Bernie is on these issues, but Bernie called open borders a "Koch brothers issue" when he was talking to Vox, and generally also wants to limit immigration and institute protectionist policies, just like Trump, and he complains about politics as usual and promises sincerity just like Trump. If you're not too thoughtful about politics but you feel like America sucks now and aren't sure why, Trump and Bernie are very similar candidates.

Yep. And he is right about the Koch brothers regarding immigration since open borders is hardcore libertarian policy. But, as with gay rights & pro-choice libertarian policy, they are happy to toss out that plank in favor of tax cuts and regulation cuts.

 

[sc0la]

And..

I sent that to a friend. Got this in reply:

 

[speculawyer]

I sent that to a friend. Got this in reply:

Well, I know what my nightmarewill be tonight.

 

[Poodlestrike]

I sent that to a friend. Got this in reply:

Y'know, I think I could have led long, fulfilling life if I hadn't seen that? Long, fulfilling, and happy.

What could've been.

 

[XenodudeX]

ohy god please delete that pic

it's fucking triping me PLEASE

 

[Diablos]

That is a true work of art.

I'm serious.

 

[User1608]

Oh! I remember that thread and artstyle! Creepy.

 

[Abinash117]

http://www.wsj.com/article_email/jo...2016-run-1440373384-lMyQjAxMTI1NDI5NDYyNzQ2Wj


Part of the article isn't even about Biden.

 

[FyreWulff]

Meanwhile, Huckabee must be trying to throw anything at the wall for attention..

lol, like Fuckabee has any room to talk about wiping records from existence

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

The group talking Planned Parenthood uses the same language techniques as GamerGate which is honestly just sad:

The image is shown during an interview with an ex-employee of one of Planned Parenthood’s partners, who claims that her colleague witnessed a fetus with a beating heart during an abortion.

The photo was actually of the stillborn son of a woman who claimed it in a Facebook post Friday, according to a release by Planned Parenthood. The photo had been published with permission by The Guardian last year.

Citing the woman’s Facebook post, Planned Parenthood said the photo was used by the Center for Medical Progress “without her permission [and that] she believes it is an illegal use of the image.”

David Daleiden, the founder of Center for Medical Progress, argued that the citation was present "from the very beginning."

"We never claimed that was an image of an aborted baby. It's just an illustration of what a baby looks like at the end of the 2nd trimester," he wrote in a statement. "It's interesting that Planned Parenthood and their allies assumed so quickly that's what was happening – are they just grasping at straws, or are their consciences also starting to get to them?"

"Sure. While talking about abortion we showed a stillborn baby without the consent of the mother. BUT IT'S YOU GUYS WHO ARE THE REAL RACISTS FOR THINKING IT WAS AN ABORTED FETUS DURING A SEGMENT ABOUT ABORTED FETUSES."

http://thehill.com/policy/healthcar...sed-photo-of-stillborn-baby-not-aborted-fetus

 

[GnawtyDog]

He bugs me. He gonna get thrashed in the primary so idc what he says. He will drop out before the Maryland Primary forces him out due to embarrassment.

Lol...I like O'Malley... the party needs young blood and candidates like these to start gaining experience even if they lose in the primaries. 8 years from now he might be the most legit candidate for office from the Democratic party. He has some things to iron out of course...like public speech, campaign organization etc.... have to start somewhere to get there tho. As for attacking Hillary (aka the front runner) it's is fair game.

 

[speculawyer]

I like whoever is the metric guy. Go metric system!

 

[User1608]

Bah, I hate judging people on politics, because there's way too much toxicity out there already, but man, people defending Trump and outright ignoring his broad generalizations (to put it nicely, for some people I assume) or attempting to defend those statements makes me question their views and kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, hah hah. I'm at least honest and transparent about my bias!

 

[danm999]

Bah, I hate judging people on politics, because there's way too much toxicity out there already, but man, people defending Trump and outright ignoring his broad generalizations (to put it nicely, for some people I assume) or attempting to defend those statements makes me question their views and kind of leaves a bitter taste in my mouth, hah hah. I'm at least honest and transparent about my bias!

