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[Rafa=FedKilla]

Did any SC polls come out today? Any chance Cruz is gonna overtake Trump for #1?

Republican Caucus had Trump up by sixteen again.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Really hope Trump pulls out the win tomorrow. Then I want Cruz second, Bush third, and Rubio fourth. I need Bush to get 3rd so donors don't give up on him and force him to get out.

 

[A Black Falcon]

It's clear to me that Bernie is on the brink of doing irreversible damage to the Democratic Party. He doesn't care about the consequences of his actions. His campaign is a left wing populist Petri dish that has no skin in the GE game. He's incredibly short sighted and arrogant. It's like he's in a bubble filled with people who think just like he does...

It seems a bit early to say this, there's often arguing between candidates but usually parties eventually unite once a candidate is chosen...

But yes, Bernie will have to campaign for Hillary pretty seriously if/once she wins, to help heal the breaches in the party.

 

[Suikoguy]

It seems a bit early to say this, there's often arguing between candidates but usually parties eventually unite once a candidate is chosen...

But yes, Bernie will have to campaign for Hillary pretty seriously if/once she wins, to help heal the breaches in the party.

Yeah, I agree it's too early.
Ask me again in a couple weeks.

 

[FloydtheFathead]

The lights would be off. There would be deep shame afterwards. Both parties would regret it. So you know normal sex stuff.

Sounds.. Interesting.

 

[BoboBrazil]

It seems a bit early to say this, there's often arguing between candidates but usually parties eventually unite once a candidate is chosen...

But yes, Bernie will have to campaign for Hillary pretty seriously if/once she wins, to help heal the breaches in the party.

Bernie campaigning for someone else? I don't think he has it in him.

 

[Suikoguy]

Bernie campaigning for someone else? I don't think he has it in him.

That's honestly my biggest worry about Sanders post-loss.

Based on some of his history, I could totally see him sitting on his ass the rest of the election. He obviously gives no shits about the democrat party.

 

[Macho Madness]

I have a feeling Bernie's going to win Nevada. So I put $5 on it.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Trump's team responds to the reveal that he was for the Iraq War before it began:

 

[A Black Falcon]

Here's hoping that Hillary wins Nevada and Trump and Cruz do well in South Carolina.

That's honestly my biggest worry about Sanders post-loss.

Based on some of his history, I could totally see him sitting on his ass the rest of the election. He obviously gives no shits about the democrat party.

Now that he's actually a Democrat, he'll pretty much be obligated to. You're right that it wouldn't be out of character for him to not do so, but I hope that he can change that now that he actually joined the party... we'll see.

 

[BoboBrazil]

Now that he's actually a Democrat, he'll pretty much be obligated to. You're right that it wouldn't be out of character for him to not do so, but I hope that he can change that now that he actually joined the party... we'll see.

He'd probably drop right back out of the party. He only joined to run for president.

 

[danm999]

Trump's team responds to the reveal that he was for the Iraq War before it began:

Donald Trump.

He hated the war but also said he might have supported the execution from a military standpoint. He is against pointless wars, but is also the most militaristic candidate with great vision and wants to deal with ISIS and Iran.

He's whatever you want him to be!

 

[aTTckr]

That's honestly my biggest worry about Sanders post-loss.

Based on some of his history, I could totally see him sitting on his ass the rest of the election. He obviously gives no shits about the democrat party.

My feeling from the beginning has been that Sanders is incredibly self-interested and doesn't really care about anyone else than himself. If he truly cares about the people he says his campaign is supposed to help he wouldn't try his utmost to get a Republican elected, which is exactly what he is currently doing. Sanders is just the "Democrats" version of Trump, giving people false hopes from ridiculous, unrealistic, nice sounding, vague promises while not caring in the slightest about the party and the people he is supposed to represent, but rather using the campaign for self-aggrandizing which at some point appears to have gotten out of hand because the primary voters somehow went with it.

Sorry if this is seems a bit harsh, but I just can't stand people who claim to fight for a group of people while exploiting the same group of people's lack of information in order to personally feel good about themselves.

 

[Aaron Strife]

Trump's team responds to the reveal that he was for the Iraq War before it began:

So you're saying he was for it before he was against it?

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

My feeling from the beginning has been that Sanders is incredibly self-interested and doesn't really care about anyone else than himself. If he truly cares about the people he says his campaign is supposed to help he wouldn't try his utmost to get a Republican elected, which is exactly what he is currently doing. Sanders is just the "Democrats" version of Trump, giving people false hopes from ridiculous, unrealistic, nice sounding, vague promises while not caring in the slightest about the party and the people he is supposed to represent, but rather using the campaign for self-aggrandizing which at some point appears to have gotten out of hand because the primary voters somehow went with it.

