Everyone knows Trump is the awful one, that's why conservatives are rallying around Cruz, a principled responsible decent conservative.
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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida
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Everyone knows Trump is the awful one, that's why conservatives are rallying around Cruz, a principled responsible decent conservative.
shinra-bansho
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It's almost hard to believe Trump is as high as 30% with women.
Is it weird that when I see that I still hear the Shamwow song?
Obama and Bill going to be like
Is it weird that when I see that I still hear the Shamwow song?
When I say 'I want to patrol Muslim neighborhoods,' I meant that in the compassionate way though
I posted about how, no, tertiary education isn't a right yesterday.
Oh, yeah, sorry. I tend not to respond to people if we're mostly agreeing.
I mostly agree with this, but it's interesting that you separate job preparedness entirely from education. I think it is a reasonable statement to make to suggest that if people need X amount of education to be able to get jobs effectively, then we should make it very easy to get X amount of education. (Another way of saying "get jobs effectively" is "provide useful labor to society," after all.)
Would you argue that literacy and numeracy are currently sufficient for the labor market?
shinra-bansho
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I think there's definitely a negative stigma around vocational careers. But I imagine high schools have reputational considerations in pushing kids to colleges.
I would say though that if university is to become a universal part of the education process paid for by society, then it needs to either actually provide essential and fundamental skills that will be universally applicable to employers or be shaped not by follow your dreams choices by the actual needs of the employment market.
I'm sure some people hate this idea. But if the public is paying then it needs to provide public return beyond the individual finding themselves or some such.
Edit: pigeon I was typing this on my phone before in response to Suikoguy although it somewhat addresses your question too. I don't think the credentials actually equate to job preparedness.
I would say though that if university is to become a universal part of the education process paid for by society, then it needs to either actually provide essential and fundamental skills that will be universally applicable to employers or be shaped not by follow your dreams choices by the actual needs of the employment market.
I'm sure some people hate this idea. But if the public is paying then it needs to provide public return beyond the individual finding themselves or some such.
Edit: pigeon I was typing this on my phone before in response to Suikoguy although it somewhat addresses your question too. I don't think the credentials actually equate to job preparedness.
Mrs. Manky
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But he /has/ admitted that Trump is "big", so I'm sure that Big Don is content with the rest.
Definitely. It's why I was okay with tuition fees going up in the UK. They don't have to be paid up front, so it doesn't make higher education unaffordable for anyone, but it does help as a rationing incentive to encourage people not to take unnecessary degrees.
Speaking of, man am I glad I did a lot of stats. Do stats people, it's great.
Orbis Tabula
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I only post election stuff for the most part because it's all I understand. All the actual policy stuff is so far outside my wheelhouse that I don't have much to add. Just here to learn and stuff. But I very much appreciate them when they do come up.
Aaron Strife
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Still no Department of Polling huh? Bah.Update:
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Come on Ivy, give me your spot. I've been waiting for you! you can also make the case for bumping someone.
Can I be ambassador to Canada? That seems easy enough. Plus I'm Minnesotan so I'm basically one of them already.
This video narrated by Donald Trump is going viral in Europe.
Check out that view counter.
I'd make a thread if I could.
Check out that view counter.
I'd make a thread if I could.
Or rather, work to remove the stigma from vocational careers. If we do free college, then we also do free trade school.
No wonder you're not allowed to make threads you could have descibed the vile xenophobic video for what it was.
And worse still you have to connect to access it because there's a content warning and now I'll have to contend with shitty stuff on my youtube suggestions to go along with it.
Fuck that shit, Youtube's horrible algorithm will fuck my feeds with shitty xenophobic crap like I just watched a GG video now!
I put myself forward for the position of Tech. Advisor to Pres. (or something to that effect).
Credentials: managed to convert the "hot mess" that was YouTube in the first PS3 browser (an IE clone), into something half decent, including a sweet, custom Playlist bar (overall, required crap ton of JavaScript...).
Credentials: managed to convert the "hot mess" that was YouTube in the first PS3 browser (an IE clone), into something half decent, including a sweet, custom Playlist bar (overall, required crap ton of JavaScript...).
User 463088
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I've always been of the mindset that Adult Vocational Education should be absolutely free. One thing that the school system in Florida did very well was how they priced vocational schools. A year long program could be easily paid for with a Pell Grant (if you had financial need) or with a Subsidized Stafford Loan. The career schools in Ohio, on the other hand, are insanely expensive, comparatively. A Medical Assistant program costs nearly double the nursing program in Florida, and has less than half of the utility.
So rather than confront it you'd prefer to pretend it doesn't exist? That'll make the world a better place I'm sure.
Tesseract
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triggered, did cerium rustle your jimmies?
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Can't you remove it from your watch history?
shinra-bansho
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So, responding more specifically to your post here. I'm not sure about the numeracy and literacy figures for college grads, they are presumably higher than just those with high school education; although that may be a failing of the secondary education system in terms of delivering these more basic skills.
But I think beyond being a checkbox much of the time, perhaps as a proxy for better literacy/numeracy, an undergraduate degree as structured now doesn't necessarily actually provide job-preparedness, beyond specialised professional degrees which are typically graduate school in the US anyway.
It's basically the result of creeping credentialism.
