Yeah but your comment was about the bombings being less important than voter suppression. So if we accept that young people care more about overseas bombing, you make a further claim that they don't care about voter suppression, and are therefore hypocritical?
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Macho Madness
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They're Washington/Oregon salt-of-the-earth white liberals.
I know because I lived in Idaho and still have my tendencies.
And_Gignac
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Sanders is making Flinton unviable in Washington. Just you watch.
cartoon_soldier
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You take that back
Macho Madness
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We have one sorta poll thing from Hawaii:
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=54070a74ee0112ffad336ad28&id=d104b2e1c8&e=0e411e3b04
It's an online survey only taken by those 35 or younger members of the Oahu Young Democrats. Anyway:
Clinton 63
Bernie 37
Remember, grain of salt.
http://us8.campaign-archive2.com/?u=54070a74ee0112ffad336ad28&id=d104b2e1c8&e=0e411e3b04
It's an online survey only taken by those 35 or younger members of the Oahu Young Democrats. Anyway:
Clinton 63
Bernie 37
Remember, grain of salt.
When you come from a place of privilege, it's really easy to only care about things that affect you. And I'm not including just young people. It's true for everyone, it's just that young people on the Internet are the most vocal demographic ever. So when all the white so-called Sanders supporters in Arizona had to wait in line for hours to vote or were turned away because they registered as Democrats passed the deadline, all of a sudden they care about voter suppression, the same type of suppression that has plagued minority communities for years in red states. They were pretty silent when it happened I'm states Clinton won.
And in case you didn't catch my sarcasm, no, I don't think Millenials in general care about drone strikes in the Middle East and northern Africa.
Macho Madness
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Also of note: The Hawaii Democratic caucus is more like a GOP caucus. As in, no standing in rooms waiting to be counted. It's a secret ballot caucus.
See, THAT is a much better and more substantial answer than responding with a quote from another opinion piece and highlighting a sentence from it.
I've already stated that I think reducing what happened in Libya as "lobbying for regime change" removes a lot important context. Apparently, a lot of people believed that Gadaffi was about to slaughter a whole lot of people. Obama included.
As for everything else you mentioned, I don't hold those views as solely Clinton's as she isn't the only politician to express them (or even the only Democrat), nor do I think any of those examples are any indication that Hillary's looking to get the US involved in another ground war or drawn-out conflict. Especially when she's saying she's not. I guess I'm looking for quotes or direct inferences on her part, because I'm not aware of any, so I'm confused as to why Hillary is consistently referred to as a hawk more than most people.
I guess I reserve a term like "hawk" for the right, where we are seeing open and blatant calls for full-on war.
Tesseract
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Maybe Google a few polls, millenials oppose drone strikes.
As for voter suppression, that's just not true. You can't make sweeping generalizations like that without significant evidence
So basically Sanders is doing well in the whitest of the white states, excluding Hawaii.
You're sort of all over the place now because you think you had some witty observation. There's no way to know whether these two groups of people even overlap.
Officerrob
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Bernie does great with:
Young voters
White voters
Caucus voters
Independent voters
Very liberal voters
When you have a state that's mostly white, very liberal, and holding a caucus, look out
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
The 538 Demographic based target for Hillary is 61/142 delegates, those numbers would put it higher than that. I also think there is good chance she wins Hawaii, but it's worth like 2 delegates. If he can't get a blowout in Washington, his campaign is double over, it would be out of his hands at that point and criminal to continue fundraising since it requires something to happen beyond his control to win.
Officerrob
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I agree, the demographics of that state just favor him so much
Abinash117
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Opposing drone strikes can be mostly opposing it just based on principle not as a thing you do particularly care deeply about. Meaning no rallying against a candidate that supports it, but maybe just saying you don't support and that's it. If Bernie just says he supports drone strikes and give no context will people just drop support? Very very few would. Drone strikes are not a priority to people and you can't give evidence that it is a major position to most people for them to vote against some that supports it.
RustyNails
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I heard Bernie's ExIm bank stuff didn't play well there?
Aaron Strife
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That would be a less than desirable result for Bernie in Washington.
Think Hawaii could go Hillary (perhaps even easily) but I won't hold my breath.
Also it happened - Obama hit 53 on Gallup today. My boiiiiii.
We'll see, Boeing is a big presence in the state.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
He seems to really be benefiting from the GOP Dumpster Fire
Which is even more bad news for the GOP, since that was not a guarantee.
Macho Madness
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It wasn't. It was supposed to be Jeb Bush easy street because he followed W's plan and outraised everyone else by a mile early on, and the RNC changed the rules after 2012 so that a front runner could run away with the nomination once it was clear. If anything, the party likely saw it as being a Rubio/Bush fight with Cruz being the Santorum of this cycle. They would have been happy with either Rubio or Bush.
Ironically enough, Trump may have not gotten in the race at all if Jeb wasn't running. Trump didn't think Jeb could win a general election and that he was weak on illegal immigration.
California. See Nevada Latino exit polls.
eBay Huckster
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fwiw, this specific thread may be pro-hillary
but neogaf is only pro-hillary relative to the social media echo chambers where it's regularly 85-15 or worse for sanders. i think the split's something like 65-35 here
Yup, Obama proving once again that Bernie's narcissistic call for primarying Obama in 2012 was shortsighted, moronic, and nothing but self serving politicking.
Wafflecakes
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You mean the exit polls that no one thinks were accurate?
excelsiorlef
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It's pretty funny how little this gets mentioned other than usually by me.
I assume this is a joke post, made me chuckle
And_Gignac
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Yeah and plenty of racial and religious minorities identify as independent or liberal. So this white narrative is kind of erasing.
How about Illinois exit polls though?
Aaron Strife
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I really hope he gets to leave office with like 60% approval.
He came in with a little under 70 and I think post-presidency that's about where he'll land. Democrats/left-leaning Independents will love him, the more middle of the road Indies will think he was decent, and even a few conservatives will begrudgingly admit he wasn't so bad. Solid top 10 candidate, the only people who will still have it out for him are hardcore partisans and genuine racists.
Now let's just hope his successor won't actively work to undermine everything he ever stood for. Luckily that doesn't seem too likely, but you never know.
Macho Madness
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So it looks like Hillary's best hope is to keep Sanders' margins down in Seattle because he's going to take the rest of the state. Benchmark is finding Seattle to be a lot closer than people expected so far.
One precinct in a heavy Asian area tied, and a heavily white precinct went 59-41 Sanders.
One precinct in a heavy Asian area tied, and a heavily white precinct went 59-41 Sanders.
cartoon_soldier
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Hillary getting 0 votes in precincts, by god lord.
Macho Madness
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Where are you seeing this?
Wafflecakes
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What time are we expecting Washington results to start coming in?
cartoon_soldier
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Twitter, Reddit
Not at all. The Latino exit polls also predict a retroactive win in Arizona and possibly Texas.
cartoon_soldier
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Macho Madness
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Thanks.
You can watch some caucuses on periscope
https://www.periscope.tv/theerinhanson/1nAKEoNDylkJL
https://twitter.com/angietanae/status/713780067965345792
https://www.periscope.tv/theerinhanson/1nAKEoNDylkJL
https://twitter.com/angietanae/status/713780067965345792
Macho Madness
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cartoon_soldier
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Just posting results mon
And_Gignac
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