Spider from Mars
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"You can thank democrats for killing this unpopular bill"
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"You can thank democrats for killing this unpopular bill"
Like I said, if someone legit comes out with this then I'll believe it. Abramson has zero credibility right now and has shown zero evidence to back anything up. This is just like the bullshit he spun during the primaries and the election.
Electric Eye
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He's a victim of republican hype on the impending death of Obamacare because rates rose for some. The right and the ms jumped on this story last year and hyped is as the death of Obamacare except right after rates leveled off and are scheduled to stay that way or drop. Trump has been drinking the FOX cool aid like every other retired old person with nothing better to do than watch fox 24-7 and he is confident Obamacare is set to blow up and be proven right.
Randolph Freelander
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One guess. Marla Singer?
Roland_Gunner
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True, true. Pelosi is a great leader and the Dems are lucky to have her. People don't appreciate how well she handled business as Speaker. There's just much you can do in the minority.
Bonen no Max'd
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looool Pelosi "honestly I thought they would've gotten something done in 2 months"
Yo Paul Ryan blaming his own party, so delicious. Trump will be even more upset after he just blamed Dems even though the math doesn't check out.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Honestly, this is not a great scenario for democrats.
All republicans will blame them. The right-wing media will join in the big lie. All their constituents will believe them, and the cycle will continue onward with full GOP control of government in 2018.
On a side note, how great was Pelosi and Obama for getting the ACA through? Unbelievable job. We may not see something like that again for a long, long time.
All republicans will blame them. The right-wing media will join in the big lie. All their constituents will believe them, and the cycle will continue onward with full GOP control of government in 2018.
On a side note, how great was Pelosi and Obama for getting the ACA through? Unbelievable job. We may not see something like that again for a long, long time.
Abramson has nothing to do with it, though. Those are links to a press release from the organization that hosted the speech, as well as a report on the Rosneft deal from Reuters.
They did in the house too. The house had no interest in passing the senate bill. They only did so because Scott Brown won and they could get a few fixes into reconciliation
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Officerrob
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Still talking about phase 2 and phase 3, which never existed
Who gives a shit. They control the government. They are acting like an opposition party and you are treating them like one. Voters won't.
Spider from Mars
tap that thorax
Listen to how eloquent our president is.
They need an actual plan to fix Obamacare and not just vaguely say it has problems.
Pandora012
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It's the Dems fault!! But how with a majority?
How can they be the underdog when everything is under their control?
How can they be the underdog when everything is under their control?
RastaMentality
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People are gonna blame Democrats for an incredibly unpopular bill no one wanted to pass? what?
It's so easy for Democrats to say look. They have the numbers, they don't need us to do anything. This line of attack will not work. Trump is already at sub-30 approval ratings.
Bam Bam Baklava
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If you can show an example of a party in total control pulling something like this off I'd be interested to see how.
Sub-30???
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Republican voters will still support the GOP like always.
Agreed. They screwed it up big time. Had years and years to come up with something, lied that they had something better, then scrambled over a few weeks to do it and came up with something so terrible they couldn't even pass it. Hilarious.
I'm not saying it is the democrats fault, but republicans will be repeatedly pushing this for years. Anything they can do to accelerate the destruction of the US healthcare system will happen, and they'll put the blame on democrats.
Except democrats have been horrible at messaging. I'm hoping Ellison and the new leadership means that all changes, but I have my doubts. They've had the policies most Americans agree with for years now. Just couldn't effectively take it to the polls for a variety of reasons (WWC coming out of nowhere, gerrymandering, etc.).
I have none, but we're two months into the presidency and he still has aces up his sleeve like immigration and tax reform. If they screw that up, I'll be on your side. Now, though? They'll still unite.
broz0rs
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Wow. "It's a great bill because of Phase 2 and Phase 3!"
Gee, that's nice.
I'm gonna shit in your mouth right now, but don't worry, the next two phases are gonna be great!
Obviously not for the same reasons, but this may be the only time I ever agree with that idiot Malkin.
Gee, that's nice.
I'm gonna shit in your mouth right now, but don't worry, the next two phases are gonna be great!
Obviously not for the same reasons, but this may be the only time I ever agree with that idiot Malkin.
Officerrob
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Majorities in the House and Senate, and you are blaming Democrats...