Lol what? Nothing about Bernie's campaign tells me he's in it for himself. I think he registered as a democrat so he would be taken seriously. Otherwise, there's nothing wrong with giving people choices. It would only hurt Hillary to have 0 serious competition in the primaries. No one wants to feel like elections are some rigged foregone conclusion, and coronating Hillary a year ahead of the election would've left a sour taste in voters' mouths. It's good that Bernie's running.

 

[danm999]

So you're saying he was for it before he was against it?

It says something about people that there are posters even on NeoGaf that call him honest or tells it like it is when he's more full of shit than anybody running on either side of the race.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

This counter-narrative of Bernie as this horrible person is so interesting to watch develop. You can say that he's basically naive and drunk his own Kool-Aid, but I'm fairly sure that he's running because he wants to help people and thinks his policy proposals are the best tools to achieve that.

 

[Brawndo Addict]

It's kind of amazing how he always finds an explanation that could technically be true. Like you could oppose military intervention but still be impressed with the strength of the military in executing it.

 

[Foffy]

This counter-narrative of Bernie as this horrible person is so interesting to watch develop. You can say that he's basically naive and drunk his own Kool-Aid, but I'm fairly sure that he's running because he wants to help people and thinks his policy proposals are the best tools to achieve that.

Nah, he's secretly an egocentric person that is the true image of American exceptionalism!

 

[tmarg]

It says something about people that there are posters even on NeoGaf that call him honest or tells it like it is when he's more full of shit than anybody running on either side of the race.

To be fair, admitting that it was a mistake now already puts him ahead of the rest of the republican field. To the best of my knowledge, he only started publicly criticizing the war in 2004, but since he wasn't a politician a the time he has the benefit of never being on record as for it either.

It's actually a fairly clever angle of attack, assuming that he knew that attacking Bush wouldn't hurt him too badly. Mixing in some actual speaking truth to power lets him play off his complete bullshit as the same.

 

[Suikoguy]

This counter-narrative of Bernie as this horrible person is so interesting to watch develop. You can say that he's basically naive and drunk his own Kool-Aid, but I'm fairly sure that he's running because he wants to help people and thinks his policy proposals are the best tools to achieve that.

I'm not sure where you are getting that. What we have been talking about the last several pages is basically exactly what you posted (in bold).

 

[Jay-Hova]

My feeling from the beginning has been that Sanders is incredibly self-interested and doesn't really care about anyone else than himself. If he truly cares about the people he says his campaign is supposed to help he wouldn't try his utmost to get a Republican elected, which is exactly what he is currently doing. Sanders is just the "Democrats" version of Trump, giving people false hopes from ridiculous, unrealistic, nice sounding, vague promises while not caring in the slightest about the party and the people he is supposed to represent, but rather using the campaign for self-aggrandizing which at some point appears to have gotten out of hand because the primary voters somehow went with it.

Sorry if this is seems a bit harsh, but I just can't stand people who claim to fight for a group of people while exploiting the same group of people's lack of information in order to personally feel good about themselves.

Wow so Bernie's a terrible person now, go figure, have you really came this far Neogaf?
And you have to have an ego/want power to want to be president of the United States, that's no secret, it goes for any candidate.

 

[royalan]

It's my honest belief that Bernie Sanders is a nice guy who genuinely believes in his ideals and what he wants to achieve, to the point that he chooses to remain fuzzy on the details because -- goddamnit -- we just gotta get there, then we'll figure it out. I believe he genuinely wants to run a clean campaign and be the type of politician who is above the "game" of politics.

However, at this point, it's obvious that he's surrounded himself with shady people who are in the business of playing the game of politics, and its become clear that he has very little control over his own campaign.

 

[Snowman Prophet of Doom]

I'm not sure where you are getting that. What we have been talking about the last several pages is basically exactly what you posted (in bold).

There are several posts on the last page wherein he is called a self-serving asshole who is only doing this for his own self-aggrandizement and ego.

 

[brainchild]

It's my honest belief that Bernie Sanders is a nice guy who genuinely believes in his ideals and what he wants to achieve, to the point that he chooses to remain fuzzy on the details because -- goddamnit -- we just gotta get there, then we'll figure it out. I believe he genuinely wants to run a clean campaign and be the type of politician who is above the "game" of politics.

However, at this point, it's obvious that he's surrounded himself with shady people who are in the business of playing the game of politics, and its become clear that he has very little control over his own campaign.

I definitely agree with this. I know I've said this before, but Jeff Weaver is a moron and may very well run Bernie's campaign into the ground. I don't think Bernie's gonna do anything about it now, but he needs to.

 

[tmarg]

Bernie is just a guy who entered the race in the hopes of influencing the race, and never expected to do as well has he has.