The weirdest ones are the ones who cop to the fact he's probably lying or telling them what they want to hear, but still support him because they feel he'd do something that would benefit them when he's in power, even though they have no clue what that might be, and what he's saying likely isn't any indication of his actual intentions.

 

[sc0la]

Well, I know what my nightmarewill be tonight.

It's extra funny because this is what I wrote about the original

that lady appears to be screaming in a mixture of terror / ecstasy as she offers her child as human sacrafice to the blood god.

So I don't even know where to start with the deep dream one.
Cthulhu Fthagen

 

[User1608]

The weirdest ones are the ones who cop to the fact he's probably lying or telling them what they want to hear, but still support him because they feel he'd do something that would benefit them when he's in power, even though they have no clue what that might be, and what he's saying likely isn't any indication of his actual intentions.

I've noticed that as well. Well, what can you do, really. I'm enjoying the damage he's inflicting on the GOP. This is the monster they've created, and if they don't like it, perhaps they shouldn't have pandered to racists. That is a sizable minority, but not a majority. I also want to state that I respect Trump for at least stating how he really feels about us. No wishy washy bs, that's for certain. I'm very excited to see the effect it has next year, and his rhetoric is why I'm not going to be diablosing anytime soon. *edit* After all, he's made some of the other candidates say dumb things to pander to certain voters. That's a lot of ammo to use against them. Not very bright.

 

[speculawyer]

I've noticed that as well. Well, what can you do, really. I'm enjoying the damage he's inflicting on the GOP. This is the monster they've created, and if they don't like it, perhaps they shouldn't have pandered to racists. That is a sizable minority, but not a majority. I also want to state that I respect Trump for at least stating how he really feels about us. No wishy washy bs, that's for certain. I'm very excited to see the effect it has next year, and his rhetoric is why I'm not going to be diablosing anytime soon.

Well, the GOP has probably already lost California, Nevada, and New Mexico already. So unless Hillary was mailing top secret info to Kim Jong-Un, I can't see them winning.

 

[User1608]

Well, the GOP has probably already lost California, Nevada, and New Mexico already. So unless Hillary was mailing top secret info to Kim Jong-Un, I can't see them winning.

Absolutely. Just don't fail us, Hillary... Plz... Seriously though, she'll turn out fine, or I'm a banana smuggler within the next few years. Maybe...

 

[PhoenixDark]

The damage is already done, Trump wise. Jeb is pushing back a bit but ultimately is having the debate on Trump's terms; using the term anchor baby and defending it offends certain people, no doubt. Meanwhile the other candidates haven't said much of anything. It's an ugly situation and Trump shows no signs of dropping the immigration issue. Hispanics are looking at all this in disgust.

Can Jeb get away with releasing a moderate immigration plan (that tries to silence critics with heavy border security measures) now? Rubio? No. Also if Jeb gets the nomination I wouldn't be shocked if Trump runs third party. There's some bad blood there.

 

[Diablos]

Hillary has to figure out a way to keep her poll numbers from sinking.

If not, only Biden can save us now. The party has no one else viable for a general election.

If he were to be sworn in as President, he'd be 74 years old, but oh well.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

I'm surprised how illiberal GAF gets regarding immigration and Islam. Every damn time.

There was even one dude the other day who said he "leans left on everything but Islam" wtf?

 

[Cheebo]

You have to remember a lot of these weird "Bernie first, trump second", and so-called liberals yet having weirdly racist views on the Middle East or immigration are likely pretty damn young and are too young to even remember 9/11. I assumed as much about one guy in the Trump thread yesterday and he admitted he was too young to remember Al Gore.

Those who were born only 3 years before 9/11 will be old enough to vote for President. So called liberals of this age group have very odd all over the place views I have noticed. Not just at GAF, but in general.

We will have people old enough to vote for President where were only 8 or 9 during the Clinton vs Obama primary free-for-all. Too young to even be aware of that election. These type seem to be the ones who value populism above all else, claim to be liberal due social issues and then spout out odd rants about the Middle East and/or Mexico.

The Atlantic did a good piece a year back about how all over the place and contradictory Millennial political views are:
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...omics-voting-clueless-kids-these-days/374427/

Honestly, I can see younger millennials swinging to the right as they get old far more than the previous few generations did,the political stances of younger Millennials typically has no real logic or coherence to it. They didn't have the Iraq War and anti-Bush views to rally around like the generation before it did. Becoming politically aware in the age of Obama created a weird bubble where they created their own idea of what being liberal means, even when some of the views are in fact not liberal at all.

