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"Declare Iraq War a failure."
Why did you quote a post I didn't post in this thread in this thread?
You mean Senator Murphy's bill, right? There's a lot of Murphys and I know that Senator Murphy has been championing his bill for some time.
I think it's Tim Murphy.
Veritigo_X
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It is. Here's the text for the bill Ryan was talking about if anyone wants to look through it: http://murphy.house.gov/uploads/HR3717 Bill Text.pdf
Democrats in the house are arguing that it would harm patient privacy while not addressing the real problem behind these mass shootings (lax gun control).
Roland_Gunner
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There is some Rubio hopium buried in this poll:
-- NH gop poll when you drop race to 4 candidates: Trump at 32, Rubio 23, Cruz 20, Bush 18.
-- When you drop it to just 3 candidates it is: Trump 35, Rubio 33, Cruz 22
So Rubio gets almost all of the benefit if Jeb! weakens further.
Fenderputty
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Nothing concrete yet but CNN reporting the SB shooter was radicalized. The right was already frothing.
I'm genuinely scared for our countries Muslims and the rhetoric that Trump and co are about to spew ...
If it's true and Farook was radicalized and this was a terror attack, I think it seals trump's win.
I'm genuinely scared for our countries Muslims and the rhetoric that Trump and co are about to spew ...
If it's true and Farook was radicalized and this was a terror attack, I think it seals trump's win.
That's gotta eat at the party's leaders.. 'cause do we really think enough will drop out by then? 😅
"Jeb.. get out!"
"Nope. I've built this org and my PACS are sitting on a mountain of cash."
"Kasich: scram!"
"Sure. Enjoy this delicious slice of 4%."
"Hey Christie, drop-out!"
"Fuck you, I'm surging!"
Does this renewed interest in mental healthcare mean that Republicans will stop trying to repeal Obamacare now? Does this mean they support universal healthcare so that therapy will stop being a for-profit industry where patients are shuttled through a mechanical behavioral therapy with no therapeutic alliance between therapist and client and with no cognitive or humanistic care for a short time frame? I've had to struggle to get the people I care about the help I need, and oftentimes have to resort to administering my own unprofessional pseudo-care (which is highly, highly advised against): will Republicans do something about that? Perhaps will they take a more holistic approach and address mental health care from a humanistic approach, focusing on ensuring people's basic needs for the potential of self-actualization are met and attempting to rehabilitate those who are "mentally ill"? And speaking of rehabilitation, will they end the for-profit prison system and begin promoting rehabilitation over punishment?
I find it hard not be cynical these days when Republicans are involved in mental healthcare.
I find it hard not be cynical these days when Republicans are involved in mental healthcare.
Veritigo_X
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https://twitter.com/SaraMurray/status/672482628520538112
He's not wrong, but he shouldn't be pointing at that fact like it's a positive.
It's Trump. You think he gives a shit? That's his whole appeal.
Veritigo_X
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Yeah, I know. It's just shitty imagining a crowd cheering to that line.
Coriolanus
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Hey, only five years too late. Still, better late than never. What areas will the stimulus focus on?
ItWasMeantToBe19
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Ben Carson just called Hamas "Hummus" three separate times in one interview and Trump just said "I'm a great negotiator, just like you people" to a group of Jewish Republicans so today is starting well.
The Technomancer
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ehhehehehehe
It seems highly unlikely that any of the establishment candidates (Bush, Rubio, Kasich, Fiorina, Christie, Paul) will drop out before NH. Even if Rubio starts to consolidate the moderate vote, there will be others pulling a few points away from him here and there.
I think you guys might have inexplicably left something out from that recent Quinnipiac University Poll:
Hillary obviously crushes him, right? Oh, wait, Bernie beats her again, in the GOP matchups:
And, will you look at that; on favorabilty amongst registered voters, Hillary gets routed (pay especial notice to the "haven't heard enough" figures of 24 / 3
):
As I'm sure you would take delight in pointing out, according to the hi-tech poll ("Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones"), Hillary has expanded her commanding lead over Bernie, nationally, among Democrats / Democrat leaning voters, at 60 vs 30, although, for those that consider themselves "Very liberal", she still just beats him with 48 vs 47, which is a red flag, right there (e.g. Bernie is for relaxing marijuana laws, where as Hillary is still waiting to see whether she has to give away another inducement, and I have little doubt, that she had her fingers crossed when she gave away the TPP one...).
Quinnipiac: Bernie vs GOP said:
Hillary obviously crushes him, right? Oh, wait, Bernie beats her again, in the GOP matchups:
Quinnipiac: Hillary vs GOP said:
And, will you look at that; on favorabilty amongst registered voters, Hillary gets routed (pay especial notice to the "haven't heard enough" figures of 24 / 3
):Quinnipiac: favorable / unfavorable / haven't heard enough said:
As I'm sure you would take delight in pointing out, according to the hi-tech poll ("Live interviewers call land lines and cell phones"), Hillary has expanded her commanding lead over Bernie, nationally, among Democrats / Democrat leaning voters, at 60 vs 30, although, for those that consider themselves "Very liberal", she still just beats him with 48 vs 47, which is a red flag, right there (e.g. Bernie is for relaxing marijuana laws, where as Hillary is still waiting to see whether she has to give away another inducement, and I have little doubt, that she had her fingers crossed when she gave away the TPP one...).
