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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting

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Retro

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NeoXChaos said:
What is so important about Toledo?
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T'was the city that spawned me. Beyond that? Nothing in particular, Lucas Co. tends to go blue no matter what. It's just that with all the talk of Hillary losing Ohio, she's doing fairly well there for not having even visited. And then I made the standard Toledo joke about the Maumee River, because it annoys everyone.
 
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BlastProcessing

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Slayven said:
Has RUdy always been a scumbag or he has gotten worse?
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Always.

This is a good overview of his decades of fuckerey.

The city was exhausted, wrung out by one more of seemingly endless racial confrontations of the Koch years. Koch lost his September primary by almost 100,000 votes to David Dinkins, the genteel, African-American borough president of Manhattan who was seen as a unifier. The whole narrative of the race shifted, and Giuliani found himself being pounded from both right (by Ron Lauder, the cosmetics heir) and left. Hopelessly entangled in social issues like abortion and gay rights, a flailing Giuliani now vowed to bring the death penalty back to New York, and tried to attack Dinkins over assorted personal scandals, as well as his association with various black “radicals.” These belated efforts to play the race card fell short, and turned off some New York white liberals. Come Election Day, Giuliani lost in a squeaker. “The Rudy who might have been mayor had Ed Koch won the primary would not be seen again,” Barrett wrote.

Rudy learned a lesson, and it was an ugly one. Much like George Wallace vowing, “I will never be outni---red again!” after losing his Alabama governor’s race in 1958, Giuliani turned the next four years into an almost nonstop campaign of character assassination and race-baiting against Dinkins, a fight the New York Times Magazine would dub “The Race Race.” Just as Giuliani at this year’s convention sought to blame all of the country’s racial divisions on President Obama, the Giuliani of 25 years ago brazenly accused Dinkins of “playing racial politics,” “whining” and hiding “behind black victimization.” Much like Trump today, he convinced himself that he could only have been beaten by voter fraud “in black and Dominican districts,” according to Barrett—something he seemed to use to justify doing anything and everything he felt necessary to win.

The dog whistles were over. Forget the Great Society. Rudy now endorsed the policy ideas emanating from the right-wing Manhattan Institute, all of which stressed the “tough love,” bend-over-and-grab-your-own-bootstraps prescriptions adopted for the urban poor today by the Trump campaign. Giuliani now wanted the “chronic” homeless banned from shelters after 90 days. Back in 1989, he had refused to march in the St. Patrick’s Day parade because its organizers refused to allow gays to march. In 1993, Rudy marched with the homophobes—and condemned Dinkins for not marching.

Nobody remembers it this way now, but the Dinkins administration compiled New York’s best record on crime since World War II, adding 6,000 more cops and enjoying a record, 36 straight months of drops in the crime rate. But for New Yorkers this was eclipsed by big headline events like the Crown Heights riot of 1991—a clash between African-Americans and Orthodox Jews that Giuliani would insist on calling a “pogrom,” implying that it was countenanced by Mayor Dinkins. The crime statistics had turned around, and quality of life was slowly but visibly improving in much of New York, but that’s not how people saw it at the time—in part thanks to Giuliani’s relentless, Trumpian campaign to tell them it was a still a cesspool.
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Once in office, Giuliani didn’t really do anything. As it turned out, the man who would be Bobby Kennedy had no great vision for the city he had lived in almost all his life. Mostly, he watched as the stock market ticked up during the Clinton boom, the tourists poured into the Times Square that Koch and Mario Cuomo had rehabilitated, and the revolutionary CompStat program—instituted by Police Commissioner William Bratton, the man Dinkins had brought in—drove crime rates down. All the increased revenue, plus the dramatic lessening of the AIDS and crack crises, made managing the city easier than ever before. Even so, under the Giuliani administration, there was no real effort to keep the city’s middle class, and its small businesses from being driven out by New York’s skyrocketing real-estate prices—just huge, ineffectual tax breaks handed out to corporate giants, in the name of keeping their business in town. It was the beginning of a philosophy that has prevailed to this day in New York, in fact if not in rhetoric: the only thing to be done for the city is to fill it with more and more rich people.
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SexyFish

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"Mr. President, will you pledge not to issue a pardon to Hillary Clinton and her co conspirators for her many crimes to our country and society itself."