Salon did a somewhat similiar piece back in December:
http://www.salon.com/2014/12/14/ame..._great_generation_might_not_be_a_liberal_one/

In essence the political views of white millennials while socially liberal they are pretty conservative on everything else compared to recent previous generations.

 

[NeoXChaos]

You have to remember a lot of these weird "Bernie first, trump second", and so-called liberals yet having weirdly racist views on the Middle East or immigration are likely pretty damn young and are too young to even remember 9/11. I assumed as much about one guy in the Trump thread yesterday and he admitted he was too young to remember Al Gore.

Those who were born only 3 years before 9/11 will be old enough to vote for President. So called liberals of this age group have very odd all over the place views I have noticed. Not just at GAF, but in general.

We will have people old enough to vote for President where were only 8 or 9 during the Clinton vs Obama primary free-for-all. Too young to even be aware of that election. These type seem to be the ones who value populism above all else, claim to be liberal due social issues and then spout out odd rants about the Middle East and/or Mexico.

Still would be unable to vote. You mean 10, 11, 12, & 13? First time Presidential Election Voters in 2016 will be kids born in 98, 97, 96 & 95.

8 or 9 in 2007 or 2008 = 17 in 2016.

 

[Cheebo]

Still would be unable to vote. You mean 10, 11, 12, & 13? First time Presidential Election Voters in 2016 will be kids born in 98, 97, 96 & 95.

8 or 9 in 2007 or 2008 = 17 in 2016.

I was thinking if one was 8 or 9 in 2007 they would be 18 in 2016. But yeah, 9 or 10 would work instead.

 

[Diablos]

U.S. stocks plummeted in the open on Monday, following a renewed rout in global markets, under severe pressure from continued fears of slowing growth in China spilling over internationally.

Stock index futures for several major indices fell several percentage points before the open to hit limit down levels.

Circuit breakers for the S&P 500 will halt trade when the index decreases by the following three levels: 7 percent, 13 percent, and 20 percent, from its previous close.

"Fear has taken over. The market topped out last week," said Adam Sarhan, CEO of Sarhan Capital. "We saw important technical levels break last week. Huge shift in investor psychology."

The New York Stock Exchange is invoking Rule 48 for the Monday stock market open, Dow Jones reported.

The rule allows NYSE to open stocks without indications. "It was set up for situations like this," said Art Hogan, chief market strategist at Wunderich Securities. It was last used in the financial crisis.

European stocks plunged more than 4 percent, while the Shanghai Composite dropped 8.5 percent, its greatest one-day drop since 2007.

welp

 

[Coriolanus]

Bad news for Hillary, what with Obama crashing the world economy.

 

[Y2Kev]

Wow 2016 obama's America coming true.

 

[KingGondo]

Somehow this all ends with President Trump.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I'm surprised how illiberal GAF gets regarding immigration and Islam. Every damn time.

There was even one dude the other day who said he "leans left on everything but Islam" wtf?

My general view is that if we can recognize how ugly multiple parts of Christianity are we should do the same for Islam. As far as I'm concerned the world would be better off without Abrahamic religions. That has nothing to do with political spectrums of left and right.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Not completely.

Trump and Bernie are both economic populists, so they actually have a certain amount of platform in common -- specifically, blaming free trade, NAFTA, offshoring, and immigration for American unemployment and low wages. Xenophobia is one of the classic populist rationales, because it's hard to explain why the economy isn't working well, but it's easy to blame China for it.

Obviously Trump is much more insane than Bernie is on these issues, but Bernie called open borders a "Koch brothers issue" when he was talking to Vox, and generally also wants to limit immigration and institute protectionist policies, just like Trump, and he complains about politics as usual and promises sincerity just like Trump. If you're not too thoughtful about politics but you feel like America sucks now and aren't sure why, Trump and Bernie are very similar candidates.

Trump isn't a populist.

