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PoliGAF 2016 |OT8| No, Donald. You don't.

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Tarkus

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Maybe they mean the color of the elevator for people to spot right? Right?
You know they do, but this is poligaf. Anybody who has been in large buildings before has seen elevators labeled as colors. "Green elevators, black elevators, pink elevators." Even in back country hospitals, they label the elevators as colors. My eyes can't roll into my head anymore.
 

Valkrai

Member
You know they do, but this is poligaf. Anybody who has been in large buildings before has seen elevators labeled as colors. "Green elevators, black elevators, pink elevators." Even in back country hospitals, they label the elevators as colors. My eyes can't roll into my head anymore.

I know, was just messing around. Although I've seen some weird colored elevators before :p
 
So if Turkey goes the way of a dictatorship, do you think things will just escalate in the Syria conflict? And would the US remain allies? It seems Erdragon doesn't even care if they are allies of Nato OR the US.
 

Grief.exe

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So if Turkey goes the way of a dictatorship, do you think things will just escalate in the Syria conflict? And would the US remain allies? It seems Erdragon doesn't even care if they are allies of Nato OR the US.

Hasn't Turkey already been going their own way in the Syrian conflict? They have been attacking Kurds instead of ISIS/Asad.
 
Hasn't Turkey already been going their own way in the Syrian conflict? They have been attacking Kurds instead of ISIS/Asad.

Edrogan is scum for it, the Kurds are the best force slowing down ISIS.

Edrogan not only bought boot leg oil and sold weapons to ISIS, he also bombed the very Kurdish forces who were fighting against ISIS

but eh, Edrogan takes marching orders from Saudi Arabia... a US ally
 

pigeon

Banned
I don't get it. Why cant she pick Warren if she wants to right now?

Just like you shinra said, Warren's just not that safe a pick, and Clinton always plays safe.

I think she's contemplating taking a risk for once, because Trump is such a terrible candidate and having two women on the ticket would be fun, but ultimately I don't think she will.
 

Grief.exe

Member
I'm going to go in and ask for November 9th off of work tomorrow. Can't wait to relax and listen to Rush Limbaugh lose his mind.
 

Y2Kev

TLG Fan Caretaker Est. 2009
Just like you shinra said, Warren's just not that safe a pick, and Clinton always plays safe.

I think she's contemplating taking a risk for once, because Trump is such a terrible candidate and having two women on the ticket would be fun, but ultimately I don't think she will.
I actually think Warren is a risk because of the sexism thing, but that doesn't explain why it needs to be Kaine. Or generic white male. I hope Huma is telling her her biggest risk is that she looks dishonest (and on the email thing actually was) so picking someone who stinks could actually do real harm. Like I thought this was one of the arguments against becerra.

I guess this leaves you with vilsack.
 
I know Hillary gets criticized for being too robotic, too careful and choosy with her words, too calculating, etc - but this is one case where I'd be happy if her campaign has researched and focus-tested the hell out of every possible pick, lol..

(Even if testing found nothing, I'd much rather have the info.)

If anything I learned over time; more people seem to be attracted to personalities than to what the politics are. Hillary's style makes some people wary of her, but she does have the big support of people that know a little about her.

A lot of people care about authenticity regardless of the politics; if she doesn't seem that genuine, plus with predisposed notions, many people aren't going to trust her. I don't believe Trump gets away with it as I think in the polls, it looks like has pretty high trustworthiness too, but he probably can get away with it with other demographics because some might think he believes in what he says even if he says stupid stuff. Although, I think Hillary's personality is very much suited as a president.

Warren can really help with that, as Warren will look authentic and she can bring plenty of excitement to the campaign, which is what will help her a little more. When they campaign together it looks like they are excellent.
 

pigeon

Banned
Meanwhile:

nyt said:
At the Pentagon, interviews with more than a dozen top generals revealed alarm over many of Mr. Trump’s proposals for the use of American power, even among officers who said privately that they lean Republican. While no serving officer interviewed was willing to speak publicly about Mr. Trump — reasons ranged from wanting to maintain a distance between the military and politics to not wanting to criticize a potential commander in chief — a number of top-ranking admirals and generals said the military is governed by laws and rules of engagement that are far stricter than politicians may realize.

