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[PBY]

Holy shit, Cruz can't weasel out of this now if true:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-carson-voice-mails

This deserves a thread IMO

 

[NYCmetsfan]

Bernie's dodged on the two things Clinton challenged him on but OT seems not to have actually listened to what Clinton even said

 

[B-Dubs]

Bernie's dodged on the two things Clinton challenged him on but OT seems not to have actually listened to what Clinton even said

Of course not. I feel like I'm the only one in there who noticed her hit Bernie on voting to deregulate Wall Street.

 

[The Technomancer]

Holy shit, Cruz can't weasel out of this now if true:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/cruz-carson-voice-mails

This is classic "letter of the law" Cruz but I don't think he'll be able to dodge it this time

 

[nocturnalis]

This deserves a thread IMO

If it was anything, the result would be disqualification but then that would be disenchantment.

 

[The Technomancer]

Of course not. I feel like I'm the only one in there who noticed her hit Bernie on voting to deregulate Wall Street.

That thread is insane

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Hillary being part of the Establishment or not I think really shows the gap of difference in understanding the world between feminist women and others. A lot of feminist women I know or read online believe that Hillary is basically incredibly anti-establishment by being a woman even if these writers don't support Hillary. I don't think Bernie is going to make in-roads with women's organizations if he keeps attacking Hillary as Establishment (note that I'm not necessarily endorsing this point of view, just that it is a major point of view among some Democrat women).

 

[Cybit]

Hilary just said that "getting attacked for taking wall street donations is an unfair smear".

Hillary, that was the stupidest thing you could have said. You just gave the GOP a free freaking pass on that??

 

[PBY]

This carried interest "loophole" would probably cost a lot of people In my work their jobs

:/

Not sure what the right answer is there BUT she just gave another bad answer.

 

[RustyNails]

WOW hillary took my line on speaking fees verbatim! wowo

 

[B-Dubs]

WOW hillary took my line on speaking fees verbatim! wowo

I think she might have spies in this thread. Adam, are you feeding her our lines?

 

[CCS]

Hillary doing amazing. Keep slaying him my Queen.

 

[Holmes]

Is this debate going to be all about Wall Street?

 

[The Technomancer]

Is this debate going to be all about Wall Street?

Its the one area Bernie can speak like this about, so I'm sure he's going to try to keep it that way. That's not to say that his platform technically isn't developed elsewhere, but the dude has a groove

 

[PBY]

What Hillary is saying is A1 bullshit btw.

 

[Officerrob]

Bernie has got to broaden his talking points. Just way too much talking in circles about the same few things

 

[PBY]

Mannnn. That's a shitty ask. Theres a conflict of interest there and those speeches probably wouldn't be a great look for her to relapse (because of likely 2-3 throwaway lines/jokes), but I DOUBT that those speeches have anything substantively incriminating.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Bernie has got to broaden his talking points. Just way too much talking in circles about the same few things

Rubio is surging when he only has 5 talking points ("Torture ISIS fighters in Guantanamo Bay because otherwise they will destroy America" "Guns are amazing." "Repeal Dodd-Frank." "Repeal Obamacare." "I'm not gay")!

 

[Officerrob]

Rubio is surging when he only has 5 talking points ("Torture ISIS fighters in Guantanamo Bay because otherwise they will destroy America" "Guns are amazing." "Repeal Dodd-Frank." "Repeal Obamacare." "I'm not gay")!

Rubio has also been on debate stages with 7-8 other people, when things dwindle he's gotta go deeper as well

 

[Spoiled Milk]

What Hillary is saying is A1 bullshit btw.

Actually, she's correct. The biggest banks did not cause the financial crisis. The investment banking industry did. And those banks are smaller than Goldmann Sachs, Wells Fargo, and JP Morgan. Glass Steagall was not the answer. Ask Barney Frank.

 

[PBY]

Actually, she's correct. The biggest banks did not cause the financial crisis. The investment banking industry did. And those banks are smaller than Goldmann Sachs, Wells Fargo, and JP Morgan. Glass Steagall was not the answer. Ask Barney Frank.

I was referring to her discussion of Dodd Frank

 

[Cesare Borgia]

I was referring to her discussion of Dodd Frank

To be fair, Dodd Frank is bullshit in general.