It's an expensive checkbox. And when everyone can tick it, then the checkbox just moves up to graduate degrees.
Some employers like PwC and Penguin Random House are actually moving away from requiring degrees from candidates. So there's that.
Also, lost from this discussion is ever any talk about reining in the costs of colleges. Rather than just making them free for all.
And as someone noted above, improving the perception and value of vocational education is really something that should be happening.
Also, I don't really care when no one responds to me.
Although I die inside a little.
Black Republican
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i wanna be an evil lobbyist
I don't give a shit about extreme right propaganda vids.
I don't need to watch ISIS propaganda to know the extent of far the deep end they go.
1 thing I actually like is however not having to deal with youtube putting shitty extreme right propaganda shit when I'm looking at a trailer for Dark Souls for example.
I wouldn't have mind if I could have managed to see in incognito mode or something.
Far from efficient because youtube's algorithm is shite.
On top of that I'll have the displeasure of having to deal with that if I use youtube on my phone.
Fantastic in making my life shittier for no reason.
Giant Panda
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I think Tay should be the press secretary.
Then you have no fucking moral standing to be lecturing anyone. Piss off.
User 463088
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Cerium.
This is a really good point. Whilst there are some jobs that you need a degree for, even if they're not directly on the same subject (certain engineering/finance/analysis jobs generally need more than high school maths for example) a lot of jobs these days ask for a degree just because so many people have these days.
I suspect the best way to deal with this is to try and make vocational training more affordable and more easily available, as well as more employers who are willing to take people without degrees.
titiklabingapat
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RIP Cerium. Please come back soon. Btw, I meant to ask, so your avatar gets hidden whenever you get banned now?
Mrs. Manky
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People, Cleveland needs prayers, thoughts, and vibes:
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/03/24/3000-people-have-signed-a-petition-demanding-open-carry-inside-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc
Because open carry within the Q during what will probably be an emotional convention is exactly what we need.
EDIT: The article is about a petition that demands open carry of guns inside the Quicken Loans Arena during the RNC.
http://www.clevescene.com/scene-and-heard/archives/2016/03/24/3000-people-have-signed-a-petition-demanding-open-carry-inside-quicken-loans-arena-during-the-rnc
Because open carry within the Q during what will probably be an emotional convention is exactly what we need.
EDIT: The article is about a petition that demands open carry of guns inside the Quicken Loans Arena during the RNC.
eBay Huckster
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i volunteer
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User 463088
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My problem with this is that it falls too much into the concept that the only potential value of education to society is economic, and worse, that that benefit can only be a first order effect. If we dismiss human interests that don't contribute directly and immediately to GDP, we close off a lot of avenues of creativity and ingenuity that may pay off further down the line, if not in general quality of life, then perhaps in disruptive concepts that take us outside our normal paradigms to even better places. Someone could study a field that's currently completely worthless as far as making money goes, and could end up inventing or discovering something that would greatly advance things. It's a tiny probability on the individual level, but over the aggregate of millions of people there is potential value to society.
Human beings are at their best when they are interested and engaged, and that's where the potential for real discovery and advancement has its best chance. There may be an argument to be made that allowing everyone to pursue absolutely anything they want is something we can't yet afford, but as we move closer to post-scarcity, that's really where we need to end up.
I personally view the concept of human rights as an ever growing space, driven by what humanity is capable of providing. Ultimately, the opportunity to pursue personal education to one's satisfaction should be in it.
Cleveland always needs your prayers.
Hey, its not that bad. Always remember, at least you're not Michigan.
RastaMentality
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Where's the discussion about Bernie suing the DNC?
Stay Strong and Safe League of Mankys
Macho Madness
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Isn't it the old suit from December?
RastaMentality
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So much crazy has happened since then I forgot about that. He seems to be still pushing it though.
Source? I thought Walker was potentially endorsing next week. Bush just endorsed Cruz.
The fact that they fear ISIS attacking them at the convention more than they fear one of their own rioting as Trump has mentioned is pretty funny though.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...sement-decision-next-week-for-maximum-impact/
It's obviously not a solid endorsement... but I mean it basically is.
Obviously a lot of minimum wage unskilled labor you don't need any other skills, but I assume you aren't talking about that
I think some office jobs like data entry clerk, admin, etc you don't necessarily need more than literacy and numeracy. Obviously when you start to get to more critical thinking centered positions like a developer or engineer you're usually going to need more education. People skills are another thing, since you generally have to pick those up on your own and aren't formally taught them, yet they are the most important skill in a number of jobs.
She seems to mostly spit out incoherent jibberish lol. But it's not exactly inaccurate for trying to mimic a teenager.
So many "DM me bb so we can chat w/e
" tweetsYou're talking about this thread I guess.
But otherwise I guess people don't want to talk it here for some reason?
Sorry for Cerium, I know enough of the BS the European extreme right pull on the web to not have to deal with that BS when I'm chilling on my phone looking at what funny cat vid to watch next.
These idiots in France sent text messages to parents to remove their kids from preschool and elementary schools because supposedly teacher were "having courses on gender studies and telling boys they had to wear dresses" or something.
There is no bottom to how low the far right will go in Europe, believe me we check...regularly.
I mean, it's scraping the bottle of the barrel but if any phrase ever summarized Ohio it would be that.
I'm kidding, I don't hate Ohio that much
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