And justifications that troops would be “following orders” are unlikely to sway war-crimes courts, they said.

“We remember the Nuremberg trials,” said Maj. Gen. Paul D. Eaton, now retired, who was in charge of training the Iraqi Army in 2003. “Just following orders is not going to cut it.”

http://mobile.nytimes.com/2016/07/16/us/politics/france-trump-war-declaration-isis.html

Trump continues to bring Americans together in comparing him to Hitler.
 

Sibylus

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Anxiety about a two-woman ticket is a point in favor of going for it, I think. Trump is a trash fire of a candidate, what better time than now?
 
Clintons biggest problem is people think she's dishonest. Tim Kaine doesn't do anything to really improve the ticket in that regard.
 

Muzy72

Banned
Elizabeth Warren is a good match for "Crooked" Hillary. Known progressive who people trust, etc. Could help her numbers a good amount IMO.
 
Clintons biggest problem is people think she's dishonest. Tim Kaine doesn't do anything to really improve the ticket in that regard.

No VP pick is going to do that. VP picks can't do much to tickets except hurt it. People at the end vote for the top of the ticket. We're going kinda nutty over how much impact a VP will have. Any of the names floating around will do fine.
 

NeoXChaos

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No VP pick is going to do that. VP picks can't do much to tickets except hurt it. People at the end vote for the top of the ticket. Any of the names floating around will do fine.

This^. Guys its going to be Kaine. I accept my accolades a week in advance.
 

pigeon

Banned
Honestly, the postmortems I'm most interested in after this year aren't from Trump or even Trump's campaign. I'm much more interested in the GOP quislings who clearly knew that Trump was both unelectable and catastrophic and decided through whatever calculus that they had to support him anyway.

Paul Ryan would obviously figure heavily in this, but chief among them now has to be Mike Pence. It's not just that Pence spent months criticizing Trump for his behavior. Pence also spent his time as a politician advancing and supporting -- and putting into practical action -- policies like free trade and American interventionism that Trump has explicitly derided. Now he's disavowing everything in a day to be the running mate for a candidate that almost certainly can't win, that had to be forced to pick him, and who has made it as obvious as possible (I can't even say without coming out and saying it because he did come out and say it) that he does not like Mike Pence or want him to be vice-president.

How did Pence end up in this situation? What are his actual values, if anything? Who persuaded him to take this role, and how? What does he imagine he will get for it? Or did he have so few fundamental principles that he actively wanted to be Trump's running mate?

This is a book I would definitely read. If Trump somehow wins, it's a book history students will read when trying to understand how things came to this pass.
 

pigeon

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I would also like to read about the meeting where the Clinton campaign realized that Donald Trump would definitively be the GOP nomination for president.
 

royalan

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Honestly, the postmortems I'm most interested in after this year aren't from Trump or even Trump's campaign. I'm much more interested in the GOP quislings who clearly knew that Trump was both unelectable and catastrophic and decided through whatever calculus that they had to support him anyway.

Paul Ryan would obviously figure heavily in this, but chief among them now has to be Mike Pence. It's not just that Pence spent months criticizing Trump for his behavior. Pence also spent his time as a politician advancing and supporting -- and putting into practical action -- policies like free trade and American interventionism that Trump has explicitly derided. Now he's disavowing everything in a day to be the running mate for a candidate that almost certainly can't win, that had to be forced to pick him, and who has made it as obvious as possible (I can't even say without coming out and saying it because he did come out and say it) that he does not like Mike Pence or want him to be vice-president.

How did Pence end up in this situation? What are his actual values, if anything? Who persuaded him to take this role, and how? What does he imagine he will get for it? Or did he have so few fundamental principles that he actively wanted to be Trump's running mate?

