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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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phisheep said:
That probably depends rather a lot on who the opponents are (both the actual opposition party and rival candidates) and on how extreme the differences between candidates, and on all sorts of finicky details like what sort of primaries there are and so on.

We'll probably disagree on which outcome is worse. I'm inclined to think that a single loss in the general is way better than several decades in the wilderness - but again I'm really looking at the UK system and the Labour party for evidence, as I don't know enough about the vicissitudes of the US system.
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The UK system is a bit different because leadership elections are closed to paying party members who are small portion of the voting populace. But even in the UK, from what I know I support Corbyn staying in if the MP's starting a coup can't come up with someone who can come close to winning a leadership election. I mean the party has to some extent represent the will of the people who they are supposed to serve
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Ah, we're a bit at cross purposes here. I meant the gridlock part for if your party wins. It's perfectly feasible for a popular candidate (popular among the people, but not among other branches of government) to win a general and yet to fail so dismally in office as to ruin the party's chances for a long time afterwards.
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As far as I'm concerned the party exists to represent the will of the people. If it turns out the voters make that kind of mistake then the party will rightly suffer for it, but it's not up to politicians to decide when they want to stop representing us.
 
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I found the absolute most awful rightwing site of all time.... the comments... I just...

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I can't wait for the Obama speech. I am running severely low on hopium lately.

Anyone have that "Everyone chill the fuck out. I got this" image?
 
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Glen Greenwald is going crazy again. He just retweeted an RT contributor who said everything about Russian influence is a lie.

He's also saying that everybody who points out this comes from Russia is accusing the outlet of being Russian controlled? Idk whose said that besides the obvious notion wikileaks is.

I have no doubt he probably thinks Klaus Fuchs was set up
ItWasMeantToBe19 said:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ParkerMolloy/status/756864562817802240#tweet_756864562817802240

Rapists are bad at empathy and being good people.
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Of course not it's a gift to Russian fraudsters.
 
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Trump praised Roger Ailes in an interview with Bloomberg:

Trump also applauded Roger Ailes, the former chief executive officer of Fox News, who parted ways with the network this week after former anchor Gretchen Carlson filed a sexual harassment lawsuit against him. Ailes denies the allegations.

"I think it’s so sad. He’s such a great guy. Roger is – I mean, what he’s done on television, is in the history of television, he’s gotta be placed in the top three, or four or five," Trump said. "And that includes the founding of the major networks. So, it’s too bad. I’m sure it was friendly. I know Rupert [Murdoch]. He’s a great guy."

"Rupert has great respect for Roger and everything Roger’s done. But when you think about Roger Ailes, in the history of television, there’s really been almost no instances where something like this has been done," he said.
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http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...ruz-speech-in-first-post-convention-interview
 
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Speaking of Neo Nazis, I want to know who is providing the funding for some of these really slickly edited fascist propaganda videos I'm seeing pop up more and more on Youtube.

Socialists need to step up their aesthetic game.
 
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itschris said:
The Clinton campaign's response to the DNC emails:

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https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/756969447919906816
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And wikileaks pretty much going full anti-Semitic

https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756987256276131840
Tribalist symbol for establishment climbers? Most of our critics have 3 (((brackets around their names))) & have black-rim glasses. Bizarre.
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Fuck everyone that supports these people. I feel vindicated that I always knew this is what these people were about.
 
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NYCmetsfan said:
Glen Greenwald is going crazy again. He just retweeted an RT contributor who said everything about Russian influence is a lie.

He's also saying that everybody who points out this comes from Russia is accusing the outlet of being Russian controlled? Idk whose said that besides the obvious notion wikileaks is.

I have no doubt he probably thinks Klaus Fuchs was set up

Of course not it's a gift to Russian fraudsters.
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Its quite amazing how someone's deeply held narrative of the world can lead them into strange alliances and agreement with people who are even farther from them than the thing that they are trying to fight against.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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The first two responses were Jewish cartoons. They knew what their followers know.

remist said:
Had to google the bracket thing. Had no idea. I still support the idea of something like wikileaks. These people just shouldn't be running it.
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I think the times and guardian have been decent with their leaks. I don't think we need data dumps (they also don't work as affectively). People need to vet their stories wiki is russian/anti us op at this point.
 
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remist said:
Had to google the bracket thing. Had no idea. I still support the idea of something like wikileaks. These people just shouldn't be running it.
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If you didn't know about the bracket thing (which is the tip of the iceberg really) then maybe the reason you don't feel as threatened about white nationalism as other posters is that you don't know how deep and dangerous it is.
 
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itschris said:
Found a screenshot of the tweet:

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Their responses to someone pointing it out

@flugennock Yes, but it seems to have been repurposed for something else entirely--a wanna be establishment in-group designator.
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https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756989653350289408

Oh we didn't know (theirs an admission in this tweet they did know) it's anti-Semitic but we still hold the belief it a secret group of glasses warers who have a conspiracy. You know a giant anti-Semitic theme....

