He is liberal on some social issues though. Pot, gay marriage. Could sway some people on the fence about Hilldawg because they don't like her.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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Mike Pence is an insane person:
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...man-out-of-you?utm_term=.nfBZXO3O4#.py4NlG2Ga
https://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkacz...man-out-of-you?utm_term=.nfBZXO3O4#.py4NlG2Ga
Post a poll that shows that I guess. Until then let's not worry okay?
Ah yes, because fiction is so realistic
Haven't there been polls where Hillary goes down when he's an option?
Swear I remember seeing at least one.
Spoiled Milk
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Gun control shouldn't be as huge of an issue as it is because capitalism, welfare programs, and drug rehabilitation has done far more to reduce violence and homicides than gun control ever has.
The only reason we ever talk about it is because the media knows RACE WAR and COPS TARGETTED sells.
The only reason we ever talk about it is because the media knows RACE WAR and COPS TARGETTED sells.
You should try to make better arguments than this. Almost none of the discussion of gun control has anything to do with the media or the cop killings that have been taking place. This post actually makes me pretty annoyed because it suggests that you make zero effort to read and understand the posts other people make or the reasons for them.
Me too -- I can't find it.
BlastProcessing
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Yeah, I remember after Sandy Hook how all of the gun control people were screaming about RACE WAR and COPS TARGETED.
What they should have been talking about is how more capitalism, welfare and drug rehabilitation could have prevented it. The media really is culpable.
Well yes they both go down by nature of their being a third option but that, to my knowledge never caused her to drop below his support. Also polls this far out don't matter anyway, so diablos don't worry, be happy, cause every little thing is gonna be alright.
Aaron Strife
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They both go down with Johnson, but Trump tends to moreso.
Is that really a surprise? There's plenty of people on the left who just want to back a third party just because. Nothing to get too hot and bothered by.
Is that really a surprise? There's plenty of people on the left who just want to back a third party just because. Nothing to get too hot and bothered by.
AntraxSuicide
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I've always taken a pocketbook stance on it, in that I think gun owners should be required to have insurance on their weapons that kicks in if the weapon is stolen. If it's determined by your insurance company that you weren't securing your weapon, then they won't cover damages (which would include any damage as a result of the weapon being stolen).
I'm in favor of gun control measures (pretty much all of them). I think my main point is that liberals (probably due to being very technocratic right now, which I like) tend to bring up arguments against gun control often with GOP talking points, which are frequently semantic. A huge pet peeve of mine is when liberals pull out the "there's no such thing as an assault weapon" line. Who fucking cares?
We should be using the GOP playbook on abortion for guns. Any way to reduce them should be a win, but we undercut ourselves so much before coming to the national stage with a plan.
I had the idea that we should have a linked database for gun ownership that also connects to county clerk offices so that if a gun owner files for divorce or county bills start piling up, the gov't could then move with caution that this person may be unstable.
One of the major issues with our "mental health" arguments is that we use super circular logic for it. "Someone killed a bunch of people, they must be crazy." And how do we know they were crazy? "They killed a bunch of people." But honestly? It's super easy to imagine a perfectly stable person turning into an active shooter if they happen to run into a shitty set of circumstances.
If you lose your job (which I'm unclear on how the govt would know that quickly), lose a family member, or get divorced, there should be a reaction from the state to help you adjust to that stress. And it doesn't mean you're insane. So I really like this personality argument.
User 463088
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The guy I'm dating....
His nephew (7) just told me he wants Trump to be President because he never washes his hair. And his brother (5) started crying because he wants the nice lady to win.
His nephew (7) just told me he wants Trump to be President because he never washes his hair. And his brother (5) started crying because he wants the nice lady to win.
He's convinced me to vote for Trump with that argument.
This is bullshit. Trump has the rugs laundered at least weekly.
Also, there is a nice lady running? *Googles*
Did someone say Dr. Jill Stein?
nature boy
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He's not getting on the debate stage.
I second this. I'm willing to avatar bet anyone that he won't. First, he will not pull 15%, second, the CPD would screw him anyway.
GiantEnemyGoomba
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Is Pence actually disliked enough for Indiana to be in play or are the demographics still not there
So I think we're agreeing on the direction of action but I do want to say, like, I don't actually agree that perfectly stable people turn into active shooters, I think that's kind of my point.
Almost all the mass shooters we've seen have not been very stable. They've had unstable jobs, unstable relationships, unstable housing, etc. Because they aren't stable people because of their serious personality issues, and that's the whole problem. There aren't any happily married fathers of three with two-story houses going out and shooting thirty people. In general the reaction from those around them is basically "yeah, that guy was dangerous." Often their family has specifically been trying to control their access to other people or dangerous items because they know the risk is there.
The majority of people will never, even if they lose their job and house and family, turn into mass shooters. That's why it's so important to focus on the people who might, because they are actually distinguishable and identifiable well before they hit the point of action.
Dubbedinenglish
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Jill Stien?
nature boy
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Not only that, it's the anticipation of the Clinton-Trump debates.
"Most watched event in tv history". Yeah, OK.
"Titanic fight".
Why would the networks want Gary Johnson when for the most part they've ignored him? He would be a distraction.