This is a book I would definitely read. If Trump somehow wins, it's a book history students will read when trying to understand how things came to this pass.

Wasn't Pence's political career pretty much done after that bullshit he tried with that religious freedom act?

I imagine becoming Trump's VP as the only move he had left. A Christie-esque predicament.
 
I'd really like to see a 1:1 between Michael Steele and Reince Priebus after this is all said and done.

I imagine you get those two together in a room with some drinks and you'd hear some fucking amazing stories.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
We need a straight shooter, no nonsense VP to balance out crooked Hillary. One with proven Liberal credentials to win Bernie-it's over. What about Frank?

Crooked Hillary + Straight Barney

I like it.
 
We need a straight shooter, no nonsense VP to balance out crooked Hillary. One with proven Liberal credentials to win Bernie-it's over. What about Frank?

Crooked Hillary + Straight Barney

I like it.

A women president, and a gay vice president. I think that may be even more of a nightmare for republicans then Obama was.
 

B-Dubs

No Scrubs
We need a straight shooter, no nonsense VP to balance out crooked Hillary. One with proven Liberal credentials to win Bernie-it's over. What about Frank?

Crooked Hillary + Straight Barney

I like it.

Barney Frank is too real for this country.
 

sc0la

Unconfirmed Member
A women president, and a gay vice president. I think that may be even more of a nightmare for republicans then Obama was.
The radical feminist liberal socialist justice warrior climate-alarmism homosexual agenda.

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I would also like to read about the meeting where the Clinton campaign realized that Donald Trump would definitively be the GOP nomination for president.
I honestly bet someone tried to joke and Clinton squashed that shit and said this is too important to get complacent. Not because she wouldn't make a joke at his expense, but to set the tone that you take nothing for granted.

*files under head canon*

Barney Frank is too real for this country.
yeuuup
 

ampere

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How did Pence end up in this situation? What are his actual values, if anything? Who persuaded him to take this role, and how? What does he imagine he will get for it? Or did he have so few fundamental principles that he actively wanted to be Trump's running mate?

He's super bigoted, and while he might not be exactly like Trump I think his ideals fit with a lot of Trump's rhetoric, albeit behind dog whistles.

This is a book I would definitely read. If Trump somehow wins, it's a book history students will read when trying to understand how things came to this pass.

It'd be a story about complacency and high liberal third party voting I'd imagine. That's the only way he could win imo
 

First of all it's amazing videos from only 8 years ago look like they came from the 90s. Second Hilary always crushes these kinds of things. It's amazing how much confident she seems in that kind of element vs campaigning.
 

pigeon

Banned
He's super bigoted, and while he might not be exactly like Trump I think his ideals fit with a lot of Trump's rhetoric, albeit behind dog whistles.

But then why did he spend so much time attacking Trump, if Trump represented his real beliefs? Lots of Republicans have just refused to comment. Pence didn't. (As a side note, I'm really looking forward to the ads featuring VP candidate Mike Pence talking about his running mate's terrible policies.)
 
So do you think Trump's rapid response team is ready for each potential Veep pick of Hillary's?

Hahahahaha, like Trump has a rapid response team.
 

ampere

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It's like she's talking to a small child who doesn't understand the most basic principles of diplomacy

I mean, I would love to go flip the bird to any foreign leader who does awful things to their people, but guess how far that gets us. Clinton is pure pragmatism and it's so unsexy, but it's so the right way to do it.

But then why did he spend so much time attacking Trump, if Trump represented his real beliefs? Lots of Republicans have just refused to comment. Pence didn't. (As a side note, I'm really looking forward to the ads featuring VP candidate Mike Pence talking about his running mate's terrible policies.)

idk. It's a good question

But a lot of Nevertrumpers were the same way, criticizing things about Trump that the Republican party basically stands for. Pence may have been hedging his bets at the time that Trump was going to get the nom taken away from him
 
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