"In-group"
 
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Clinton is definitely going to deflect to DWS since as of now these emails have NOTHING to do with Clinton.

DWS should go though.
 
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NYCmetsfan

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BlastProcessing said:
If you didn't know about the bracket thing (which is the tip of the iceberg really) then maybe the reason you don't feel as threatened about white nationalism as other posters is that you don;t know how deep and dangerous it is.
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Exactly.

"I have to go out of my way to learn about things minorities have to know out of necessity."
 
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At this point it just seems like wikileaks is just anti-west and Israel. If it was all about transparency, there's plenty of other nations out there that deserve to be scrutinized as well.
 
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Bam Bam Baklava said:
At this point it just seems like wikileaks is just anti-west and Israel. If it was all about transparency, there's plenty of other nations out there that deserve to be scrutinized as well.
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Like this is most of the hard left.

Read how many times Israel or drones comes up unsolicited in political threads.
 
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NYCmetsfan said:
Their responses to someone pointing it out


https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/756989653350289408

Oh we didn't know (theirs an admission in this tweet they did know) it's anti-Semitic but we still hold the belief it a secret group of glasses warers who have a conspiracy. You know a giant anti-Semitic theme....

"In-group"
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Well Wikileaks defended Milo

They were huge pieces of shit and still are after being used by the Russian government
 
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Bam Bam Baklava said:
At this point it just seems like wikileaks is just anti-west and Israel. If it was all about transparency, there's plenty of other nations out there that deserve to be scrutinized as well.
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Right. A big problem with the farther left is that criticism of the hegemon can often slide down to contrarianism.

Like, the Maoist party of Italy supports ISIS because they oppose US imperialism.
 
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Washington Post: Democrats grapple with intraparty divisions two days before convention opens

The Democratic Party arrived here still divided over the results of its presidential primary season, with anger at the nominating process, the Clinton-Kaine ticket and hacked emails from the Democratic National Committee spilling into the party’s final meetings before the convention begins.

On each count, supporters of Bernie Sanders found new reasons to bristle about their choice in November. Hillary Clinton’s selection of Timothy M. Kaine as her running mate angered progressives who had lobbied for someone from their movement. The partial failure of a push to end the use of superdelegates — the party activists and elected officials who are unbound by the primary results — dredged up feelings that the Clinton-Sanders face-off had not been fair.

And the leaked DNC emails, which showed party leaders writing off Sanders’s chances and speculating about how his atheism could hurt him politically, embarrassed Democrats who wanted to put the primaries behind them. Before the party’s rules committee began, Clinton supporter Donna Brazile could be seen walking over to Sanders campaign manager Jeff Weaver to say that nothing she wrote in the emails differed from what she had said in public.

“Certainly, someone should be held accountable for those emails,” Weaver said in an interview. “We spent days talking about who in the Trump campaign should be held accountable after a few sentences were lifted from Michelle Obama’s speech. Certainly, the DNC should be held at least as accountable as the Trump campaign.”

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The rules committee, which typically approves the party’s nominating process with little debate, became an outlet for that frustration. Sanders’s supporters arrived with plans to end superdelegates altogether. Plan B was to compromise with Clinton supporters and reduce the superdelegates’ number or voting power. Plan C was to get enough votes on their amendments to demand a “minority report,” which could be voted on at the convention itself, with thousands of journalists watching.

The first plan failed, despite pleas and heckling from Sanders supporters who snaked around the hallway outside the meeting room and chanted “No more superdelegates!” and “Open the doors!” Inside the room, a smaller group chanted “Shame!” and “You’re killing the party!” as each amendment went down.

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By Saturday afternoon, some Sanders supporters were exploring the possibility of putting an alternative to Kaine into nomination. National Nurses United, one of the first and largest unions to endorse Sanders, suggested that Ohio politician Nina Turner, one of Sanders’s most prominent black surrogates, run as a Kaine alternative. A loose alliance called the Bernie Delegates Network, which had polled members and found 88 percent opposed to Kaine, planned to hold a Sunday morning news conference.

“The outrage is not just smoldering — it is burning,” said Norman Solomon, a California delegate and leader of the Bernie Delegates Network. “There has been an insurgency in the party, far beyond anybody’s expectations. Hillary seems to have gone out of her way to say — not just to her delegates but to progressives — that she hasn’t learned anything from that insurgency.”

Sanders supporters who defended the Kaine pick did so tentatively, and with the hope that Clinton picked him to turn out Hispanic voters. (Kaine is a fluent Spanish speaker.)
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It'll be pretty sad if there ends up being more conflict at the DNC than the RNC.

Also, lol at Nina Turner for VP.
 
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