What the fuck Trump.
 
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Chained Prometheus

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"Maybe she's being hacked right now! Maybe we'll find out something very soon."

Might be a little off with the quote but Trump just said this and it stood out to me. How much do you guys wanna bet his friends over in Russia are trying to hack and find some sort of damning info or something?
 
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Fenderputty said:
The establishment wanted to moderate some after Romney lost and this is what we got. Right wing radio and media outlets control the messaging and the freedom caucus still exists to threaten their seats if they move left. It's really quite the pickle. I have no idea how they get out of it. This base isn't going to become less racist and more welcoming of minorities in 4 years
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The post-mortem after 2012 was extremely sensible, but there doesn't seem to be any means of putting it into practice. In part I think that is something to do with the way there isn't a party leader for the non-incumbents outside of election seasons.

Beer Monkey said:
That's what I've been saying. The only way they keep a white nationalist from getting the nomination in 2020 is if they change the rules. Superdelegates, fitness tests, and so on. Some non-democratic method of disqualification.
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Un-gerrymandering would go a long way towards it. If individual Representatives had to broaden their appeal in order to get elected, that would trickle up through the party fairly rapidly - but as it is there's a really big tension between the House partisans and the State governors versus the central party machine that don't, and can't, pull in the same direction. The central party has no chance.

But un-gerrymandering is turkeys and Christmas all over again.
 
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Joeytj

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SexyFish said:
"Mr. President, will you pledge not to issue a pardon to Hillary Clinton and her co conspirators for her many crimes to our country and society itself."

What the fuck Trump.
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Good lord. He's sleep deprived, high on rage and whatever he had at the debate.
 
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AntraxSuicide

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SexyFish said:
"They're probably hacking her all over the place, maybe we'll find out at a later date."

Trump hoping Assange bails him out.
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A more sinister reading of this is that Trump is basically doing the wink wink nudge nudge communication that people do with PACs, except his PAC is based in Moscow.
 
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phisheep

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SexyFish said:
"Mr. President, will you pledge not to issue a pardon to Hillary Clinton and her co conspirators for her many crimes to our country and society itself."

What the fuck Trump.
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"I'm certainly not going to pardon someone for crimes they have not been convicted of, that would be silly. But just for clarity, so everybody understands, I'm not going to pardon either candidate for anything."
 
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I have to say, one of my favorite things about this election is that it caused a civil war in the conservative media echo-chamber, and forced a few of them to do some soul searching about what they created.

Ive especially enjoyed reading pieces by people in the conservative media realizing it, the consequences of it, trying to come to terms with it, and offering solutions for it.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/02/m...-a-civil-war-within-the-right-wing-media.html

the NY times has a good piece on it recently that basically summarizes it, though it is mostly factual instead of analytical.
 
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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https://twitter.com/AJUpFront/status/781968194709762048

This is a ridiculous video, come the fuck on.

In Honduras, a leftist president was seeking to become a dictator, the right-wing party in Honduras took advantage of the president seeking to become a dictator and threw a coup to install themselves as president. Obama and Hillary were against the coup, but eventually relented as a compromise to the right since the president was a jerkoff anyway. Obama and Hillary thought that free elections would happen and the issue would be resolved democratically.

Democratic elections didn't go well, but this video is an extreme distortion of the truth.
 
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bigwinnerx

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Hacks against political folks and organizations won't just end on Nov 9. Even if Trump loses, these people (internally and externally) will continue to dig and hope to find something to lead to impeachment. Crazy.
 
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SexyFish

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"Obama wants the internet to be given to the world."


WHAT


And from the previous page:
https://twitter.com/NYTnickc/status/781972447411052544

Nick Corasaniti Verified account
‏@NYTnickc
.@costareports preview from Giuliani correct, Trump just now:
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ItWasMeantToBe19

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SexyFish said:
"Obama wants the internet to be given to the world."


