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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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Farmboy

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If she does not pick Warren, it means her campaign is pretty confident that she will win.

Perez and Stavrides are undervalued imo, for picks that have been confirmed as having gone through vetting. Some positive buzz for Perez in particular. Only downside is that it might tie Hillary too close to Obama should the economy (jobs numbers in particular) worsen.

Probably gonna be Kaine though.
 

Wilsongt

Member
Bah. Sexy older man who wants to date me is throwing out Trump rhetoric that ISIS is here to kill us and BLM is a domestic terroris group.
 

Goodstyle

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If she does not pick Warren, it means her campaign is pretty confident that she will win.

Tom Vilsack should be disqualified as a pick simply because of his horrendous last name. You can't find much success in mainstream politics with a name that brings to mind the words "vile" and "sack".
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
The thing is that we're not really that polarized or divided on the actual issues. If you take politics out of it and just ask people how they feel about most major policy, you'll find the majority of Americans agree. Most want universal healthcare, stricter gun control, higher tax rates for the rich, less foreign intervention, etc.....

That's the sort of thinking that gets you into trouble. When you assume there's a silent majority behind you it means you stop using good arguments and start appealing to this idea that everyone agrees with you. Implementation is important, we should be arguing over that, but deciding that we all want something is a mistake.
 
It's not that weird for a marine to be a gun nut, but it is pretty weird when a marine joins an anti-government organization.

It's part of that cognitive dissonance on the 2nd Amendment that an Onion headline summed up: "Support the Troops Until You Have to Kill Them."

Anti-gov't people love cops and soldiers because for some reason they think a tyrannical government's military would be staffed exclusively by bureaucrats and tax collectors.
 
The thing is that we're not really that polarized or divided on the actual issues. If you take politics out of it and just ask people how they feel about most major policy, you'll find the majority of Americans agree. Most want universal healthcare, stricter gun control, higher tax rates for the rich, less foreign intervention, etc.....

Ehh, no.

Questions like: "Should we ban assault weapons?" "Should we ban Muslims from the nation?" "Do you want an invasion of Syria to defeat ISIS" are questions that get 50/50 responses.
 

Wilsongt

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That's the sort of thinking that gets you into trouble. When you assume there's a silent majority behind you it means you stop using good arguments and start appealing to this idea that everyone agrees with you. Implementation is important, we should be arguing over that, but deciding that we all want something is a mistake.

Can we even say silent majorities exist anymore? I would argue that was blown wide open as soon as Trump burst onto then scene.
 
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I can't....
 

pigeon

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You mean up to the same quality as your crazy hypothetical question last night about what we should do if Obama, a constitutional lawyer and law abiding citizen, suddenly refused to step down from the presidency?

I mean, I think democracy's value is worth discussing. The question of whether we value democracy in itself, or because of its effectiveness, is kind of implicit in a lot of political discussion recently (for example, it comes up a lot when talking about Brexit). I am always interested to see people's perspectives on that topic, so I wanted to raise some questions related to it. I think it's worth asking whether, if our democratic system elected a leader who would explicitly destroy most of its values, people would prioritize the democracy or the values.

Frankly, this seems like the kind of topic you should be interested in, since you are one of the most prominent people on the "democracy sucks" side of the argument.

If people think that discussion is boring or stupid they should come out and say so. I found the topic interesting.

Okay Mr. "you make zero effort to read the posts other people make", let me give you a rundown of the posts from the last five hours which prove you are 100% wrong.

None of those posts prove your argument at all. If your argument was "people are talking about gun control because of mass shootings," that would be somewhat more defensible. (Although still not great, because as noted below, the progressive push for gun control goes back to like the 80s.) But your claim was about race war narratives. That is stupid! None of the people in this thread, and approximately zero percent of the people in real life, who are discussing gun control are driven to gun control by race war narratives. PoliGAF has been talking about gun control regularly since like Sandy Hook (and sometimes before that, but Manos got banned). The liberal position on gun control has been steady for like forty years. So your post is not just wrong, it's bewilderingly, obviously wrong.

So yes, if you really don't think the only reason we're talking about gun control right now is because cops got killed and the media is on full blast with its latest tragedy porn primetime performance, you live on another planet entirely.

I mean, if your new position is "sometimes PoliGAF talks about policy responses to current events," then sure. You did not make that position particularly clear in your first post.

You're annoyed all of the time. I can't help that.

I am not annoyed all the time, but the fact that you think that I'm annoyed all the time is worth considering!

Unlike many people in this thread, I don't think you are actively trolling. That's why I try to engage with your posts in general. Posts like the one I responded to make that harder.

Besides the fact that I just pointed out you are wrong, I want to state that I was making a broader argument in response to a cultural leftist obsession with gun control, and elaborating on my personal sense of dissatisfaction with the media and its priorities that I have stated in here a few times over the past week, not necessarily responding to anyone in this thread.

Your argument is actually way worse in the general case. The Brady Bill was passed in 1993! Leftists have been fighting for gun control for literally decades because of the epidemic of gun deaths, not because of the mass shootings that only became common in this millenium. A large part of my first post is devoted to explaining exactly why the traditional progressive concerns about and goals for gun control are focused on issues that are very different from the ones you would be interested in to prevent mass shootings.
 

NeoXChaos

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That's the sort of thinking that gets you into trouble. When you assume there's a silent majority behind you it means you stop using good arguments and start appealing to this idea that everyone agrees with you. Implementation is important, we should be arguing over that, but deciding that we all want something is a mistake.

thread goes up tonight or tomorrow night.
 
Perez and Stavrides are undervalued imo, for picks that have been confirmed as having gone through vetting. Some positive buzz for Perez in particular. Only downside is that it might tie Hillary too close to Obama should the economy (jobs numbers in particular) worsen.

Probably gonna be Kaine though.

They are good candidates, but do not excite the base. With her bad favourability, does she Warren on the ticket to ignite the base (plus piss off Trump)? That's why, IMO if it's not Warren they're fairly confident they can win.

Tom Vilsack should be disqualified as a pick simply because of his horrendous last name. You can't find much success in mainstream politics with a name that brings to mind the words "vile" and "sack".

Yep, but he does seems to be in the list.
 
Phillp Atiba Goff is awesome.

He just used a metaphor describing the country as a healthy family and said that "A family where the husband is against the wife, or the husband is against the husband, or the wife is against the wife...."

INCLUSION!
 

Plinko

Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Antonio Sabato Jr. is speaking at the RNC convention? LOL
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
So does the RNC go all day? Like can I just expect the trash to flood my paper in the morning or do I have to watch for updates all day
 
So does the RNC go all day? Like can I just expect the trash to flood my paper in the morning or do I have to watch for updates all day

CSPAN coverage begins at 1:00pm. They air the whole thing, boring shit and all. I plan on watching most of it.
 
Leslie is killing them. "So he's allowed to (vote for the Iraq war) but she's not?"

Trump: "he's allowed to make a few mistakes."

Leslie: "and she's not. Ok."
 
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