Carpe Libertatem
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What exactly is a "great scenario for Democrats?"
I might be exaggerating, but the lowest I've seen was like 34-35%
Roland_Gunner
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Well sure, Hoover got 40% of the vote in '32. The GOP core isn't going to change. We just need to bring back the people who voted for the Dems in 2006/08.
Officerrob
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"It's very hard to get 100% of your votes"
Umm, Democrats were doing just that
Umm, Democrats were doing just that
AntraxSuicide
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Again, no one blames things on the opposition. It's always the President's fault.
Abramson is the one connecting the dots and making assertions about said smoke. I don't trust him to do that at all.
neurosisxeno
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Seriously, I know it's low-hanging fruit. But whenever I see Trump's hair up close I just stare at it like a car accident...
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
I don't believe a word Trump says, but you honestly think the average American voter cares about actual fact? Even after last election? Give me a break. They run to the nearest dogwhistle.
The bill getting a vote and failing in the House or Senate would have been much better. Now, no GOP Congresspeople have this stain on their record. The top GOP Senators didn't even ever have to address it.
And that's what Foxnews, Limbaugh, Hannity, and every right-wing media source will push for years.
whyamihere
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Ryan telling Trump that the ACA was going to explode was probably a bad idea for them.
Literally no one outside of the diehards will believe this was the Democrats' fault. I wish there was a roll call, but jesus, this is silly.
Like, he'll always get 35-40% of the vote. k. Next.
ALSO LIKE 100 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS BILL IN COMMITTEE
Literally no one outside of the diehards will believe this was the Democrats' fault. I wish there was a roll call, but jesus, this is silly.
Like, he'll always get 35-40% of the vote. k. Next.
ALSO LIKE 100 REPUBLICANS VOTED FOR THIS BILL IN COMMITTEE
Officerrob
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BINGO. Congressman rarely get blamed, Senators get some blame, the President gets almost all the blame, this is how it works
Box of Kittens
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So not only is everyone going to blame the out-party for a bill not passing, they're going to blame them for an INCREDIBLY UNPOPULAR bill not passing? A bunch of Republican voters will stay home in 2018 because they didn't keep their promises.
You don't really need to get a large % of those either, because if you just keep the people who voted for Clinton, you need a tiny margin of the other group.
Clinton/Trump looked a LOT different than Obama/McCain and Obama/Romney.
smokeymicpot
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ShironRedshift
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Oh, get tossed. You were saying the thing would pass the House not that long ago. What happened to that confidence?
In any case, two things:
1.) Not how anything works. The President's party owns failures like this, fair or otherwise. Trying to shift it onto the other guys didn't work for Carter, won't work for Trump.
2.) Blame Democrats for what? Keeping people's healthcare in tact? Sounds pretty great to me! Putting this on the Democrats is so easy when they can spin it right back in their faces like that. Especially when it doesn't make sense to begin with since Republicans have the majorities, bungled it anyway, and them not getting blamed for such a failure goes against all manner of norms and is based on fuck all other than "Trump is different! He just is!"
Of course, the true diehards are going to believe him, but that was always going to be the case no matter what. Nobody else will be fooled, and to say otherwise is based on absolutely nothing and decades of evidence to the contrary and just a pure instance that Trump is different.
Honestly, your a billion times worse with this shtick than Diablos ever was. Your just obnoxious with your pure insistence on worst-case-scenario based on nothing, and then sweeping it under the rug when nothing happens. Just stop.
Pandora012
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Carpe Libertatem
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All I know is that Republicans have been telling their constituents/base for the past 7 years that they need to repeal Obamacare and that they'll do it once they get the power to.
Voters give them the power to do this in 2016 and the Republican Party responds by... not repealing Obamacare.
That's a pretty demoralizing message to send to your base, IMO.
Voters give them the power to do this in 2016 and the Republican Party responds by... not repealing Obamacare.
That's a pretty demoralizing message to send to your base, IMO.
nature boy
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LMAO
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Most republican voters were against this bill. House GOP polling (posted on the board earlier) was awful this morning. Now they can pretend they were against it all along and move forward. Blame democrats for no healthcare changes being done, ignore the fact that their party pushed this, and move on.
If democrats can message this effectively in 2018, we could see a good thing happen. I just have yet to see that from the democratic party as a whole.
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