WHAT
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It's a really dumb thing that has united the Republican party.

WHOEVER controls the internet’s address book has the power over life and death on the network. Delete a domain name (economist.com, for example), and a website can no longer be found and an e-mail no longer delivered.

Such authority currently falls under the auspices of America, but not for much longer. On October 1st the federal government is scheduled to let lapse a contract that gives it control over part of the Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN), the body that oversees the internet’s address system. Some—notably Ted Cruz, a Republican senator from Texas, who seems willing to risk a shutdown of the government to block the transfer—argue that this amounts to giving away the internet. He says that the handover would allow governments in autocratic countries such as China, Iran and Russia to have greater control over what is available online. In fact, the opposite is true.

It was the American government that helped bring ICANN to life in 1998, to avoid having the internet overseen by a UN-type intergovernmental organisation. Instead, it pushed for a “multi-stakeholder” model, which gives not just governments, but all involved—including engineers, network operators and even internet users—a say. Because there was no precedent for this kind of organisation and because of a fear that ICANN would lack legitimacy, America reserved to itself the right to veto changes to the internet’s master list of addresses, but promised to pull back once the new entity had proved itself.

When ICANN was created this set-up made sense: the internet had a strongly American flavour and most of its users were American. But now most netizens live elsewhere—China and India are home to the greatest number of them—and most traffic no longer passes over American cables. Following revelations in 2013 that the National Security Agency had spied on internet users around the world, pressure grew for America to fulfil its pledge and relinquish control. In 2014 the government in Washington, DC, duly said that it would do so, provided that ICANN was truly independent and that it was able to resist power grabs by other governments and commercial interests. After ICANN agreed to implement a number of reforms earlier this year, the Obama administration decided to give the organisation full responsibility.

It is right to do so. The internet is meant to be global. But it is at risk of splintering, whether as a result of national firewalls or rules mandating that certain types of data need to be stored within a country. Russia’s new data-localisation law, which came into effect on September 1st, for instance, requires that personal information from Russian citizens is kept in databases located in Russia. America’s withdrawal from its oversight role at ICANN will not stop the likes of China and Russia from trying to impose their own rules on their patch of the internet. But it will remove an obvious excuse for them to demand an even greater say in how it is run.

In contrast, blocking ICANN’s independence would weaken the consensus-driven model that has propelled the internet forward. The thorniest issues related to the internet, from cyber-security and hate speech to international data flows, are a complex mixture of the political and the technical. ICANN has its flaws, not least its hyper-bureaucratic processes, but it has shown that the multi-stakeholder model can solve tricky problems such as creating new suffixes for internet addresses. Almost 1.1 billion websites are currently online; global internet traffic will surpass 1 zettabyte for the first time this year, the equivalent of 152m years of high-definition video.
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http://www.economist.com/news/leade...surfdom?fsrc=scn/tw/te/pe/ed/theroadtosurfdom
 
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Paskil

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Re: Billy Boy Weld
Can't say it any better than I already said in OT.

I mean, Gary has been killing it lately. And by killing it, I mean killing his already infinitesimally minute chances of winning the presidency.
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Fox News national poll:

Hillary: 43%
Trump: 40%
Johnson: 8%
Stein: 4%

Head to head
Hillary: 49%
Trump: 44%

Debate winner:
Hillary: 61%
Trump: 21%
 
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Hooligan69

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ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
Trump is really going to attack Hillary over Monica at a Townhall:



http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/01/us/politics/hillary-bill-clinton-donald-trump.html?_r=0

Hillary about to end this man's entire career.



Nah.

Take the hacking of the DNC to try to help Trump. Everyone says "oh, wow, so smart, Putin getting someone who likes Russian into the white house!" but Putin is now poisoning relationships with Democrats and if he gets Trump elected, Trump will invade Iran (one of Russia's only allies).

Putin is amazing at finding chess moves that help him out two moves from now while killing him seven moves from now.
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All she has to do when he brings up Monica, besides let him dig his hole deeper, is talk about how Bill and her worked it out through forgiveness. Boom!
 
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