His win of the Republican primary? Because I'm pretty sure that is all it would seal.
Really, this exact same sentiment was had during the Paris tragedy.
Poodlestrike
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Real talk: if the Dems have any sort of brains at all, they'll seize on the terror connections and paint anti-gun control advocates as weak on defense.
I'm not sure that there are any left at this point. I think he's officially insulted everyone.
Hockey moms.
QuiteWhittle
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Maybe if they were Syrian refugees or foreign terrorists.
PhoenixDark
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Islamic terrorism and security are now the dominant issues of this election. This stuff is ending Carson's campaign. And Sanders' to be honest.
Yeah, and suddenly all those Sanderites berating Hillary's more hawkish tendencies look fairly foolish.
Fenderputty
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Yes, I'm speaking of the primary. But his rhetoric might ring a little less hollow for independents and such after this event making the national a little more scary.
If it's not terrorism it's the economy. If the economy is finally starting to improve by a reasonable amount then it has to be terrorism. This fucking blows, it's like a neverending loop.
Anyone who is paying any sort of attention in the US is probably already quite aware of the amount of gun violence and mass shootings happening. Why is one more (which is sad to say) going to make a difference in listening to Trump more?
"Because this time it was Muslins!"
Poodlestrike
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Basically.
Fenderputty
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Yes. He's campaigned on wanting to ID them etc etc before this happened. A report on the first page of the OT polls his base and they're all right there with him.
Jack Remington
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I'm digging this. Christie NO shares on PredictIt's New Hampshire GOP market are at 85 cents right now, down from mid-90s a week or so ago. I put a couple hundred into those. Seems like a pretty certain 15 cent return. Basically a high-yield risk-free asset. I'm using markets like that to hedge my all-in long position on Hillary for POTUS.
I think his supporters feel that way, but I doubt rest of America does, or at least I certainly hope they don't.
Macho Madness
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And the Senate voted to defund Planned Parenthood. Obama is going to veto the shit out of that.
PantherLotus
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100% this. And if they really want to triangulate things and give conservatives cover, they can say 'welp we don't want to do this but we need to do X, Y, Z to stop the terrorists'
obvious that's too easy and will never happen though.
"If only we had the database, this would never have happened!"
Retromelon
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The christie surge is real. Get hype
Hah. That's true. You betcha he won't go after hockey moms.
I'm certainly a bit concerned too, now. All we can really do is hope Democrats can prepare really, really well for next year in the event of a worst case scenario.
Also, can't believe Christie is surging as much as he has recently.
Fenderputty
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My worry is that this SB shooting will push more Americans his way.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I can't believe the GOP honestly decided that "yep, fuck it, let's defund PP right after a right-wing terror attack on PP."
I feel like that is a really large step to take if someone isn't already behind trump's insane policies.
Veritigo_X
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No one can attack PP centers if there are no PP centers to attack. Problem solving, GOP style.
The christie surge is real. Get hype
That's a meaty tuck.
In other news:
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/v...to-control-the-presidency?cmpid=yhoo.headline
Boy Wonder video at the link.
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I always feel like Ryan's just biding his time for a presidential run.
Fenderputty
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This is why people assumed he wanted nothing to do with the speakership, no?
Veritigo_X
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I think that dream ended when he took the speaker position. If his speakership ends up being Boehner 2.0 like Republicans are thinking, he won't get anywhere near the nomination.
Jack Remington
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They're still talking repeal nearly six years after the law was passed. Is there any modern equivalent to this insanity?
In 1988 Reagan and Congress passed the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act. It was wildly unpopular and was repealed a year later. One year.
These people are seriously talking about repealing something that's been in effect for almost six years and is a pretty integral part of the entire healthcare system at this point. It makes no goddamn sense.
Sure you can modify it. Repeal the medical device tax if you must. Money is fungible. I'd increase the subsidies to cover more of the middle and upper-middle class, since they're the ones that have really lost out with the law. Mandate more pricing transparency. Maybe even adjust the essential benefits.
But anyone who thinks you can just repeal the law entirely at this point without plunging the entire healthcare system into complete chaos is absolutely insane.
In 1988 Reagan and Congress passed the Medicare Catastrophic Coverage Act. It was wildly unpopular and was repealed a year later. One year.
These people are seriously talking about repealing something that's been in effect for almost six years and is a pretty integral part of the entire healthcare system at this point. It makes no goddamn sense.
Sure you can modify it. Repeal the medical device tax if you must. Money is fungible. I'd increase the subsidies to cover more of the middle and upper-middle class, since they're the ones that have really lost out with the law. Mandate more pricing transparency. Maybe even adjust the essential benefits.
But anyone who thinks you can just repeal the law entirely at this point without plunging the entire healthcare system into complete chaos is absolutely insane.
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