For what it's worth, I think his run has been beneficial, even if I don't want him to win. I hope he stays in for a while yet. If Hillary can't pull off a win against Trump or a Trump weakened republican opponent because of Bernie, we were already in serious trouble.

 

[Makai]

This counter-narrative of Bernie as this horrible person is so interesting to watch develop. You can say that he's basically naive and drunk his own Kool-Aid, but I'm fairly sure that he's running because he wants to help people and thinks his policy proposals are the best tools to achieve that.

Yeah. I'm also impressed with the genuine (?) freakouts from people that Sanders could be the nominee, which they believe would ensure a Trump victory.

 

[danm999]

Weaver comes across as just a huge dick every time I've seen him interviewed. Wouldn't be shocked if Bernie got rid of him at some point.

Then again I dunno maybe you need that for a campaign manager.

 

[brainchild]

That's honestly my biggest worry about Sanders post-loss.

Based on some of his history, I could totally see him sitting on his ass the rest of the election. He obviously gives no shits about the democrat party.

My feeling from the beginning has been that Sanders is incredibly self-interested and doesn't really care about anyone else than himself. If he truly cares about the people he says his campaign is supposed to help he wouldn't try his utmost to get a Republican elected, which is exactly what he is currently doing. Sanders is just the "Democrats" version of Trump, giving people false hopes from ridiculous, unrealistic, nice sounding, vague promises while not caring in the slightest about the party and the people he is supposed to represent, but rather using the campaign for self-aggrandizing which at some point appears to have gotten out of hand because the primary voters somehow went with it.

Sorry if this is seems a bit harsh, but I just can't stand people who claim to fight for a group of people while exploiting the same group of people's lack of information in order to personally feel good about themselves.

If you guys honestly believe this, I don't think you've taken even 5 minutes to do some research into Bernie's history as a politician. I feel like I'm being trolled.

 

[ItWasMeantToBe19]

Nevada results pretty soon and no polls

Tsk, tsk, pollsters, learn how to poll this state.

 

[Basileus777]

Bernie Sanders has won one primary and there's no evidence that he has done any lasting damage to Hillary or her chances of winning in November. I can't help but wonder how many primaries the people freaking out over him have experienced. A surprise candidate winning New Hampshire and then flaming out on a Super Tuesday is nothing new in American politics.

 

[Jay-Hova]

I definitely agree with this. I know I've said this before, but Jeff Weaver is a moron and may very well run Bernie's campaign into the ground. I don't think Bernie's gonna do anything about it now, but he needs to.

I don't know much about Weaver except that he runs a comic shop, helped run his campaigns for two decades, and what he did when their was that database or whatever issue.
Can you tell me what he did that has Gaf against him so much?

 

[Cerium]

If you guys honestly believe this, I don't think you've taken even 5 minutes to do some research into Bernie's history as a politician. I feel like I'm being trolled.

One of the most grating things about Bernie supporters is how they assume that any negative opinion of Bernie must stem from ignorance.

Hence the term "Bernsplaining".

I happen to disagree with those posters, but I can see how they would get that impression.

 

[aTTckr]

This counter-narrative of Bernie as this horrible person is so interesting to watch develop. You can say that he's basically naive and drunk his own Kool-Aid, but I'm fairly sure that he's running because he wants to help people and thinks his policy proposals are the best tools to achieve that.

Does it really matter in the end whether if his intentions are to help people if his actions result in harming those people? He probably isn't a total cynic who knowingly sells snake oil to people in order to achieve some personal benefit, but I honestly don't care since it's still the same snake oil that he sells, whether he knows that it or not. People suffer/are disappointed either way. In fact I would probably prefer it if he were a complete cynic who knows exactly what he is doing, because I believe incompetent politicians are even worse than dishonest ones.

 

[Jay-Hova]

One of the most grating things about Bernie supporters is how they assume that any negative opinion of Bernie must stem from ignorance.

Hence the term "Bernsplaining".

I happen to disagree with those posters, but I can see how they would get that impression.

I hate this trend of people adding "splaining" to everything.
Easy way to discredit something without any effort.

 

[Basileus777]

Does it really matter in the end whether if his intentions are to help people if his actions result in harming those people? He probably isn't a total cynic who knowingly sells snake oil to people in order to achieve some personal benefit, but I honestly don't care since it's still the same snake oil that he sells, whether he knows that it or not. People suffer/are disappointed either way. In fact I would probably prefer it if he were a complete cynic who knows exactly what he is doing, because I believe incompetent politicians are even worse than dishonest ones.

Who are these people that he has harmed?

 

[Jay-Hova]

Who are these people that he has harmed?

Apparently all of us Bernie supporters think that he is or can change America into a socialist paradise in 4 years.

