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PoliGAF 2016 |OT11| Well this is exciting
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Fenderputty
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I think this position is mostly bedwetting or whatever term is now being used here.
A. She's got 4 years of things to accomplish that we can't be sure of
B. Where will the economey be in 4 years
C. What makes you think somone less insane than trump will make it through the republican primary
Who even wants a manufacturing job? Sounds so distopian - hidden away in a factory doing a repetitive task. There's at least a menial amount of creativity afforded to service-sector workers.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Yeah, the Republican Primary in 2020 is the biggest "Who the fuck knows" of politics right now, lol.
RustyNails
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Hillary can shift focus back to the debate if he brings up mic issues saying "see? I told u guys I was having mic issues!!". All she has to do is say "Trump said he had mic issues at the debate. Yet we heard him loud and clear when he said he pays zero taxes, refuses to back down from birther issue,etc"
Voysa Reezun
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Minneapolis and Madison are great as well. I'd move to Minneapolis if I got a full-time job there, but it's too cold for my wife.
Madison, not so much because the GOP runs the state.
User 463088
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That's a good lead for Hillary in Lucas.
It's good assuming some of the IND and Aleppo votes come to her in the end. It's a solid baseline.
RustyNails
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Oh lord trump rally about to start in Michigan.
Crazy person guiliani is going apeshit
Crazy person guiliani is going apeshit
BlastProcessing
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shinra-bansho
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Orange chocker.
Has RUdy always been a scumbag or he has gotten worse?
I feel like at some point he snapped. I can't remember him being this insane.
Yes.
Aaron Strife
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We need some good post-debate polling out of Ohio and Iowa. All she needs is for the base to come home.
Considering she hasn't so much as set a toe into the Toledo area this whole season, I'd say it's crazy good. Lucas County republicans are crying for their maumee.
Diamond Joe broke him 8 years ago, he is now a soulless shell of a man wandering America on foot seeking attention.
I prefer "Doritos spray-tanned, idiot diet-hitler"
What is so important about Toledo?
RustyNails
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Orange Chocker is speaking
I got annoyed at having to decipher this document anew every day, so I made it into a graph.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V2RJlE8CCTIwgCHEDDQiXxZj3gMw_DxcC9CjwNoiNHc
User 463088
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Lucas is one of the areas I would think she'd be running significantly behind Obama's 2012 numbers, especially if the blue collar shtick Trump is trying out is actually working. I think the Aleppo people will come home or just not vote. Again, exit polls with pre-election polling etc, but that makes me feel pretty good.
If she can do marginally better than Obama in the suburbs in Cincy, Cleveland and Columbus, we'll be okay.
paradox121
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The more I think about it the more I realise it may be one of the most astute political moves in recent history. It worked on three fronts:
1. As you say, it gives massive catharsis to not only Machado but to anyone who's been belittled by Trump or a Trump-like figure over the course of their life. Which, unfortunately, is a vast swath of the populace.
2. It focuses the narrative about Trump down to a single figure. Yes, its easy (and incredibly accurate) to call him a racist, misogynistic xenophobe but showing that in practice, in a case study of sorts, helps humanise the issue and make it real.
You also have to assume the Clinton campaign took note of what happened with Khan post DNC. Trump and his team know how to respond to allegations of fraud and corruption and dodgy dealings - point the finger right back at the Clinton Foundation or shout EMAILS loudly. But when it's a single figure, like Khan and Machado, they totally lose it and desperately try to dig up something to discredit the figure, like (unsurprisingly) accusing Khan of having terrorist ties or Machado having a sex tape. But they forget that in politics that stuff only works with other politicians. Trying to discredit normal people just makes you look ten times worse.
3. It massively threw Trump off balance. Because it was equal parts a big deal and something that had been mostly forgotten about he had no clue how to deal with it. As much as he was unprepared for the debate generally, this was something he was doubly unprepared for, and so he's basically doubled down in an attempt to act like everything's totally fine. Which it isn't.
The whole thing is just a work of beauty.
phisheep
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I guess a big influence on that will be how much Trump loses by. If he loses narrowly, he will be a thorn in the flesh of the GOP until he dies - he'll carry his base with him and will be the kingmaker in the primaries. If he loses very badly, he'll either grump off into the sunset or be pushed out by the rest of the party.
Or he'll be in jail.
So, basically the entirety of the rest of the campaign is going to be Dems baiting a dumb guy into getting angry and saying dumb things.
This is probably the most solid strategy. He'll probably call Elizabeth Warren an Ugly Redskin and then double down on building the wall 30 days before the election at this point.
StopMakingSense
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A man who can't cope with the fact that he peaked, holding out hope for a cabinet appointment by whoever will have him.
shinra-bansho
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Someone should get him some water then. Snifff.
Randolph Freelander
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Chuck Todd is about to talk to Bill Weld, expected to ask about being this year's Nader.
Yeah. At first I was nervous until I saw the 21% undecided number. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 35% win in that county on election night. But yeah, Strickland is done.
Voysa Reezun
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This is the thing. We badly need welders and machinists where I live, and I have students come through my classes every quarter who know this and are in school to pursue these stable, high-paying careers. I'd love a higher ed bill that focuses on two- and four-year degrees at public tech and community colleges. We can get people back to work in jobs like this.
Combine that with an infrastructure bill, and we can really attack unemployment efficiently in the Rust Belt (and in other places, of course). It's worthwhile spending.
Hillary's debate performance really accelerated the Democrats' absentee requests this past week. She needs to do well in the next two debates and take it home.I got annoyed at having to decipher this document anew every day, so I made it into a graph.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V2RJlE8CCTIwgCHEDDQiXxZj3gMw_DxcC9CjwNoiNHc
I got annoyed at having to decipher this document anew every day, so I made it into a graph.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1V2RJlE8CCTIwgCHEDDQiXxZj3gMw_DxcC9CjwNoiNHc
Can we get a dotted line comparison to 2012?
This speech is a mess in general. Absolute word salad but and the idiots in the crowd eat it up so Trump thinks it's a success.
nature boy
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Orange Menace is sniffing quite a bit.
At the rate this is going he's gonna graduate to Heroin before the second debate.
Fenderputty
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The establishment wanted to moderate some after Romney lost and this is what we got. Right wing radio and media outlets control the messaging and the freedom caucus still exists to threaten their seats if they move left. It's really quite the pickle. I have no idea how they get out of it. This base isn't going to become less racist and more welcoming of minorities in 4 years
User 463088
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Hillary would never say this. We Democrats know it's easier to vote after you're dead.
I don't have the data for that, except I saw the other day the dem line is currently about half of what it was 2012 --- ostensibly due to a "change" in Dem strategy in pursuing absentee voters this year, where the ballots are being sent and received later.
If someone found the data I could put it in, at least weekly.
Beer Monkey
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That's what I've been saying. The only way they keep a white nationalist from getting the nomination in 2020 is if they change the rules. Superdelegates, fitness tests, and so on. Some non-democratic method of disqualification.
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