If he was polling 20% I could see a case. Sub 10 and low 10s? No chance.
Indiana is not part of the route to the WH. If she wins Indiana, it's simply because the Trump campaign collapsed - not hard to imagine that happening.
Aaron Strife
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Indiana flipping in 08 was a bit of a fluke. Obama had a strong campaign structure there thanks to a competitive primary, and his ad game wasn't matched by McCain's campaign. Obama caught the GOP flat footed.
I don't think it's as naturally competitive as Missouri and the trends aren't there like they are in Georgia. Luckily Democrats can do very well there downballot without a presidential campaign (Donnelly's win which is owed to Mourdock's "legitimate rape" gaffe, but remember that Gregg also came very close in the governor's race and Gregg/Bayh will both be very well funded this year).
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I could definitely support monitoring all losers who hit and stalk their partners and post insane stuff online, but you're probably looking at a watch list 10 million names long and that's gonna be pretty hard logistically.
Which begs the question, how the hell did Obama win it in 2008
Depends on how strong a ground game the dems have in that state. If the republicans ground game is insanely weak there while the dems ground game is strong they can pull another upset there.Also if Gary Johnson can steal a bunch of republican votes there I do think Hilary will win that state this time.
Republicans were also not very enthusiastic. I always figured maybe a lot of usually reliable voters stayed home while Dems drowned them out.
Pence was only +3 in the Governor race prior to being tapped by Trump and dropping out. If Trump had picked another candidate for VP it would be possible for Dems to take Indiana with downticket losses imposed by Trump. Could have been interesting.
His decision to take the VP slot is really win/win for him no matter the outcome. He doesn't have to worry about losing his close race in Indiana anymore, he could potentially become VP, and even if Trump loses he still gets huge national attention.
Strife already talked about it but:
- Competitive primary in 2008 and with the quirks of the calendar, basically both the Obama/Clinton campaigns were heavily mobilizing in the state and having rallies before the voter registration deadline in the state. There was a 6-week gap between the last March primary and Pennsylvania and a couple more weeks after that to Indiana/NC. So it was an eight week campaign, both candidates criss-crossed the state and organized like crazy. That infrastructure was huge in the fall.
- Bleed-over positive coverage of Obama from TV markets that cover both Indiana/Illinois in the Western part of the state.
- General feeling that Obama was a "Midwestern guy" and someone you could relate to and was seen as someone who could work in a bipartisan fashion, worked with Lugar, etc.
- Obama dumped a bunch of money into the state and McCain came in late.
- General Republican apathy in 2008 after Dubya, although Daniels still won in a landslide so there were split-ticket voters. A lot of moderate Republicans in the "donut counties" around Indianapolis voted for Obama.
Another vote for Forma! ;P
but how do you start this?
not to start a personal story too long but i have a family member who posts racist and inflammatory stuff all the time on facebook, gets very angry in discussions, is obsessed with guns, has OCD, can't hold a steady job, dropped out of college due to stress, etc and my wife and I agree that we wouldn't' be surprised if when something bad happened in his life that he could be one of these stories... how do you approach that situation? The parents aren't too helpful and help enable him, but i dont think its my place to push the topic.
Spoiled Milk
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You mean up to the same quality as your crazy hypothetical question last night about what we should do if Obama, a constitutional lawyer and law abiding citizen, suddenly refused to step down from the presidency?
Okay Mr. "you make zero effort to read the posts other people make", let me give you a rundown of the posts from the last five hours which prove you are 100% wrong.
So yes, if you really don't think the only reason we're talking about gun control right now is because cops got killed and the media is on full blast with its latest tragedy porn primetime performance, you live on another planet entirely.
You're annoyed all of the time. I can't help that.
Besides the fact that I just pointed out you are wrong, I want to state that I was making a broader argument in response to a cultural leftist obsession with gun control, and elaborating on my personal sense of dissatisfaction with the media and its priorities that I have stated in here a few times over the past week, not necessarily responding to anyone in this thread.
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On a lighter note, there's bound to be a viral picture of Trump at the Convention with a Pokemon on his head. Anyone wanna venture and guess which one it will be?
Spoiled Milk
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Okay, I actually made a typo, and meant to say "the only reason we are even talking about it right now."
I think they're more worried about the white people with guns and the black people with guns shooting at each other.
Donald Trump somewhere right now: "you can pick yourself? Why didn't anybody tell me that was an option?!"
*sets an intern on fire*
Probably Jynx
User 463088
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Et tu!?
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He thought Hillary's name was Hilda. And she should be President because she is nice. And also because her dad was President. We tried to tell him that Bill was her husband, but he disagrees.The kid also thinks the best Ninja Turtle is Leonardo, so there's no arguing with him.
nature boy
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An update on the current odds for the VP pick at PredictIt:
Personally, I'm rooting for Hillary to pick Hillary.
If she does not pick Warren, it means her campaign is pretty confident that she will win.
NYCmetsfan
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random cool fact I just discovered.
North Dakota has had a democratic senator in their class 1 seat since 1960, uninterrupted for 56 years!
North Dakota!
North Dakota has had a democratic senator in their class 1 seat since 1960, uninterrupted for 56 years!
North Dakota!
They all want to do him.
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