 

[brainchild]

I don't know much about Weaver except that he runs a comic shop, helped run his campaigns for two decades, and what he did when their was that database or whatever issue.
Can you tell me what he did that has Gaf against him so much?

His tactics are just bad optics for Bernie. He goes negative on Hillary every chance he gets and the campaign has been called out for some questionable practices in the last few months, like the DNC data breach or the Union imposters in Nevada. He's just slimy and Bernie doesn't need that shit; it's making him look bad.

 

[Suikoguy]

There are several posts on the last page wherein he is called a self-serving asshole who is only doing this for his own self-aggrandizement and ego.

Oh yeah, I guess I see your point. I don't agree with those couple of posters.

 

[OrangeGrayBlue]

Does it really matter in the end whether if his intentions are to help people if his actions result in harming those people? He probably isn't a total cynic who knowingly sells snake oil to people in order to achieve some personal benefit, but I honestly don't care since it's still the same snake oil that he sells, whether he knows that it or not. People suffer/are disappointed either way. In fact I would probably prefer it if he were a complete cynic who knows exactly what he is doing, because I believe incompetent politicians are even worse than dishonest ones.

He won re-election in 2012 with 71% of the vote. He's the longest standing independent in the US congress. He's giving the most well known woman in the world a run for her money on a platform of democratic socialism. You don't get those kinds of results being incompetent. I get that you have a distaste for him for whatever reason, but he's not incompetent.

 

[Officerrob]

Nevada results pretty soon and no polls

Tsk, tsk, pollsters, learn how to poll this state.

They will, when Nevada gets rid of the ridiculous caucuses

 

[aTTckr]

Who are these people that he has harmed?

Not yet, but he is planning to do so by either his policies if he were to win the GE, losing to a Republican in the GE or by convincing his supporters that HRC's realism is something bad that shouldn't be supported. But he would harm consumers by being against trade, harm workers by increasing the minimum wage too much (in a short window of time) and generating false hopes that low skill (but good paying!) manufacturing jobs will return, students by implying that free college would help with America's education problems, future generations by creating programs he can't possibly pay for without massive borrowing that they will then have to pay for with higher taxes or worse government services, etc.

 

[The Technomancer]

Bernie's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination, but increasingly the word I feel I would use to describe him on multiple levels is naive. Not that he's dumb or anything, his tunnel vision just extends beyond just the laser focus on Wall Street

 

[Holmes]

Enough Jay-Hovasplaining in this thread.

 

[aTTckr]

Bernie's not a bad person by any stretch of the imagination, but increasingly the word I feel I would use to describe him on multiple levels is naive. Not that he's dumb or anything, his tunnel vision just extends beyond just the laser focus on Wall Street

We probably don't really disagree with regards to him being naïve, but in my opionion intentions just do not matter very much. I know my view is somewhat strange, but to me a person who tries to help people but ends up harming them, is just as bad as the person whose goal from the start was to harm those people.

 

[shinra-bansho]

Messplaining.
Big, fat mistake.

 

[Suikoguy]

We probably don't really disagree with regards to him being naïve, but for me intentions just do not matter very much. I know my view is somewhat strange, but to me a person who tries to help people but ends up harming them, is just as bad as the person whose goal from the start was to harm those people.

That's... a very strange view.

 

[brainchild]

One of the most grating things about Bernie supporters is how they assume that any negative opinion of Bernie must stem from ignorance.

Hence the term "Bernsplaining".

I happen to disagree with those posters, but I can see how they would get that impression.

I never said that, nor do I believe it. But most HILLARY SUPPORTERS would even disagree with those posters, as it's not like Bernie is some new guy off the block. Most politicos are familiar with him and the type of person that he is. He isn't going to sit on his ass if he doesn't get the nomination, nor does his history as a politician and activist show that he's self-serving. As an example, Bernie has (and still does) rent buses to take senior citizens and breast cancer survivors over the the Canadian border so that they don't have to pay exorbitant prices for their medication. Does that sound self-serving to you?

Furthermore, Bernie himself has already said that he will support Hillary if he doesn't get the nomination, so they're already 100% wrong, and in this case, their criticism was completely unfounded and based on ignorance.

 

[docbon]

Chicago Tribune released some footage of Sanders protesting centuries ago. Pretty cool imo.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...nders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

The photographer recording the video actually captures the other one in frame as the flash goes off.

 

[Jay-Hova]

Chicago Tribune released some footage of Sanders protesting centuries ago. Pretty cool imo.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...nders-1963-chicago-arrest-20160219-story.html

The photographer recording the video actually captures the other one in frame as the flash goes off.

Neat, we already knew about this and had the photo of him instructing people at that sit in but seeing these photo's and the video is really cool.
More reason to like him as a person.