 

[RustyNails]

Bernie is getting total softballs. Bernie Sanders do you hate just wall street or EVERY COMPANY IN AMERICA?

To be fair, Dodd Frank is bullshit in general.

It gave us CFPB though.

 

[Spoiled Milk]

I was referring to her discussion of Dodd Frank

So was I. We have a law. It's a good law. Bernie Sanders doesn't actually understand what he's talking about.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Actually, she's correct. The biggest banks did not cause the financial crisis. The investment banking industry did. And those banks are smaller than Goldmann Sachs, Wells Fargo, and JP Morgan. Glass Steagall was not the answer. Ask Barney Frank.

Since it's probably ignored in the other thread, I'll also comment here. "Three of the four largest banks in the US are larger than pre-crisis." But they're larger because during the crisis they absorbed failing banks.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Comparison between Hillary's and Bernie's voting records:

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/28/u...49B470A8499486CE45B57D29A74199ED&gwt=pay&_r=1

Mildly torn between the two records.

 

[Officerrob]

Since it's probably ignored in the other thread, I'll also comment here. "Three of the four largest banks in the US are larger than pre-crisis." But they're larger because during the crisis they absorbed failing banks.

It was 100% ignored

 

[B-Dubs]

It was 100% ignored

Does that shock you?

 

[ugaboga232]

Does that shock you?

Humans gonna human. This debate has soured me on both candidates. Why can't they merge into one super awesome candidate.

 

[The Technomancer]

I do really hope there's no Romney level comments in those speeches though :/

 

[CCS]

Since it's probably ignored in the other thread, I'll also comment here. "Three of the four largest banks in the US are larger than pre-crisis." But they're larger because during the crisis they absorbed failing banks.

True that. People don't really want an actual serious discussion of the banking system.

 

[Y2Kev]

The government BTW forced boa to buy merril Lynch. Everyone knows this. Jpm was hooked up with bear stern and wamu. They were trying to prevent a crisis.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Bernie, we're talking about Afghanistan and the Taliban, not ISIS, did you hear the question correctly...?

 

[PBY]

Foreign policy not even fair

 

[Spoiled Milk]

"Nobody knows who your foreign policy advisors are."

Because he has none :^]

 

[PBY]

LMAOOOO "I DID GIVE A SPEECH AT GEORGETOWN"

OMG

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

I'm really worried that Bernie hasn't even followed the issues in Afghanistan during this campaign.

 

[Poodlestrike]

True that. People don't really want an actual serious discussion.

FTFY.

Most people who get really, super into a candidate are ultimately not going to be up to handling a policy discussion on any level, especially if it threatens to upset their rationales.

 

[shinra-bansho]

So, I guess it may be worth noting from memory that the 2001 AUMF is the basis upon which the Obama administration has used military force against ISIS.

 

[PBY]

Bernie rekttttt

 

[Officerrob]

This is embarassing for Bernie

 

[CCS]

FTFY.

Most people who get really, super into a candidate are ultimately not going to be up to handling a policy discussion on any level.

That's certainly true, and it gets worse on banking in my opinion because people are happy to just go "bankers are evil, and that's why the recession happened" rather than have a policy discussion on that sector.

 

[PBY]

Bernie pls

 

[Spoiled Milk]

This is embarassing for Bernie

His core supporters ultimately do not care about this.

 

[Poodlestrike]

That's certainly true, and it gets worse on banking in my opinion because people are happy to just go "bankers are evil, and that's why the recession happened" rather than have a policy discussion on that sector.

Yeah, the banks are a big one, but ultimately it boils down to people wanting easy answers. "Big banks caused the recession," "X is responsible for all the strife in the middle east," "if we could just elect the perfect President everything would be better," etc.

 

[Teggy]

His core supporters ultimately do not care about this.

Yeah, but Hillary job isn't to win over his core supporters, it's everyone else.

 

[CCS]

Yeah, the banks are a big one, but ultimately it boils down to people wanting easy answers. "Big banks caused the recession," "X is responsible for all the strife in the middle east," "if we could just elect the perfect President everything would be better," etc.

Pretty much. God I just love debating complex systems in one-liners.

Also, we're doing national power rankings now? Lord.

 

[Iolo]

North Korea, that country run by a handful of dictators, or maybe just one

 

[Officerrob]

Bernie's camp on foreign policy:

 

[Holmes]

Bernie afraid of Best Korea.