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PoliGAF 2016 |OT3| You know what they say about big Michigans - big Florida

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Makai

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These are my rankings if "ready to be president" means passing an agenda.

Hillary - 5. Republicans are blocking everything. Might be able to get some 90s-style compromises in. Will veto ObamaCare repeal.

Bernie - 2. Republicans are blocking literally everything.

Trump - 9. His base doesn't care about policy and he has a lot of flexibility to "make deals," which is his whole thing. The other interpretation is that he will transform America into a fascist state, which is a pretty big policy goal.

Cruz - 10. His job is to veto every bill that comes across his desk and this will be very effective in accomplishing his agenda. Might face constitutional challenge.

Kasich - 7. I don't know what his agenda is, but he'll have the House behind him.

Rubio - 3. "thank God it's finally over" are the first words I imagine coming out of his mouth.
 
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Slayven

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Macho Madness said:
What's going on in Iowa?

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708789694117445632

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708792355076177920
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ivysaur12

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Macho Madness said:
What's going on in Iowa?

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708789694117445632

https://twitter.com/BernieSanders/status/708792355076177920
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I'm not exactly as well versed in this process, so someone else correct me:

Back in Feb, the IA caucuses only nominated county-level delegates that would then go on later (today) to vote for their presidential preference of choice. It's a stupid process and the entire thing is dumb like caucuses.

I guess that a significant amount of Hillary delegates (and to a less extent, Bernie delegates in other parts of the state) just didn't show up, allowing Bernie to win Polk County even though he lost Polk.
 
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Macho Madness

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ivysaur12 said:
I'm not exactly as well versed in this process, so someone else correct me:

Back in Feb, the IA caucuses only nominated county-level delegates that would then go on later (today) to vote for their presidential preference of choice. It's a stupid process and the entire thing is dumb like caucuses.

I guess that a significant amount of Hillary delegates (and to a less extent, Bernie delegates in other parts of the state) just didn't show up, allowing Bernie to win Polk County even though he lost Polk.
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That sounds right.
 
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ivysaur12

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Macho Madness said:
That sounds right.
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I guess now the Polk County Dem party didn't accept the initial results because it didn't reflect the preference voting in February, which is both fair and unfair. The Hillary camp still hasn't reported their numbers. My guess is they're probably still waiting for their delegates to show up.

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Bernie's campaign needs to be more careful shouting fraud. No one is stealing the election from you. Christ.
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Exactly. That's really not what this is. I'd be very careful with that word.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Sander's twitter fucks up more than Hillary's recent gaffes.
 
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ivysaur12

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So Des Moines Dem is really trying to understand what's happening, and s/he is pretty sure this isn't fraud or a conspiracy, just general confusion on the ground.

SO FUN CAUCUSES SUCK

@desmoinesdem
From what I gather, HRC group called for re-credentialing of dels,delaying process. Bernie folks say dirty trick. Bleeding Heartland added,
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Cerium

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HylianTom said:
I'm trying to retain good will towards Bernie, but damn if he (or his campaign) isn't making it difficult.
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Some of that negative energy is now being directed towards Trump for a change, which is good. That can be healthy. I'm not going to complain about people getting under Trump's skin and exposing him for the general electorate. Sanders is still no threat to win the nomination, so I look at everything he says and does in terms of how it might affect November.

He's frequently unhelpful, as we've all seen, but a real fight between Trump and Sanders supporters sets the stage for a very motivated base going forward.
 
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HylianTom

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Cerium said:
Some of that negative energy is now being directed towards Trump for a change, which is good. That can be healthy. I'm not going to complain about people getting under Trump's skin and exposing him for the general electorate.
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That's fantastic, and much more constructive for long-term goals.

This snippy snippy bs is just getting damn tiresome, especially when we're at near-metaphysical certitude on how our nomination process ends.
 
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Cerium

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pigeon said:
I'm starting to kind of wish there was a Democratic candidate in the race besides Hillary Clinton.
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She's a bad politician but I think she will be a good President.

I'd be more worried if the Republicans weren't melting down Thank God for Donald Trump.
 
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Effect

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A fraud charge is significant and you better be damn sure before tossing that around. Especially when Sanders is very likely already on the Dem Party shit list. They're not really going to rush to his defense and if he's proven wrong he's just made things worse for himself.
 
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Suikoguy

I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Effect said:
A fraud charge is significant and you better be damn sure before tossing that around. Especially when Sanders is very likely already on the Dem Party shit list. They're not really going to rush to his defense and if he's proven wrong he's just made things worse for himself.
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The whole idea of the Sanders campaign is to define something impossible, then make it a reality, somehow, so it's not that crazy for his campaign. ;)
 
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Diablos

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Macho Madness said:
Well it's gotten to the point on my Twitter where I can't tell if the attacks on Hillary come from conservatives or liberals.

I think an astute observation is that she has definitely lost the benefit of the doubt. Out of context quotes are scrutinized and used to attack her. I want primary season to be over so badly.
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Why? You don't think these problems will carry over in the general? Hillary is not as inevitable as we thought
 
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Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
At first I was infuriated with the idea that the RNC would ignore voters and plug Romney in the nomination slot.

Now, I'm 100% for that. He is exponentially less crazy than any candidate left on the GOP side.
 
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Diablos

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Plinko said:
At first I was infuriated with the idea that the RNC would ignore voters and plug Romney in the nomination slot.

Now, I'm 100% for that. He is exponentially less crazy than any candidate left on the GOP side.
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I hate to say it but this is true.
 
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RustyNails

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Plinko said:
At first I was infuriated with the idea that the RNC would ignore voters and plug Romney in the nomination slot.

Now, I'm 100% for that. He is exponentially less crazy than any candidate left on the GOP side.
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No fuck that. Burn the party to the ground. You really want to parachute Romney in and save the party? How is that less fucked than letting Trump drive the burning clownbus to election?
 
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Diablos

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fantomena said:
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He's gone beyond just competing with Hillary, he has been way out of bounds on stuff (i.e. acting as though a Hillary policy solely is responsible for Detroit being such a mess) causing bitter division between Democratic voters.

I'm really getting tired of this loud-mouthed arrogant "Socialist" getting away with the double standards, time and time and time again.
 
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royalan

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Macho Madness said:
Well it's gotten to the point on my Twitter where I can't tell if the attacks on Hillary come from conservatives or liberals.

I think an astute observation is that she has definitely lost the benefit of the doubt. Out of context quotes are scrutinized and used to attack her. I want primary season to be over so badly.
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Sad thing is, after all this time I think it's starting to get to her. Her response to that trust question in the Univision debate was hard to hear as a supporter of hers.

Also, this is exactly why she doesn't release those speeches.
 
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B-Dubs

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royalan said:
Sad thing is, after all this time I think it's starting to get to her. Her response to that trust question in the Univision debate was hard to hear as a supporter of hers.

Also, this is exactly why she doesn't release those speeches.
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The thing is, if there's a politician who has never had the benefit of the doubt it'd be her. Rightly or wrongly.

Seeing the sort of shit coming out of Bernie's campaign--that recent tweet is pretty goddamn funny considering the shit he pulled with the "not a real liberal" thing earlier in the year--she probably feels it's unfair that he's getting away with far more than anyone else ever could. Had her team, just as an example, been on the wrong side of the data breach it would have been the end of the campaign. Bernie raised money off it.
 
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