TNR had a piece on this. He might use populist language but he's not a populist.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122590/donald-trump-not-populist-hes-voice-aggrieved-privilege

Rather than a populist, Trump is the voice of aggrieved privilege—of those who already are doing well but feel threatened by social change from below, whether in the form of Hispanic immigrants or uppity women (hence the loud applause he got at the first GOP debate when he derided “political correctness&#8221. Far from being a defender of the little people against the elites, Trump plays to the anxiety of those who fear that their status is being challenged by people they regard as their social inferiors. That’s why the word “loser” is such a big part of his vocabulary.

The word populist causes too much confusion when used to describe movements like McCarthyism, the Tea Party, or Trumpism. These are not mass movements of the people hoping to make a more democratic society. Rather they are political factions of authoritarian bigotry, backed by the rich, and designed to protect aggrieved privilege. Trump is best described not as a populist but as an authoritarian bigot, a quality best seen in his callous response to the news that two men evoked his name when they beat up a homeless Mexican man. "I will say that people who are following me are very passionate,” he said. “They love this country and they want this country to be great again.”

My general view is that if we can recognize how ugly multiple parts of Christianity are we should do the same for Islam. As far as I'm concerned the world would be better off without Abrahamic religions. That has nothing to do with political spectrums of left and right.

Its a very illiberal view. Authoritarian to its core. There's a difference between being secular and what gets said on GAF in the guise of being pro-reason, human rights, etc.

Lots of the stuff is downright racist. I don't think you've said much but others have.

 

[Basileus777]

Trump isn't a populist.

TNR had a piece on this. He might use populist language but he's not a populist.

http://www.newrepublic.com/article/122590/donald-trump-not-populist-hes-voice-aggrieved-privilege







Its a very illiberal view. Authoritarian to its core. There's a difference between being secular and what gets said on GAF in the guise of being pro-reason, human rights, etc.

Populism isn't limited to "mass movements of the people hoping to make a more democratic society." Historically there have been plenty of populist elements to far right or even authoritarian movements.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Populism isn't limited to "mass movements of the people hoping to make a more democratic society." Historically there have been plenty of populist elements to far right or even authoritarian movements.

If you redefine populism to anything that has wide popular support. But popular movements doesn't equal populism.

Populism is anti-elite. It can't be lead by the elite. Trump is a demagogue not a populist

 

[Basileus777]

If you redefine populism to anything that has wide popular support. But popular movements doesn't equal populism.

Populism is anti-elite. It can't be lead by the elite

Anti-immigration has long been linked with populism, if you're excluding those types of movements then you're the one doing the redefining.

 

[PhoenixDark]

I wouldn't confuse religion with race here. The problem is religion, not Arabs or Jews or Africans or white people. Whether people want to haggle over interpretation being the problem...eh, I'd rather not participate in that conversation. The bible cosigns slavery and homophobia. The Koran cosigns sexism and a variety of other shit. I'm not saying no good religious people exist. But many if not most also have ugly views that directly relate to their chosen religion, and they have quite an obsession with making other people adhere to those views. And that's where I have a problem.

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Anti-immigration has long been linked with populism, if you're excluding those types of movements then you're the one doing the redefining.

Populism again isn't defined with a political platform. What is included in their demands changes. And as the article shows anti-immigration feelings in this country have gone down. You can't say something is a populist view when the view is held by a minority.

Populism has basically just been a word for elites and lazy political writers to label anything which they feel is pandering and outside of the elite-driven consensus.

I wouldn't confuse religion with race here. The problem is religion, not Arabs or Jews or Africans or white people. Whether people want to haggle over interpretation being the problem...eh, I'd rather not participate in that conversation. The bible cosigns slavery and homophobia. The Koran cosigns sexism and a variety of other shit. I'm not saying no good religious people exist. But many if not most also have ugly views that directly relate to their chosen religion, and they have quite an obsession with making other people adhere to those views. And that's where I have a problem.

Ok, maybe its not "racism" its just simple bigotry that uses, on-their-face, rational arguments to say its not bigotry, that it "has a genuine and noble concerns" but dug deeper hides a seedier underbelly.

 

[Coriolanus]

Populism has basically just been a word for elites and lazy political writers to label anything which they feel is pandering and outside of the elite-driven consensus.

Hmhm, it's why we in the south upgraded to clientelism. Far more straightforward.