The impression I get every time this comes up is that senators in general really like the filibuster (makes them more important individually), don't want it removed, and resent the pressure from external sources to get rid of it. This is probably generational.
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The impression I get every time this comes up is that senators in general really like the filibuster (makes them more important individually), don't want it removed, and resent the pressure from external sources to get rid of it. This is probably generational.
BoogieWoogie
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Shitting all over Democrats while trying to strong arm them into cooperating is ridiculous.
Isn't Coons voting no on Gorsuch?
Bonen no Max'd
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Even if he is, he's voting yes on ending cloture.
I think the most possible path to Gorsuch getting past without the nuclear option is the Romney five + Bennet, Coons, and Warner. We'll see how Schumer can do with holding his caucus in line.
Manmademan
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Someone on that twitter thread said pence can't cast a tiebreaker on a rules vote before the Senate.
Anyone know if that's accurate? If so Collins and murkowski alone would be enough
whyamihere
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HE SHOULDN'T EVEN BE A FUCKING SENATOR
oh wait what, is that true?
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
Oh, the hilarity if this occurred.
This is pretty huge if true
Dominican Power
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Sean Spicer...
IggyChooChoo
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Between this and reconciliation, I am learning a lot about legislative rules this year.
Edit: Not as much as the president, but a lot.
BoogieWoogie
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Spicer is straight slime. Holy shit.
Rebel Leader
THE POWER OF BUTTERSCOTCH BOTTOMS
Spicey sounds angry
balladofwindfishes
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I was actually going to ask about this because it seemed weird that the VP could have sway over rules of the Senate. I was under the impression he just breaks ties for specific votes, not on rule changes.
PepsimanVsJoe
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Okay what the fuck?
It's actually even worse than that because Coons could've blue slipped him, I'm pretty sure.
I don't think it's true that Pence can't break some ties. Pence is the president of the Senate. The only requirement is that he actually has to be there and presiding, I think.
Secret Character
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This deflection is making Spicer angry.
whyamihere
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Yeah, that's what I assumed. So it'd be three votes. Fine.
Tranqueris
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Uh what? Why's everyone mad at Chris Coons? I saw the clip and he's basically saying that:
Gorsuch is going to get a vote because Dems can't really deny him one.
It's going to have to be 60 votes.
Republicans are probably gonna try to pass him using the nuclear option and he thinks that is tragic.
He's concerned that the Senate is becoming more vindictive and reactionary.
Gorsuch is going to get a vote because Dems can't really deny him one.
It's going to have to be 60 votes.
Republicans are probably gonna try to pass him using the nuclear option and he thinks that is tragic.
He's concerned that the Senate is becoming more vindictive and reactionary.
Bonen no Max'd
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Yeah I think McCain is the likeliest third senator here. Probably(?) doesn't have to worry about getting reeelected and SCOTUS overturned one of his key legislative accomplishments and Gorsuch is likely to uphold that ruling.
Which actually reminds me of something I'm not sure about with respect to SCOTUS rulings. If Citizens United was overturned, would McCain-Feingold go back to being law at that point or would it need to be passed again?
Which actually reminds me of something I'm not sure about with respect to SCOTUS rulings. If Citizens United was overturned, would McCain-Feingold go back to being law at that point or would it need to be passed again?
He wants to let Gorsuch through and is complaining that Democrats are going to try and block him. He's a shitty conservative Democrat from a safe blue state and we shouldn't even have to worry about his loser ass voting for Scalia Jr.
Evergreen post.
whyamihere
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Because he's much more conservative than he needs to be as an accidental Senator from a blue state and Delaware Democrats generally suck.
Secret Character
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He was given a question regarding the rise of racist crime in the US. Instead of giving some kind of nice statement about it, Spicer deflected about where the "blame" was when there were claims of antisemitism in the White House.
Watch Da Birdie
I buy cakes for myself on my birthday it's not weird lots of people do it I bet
Spicer's response was "Trump was right! You need to apologize to us!" in regards to hate crimes.
Only two of the bomb threats I recall were linked to individuals who weren't acting out of anti-semitic hate (a jilted reporter, and a Jewish individual I recall?) but this totally overlooks the increase in anti-semitic rhetoric directly related to Trump followers.
Only two of the bomb threats I recall were linked to individuals who weren't acting out of anti-semitic hate (a jilted reporter, and a Jewish individual I recall?) but this totally overlooks the increase in anti-semitic rhetoric directly related to Trump followers.
My casual perusal of the Wikipedia "nuclear option" article indicates a majority is required for a rules change, and therefore a 50-50 split would result in no change. It isn't a "tie" per se, because it's simply not a majority.
But hey, it's the Internet, so I make no claim to accuracy. I'm certainly not educated on this.
*Is* becoming vindictive and reactionary? That ship sailed. If they nuke the fillibuster it'll just get far, far more reactionary.
I don't think that's really true. And honestly, how many Hillary supporters (myself included) tried to entice -- successfully or not -- Bernie supporters by saying that even if you don't like her, voting for Hillary ensures a progressive justice on the Supreme Court for the next couple decades?
I think SCOTUS had a much larger impact on this race than it has had in previous elections.
Bonen no Max'd
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http://politics.blog.ajc.com/2017/0...aid-waivers-after-gop-health-plans-implosion/
Georgia considering expanding Medicaid, between this and Kansas I wonder if other red states will follow. Both of those states probably have state Republicans worried about 2018 though so the big test would be if somewhere like Nebraska or Idaho would consider it.
Georgia considering expanding Medicaid, between this and Kansas I wonder if other red states will follow. Both of those states probably have state Republicans worried about 2018 though so the big test would be if somewhere like Nebraska or Idaho would consider it.
The president of the senate, which is the Vice President, gets to vote in tied votes only. Most of the time this doesn't come up and the Vice President delegates presiding over the Senate to the president pro tempore of the Senate (always the most senior senator from the majority party), who delegates it to junior senators so they can learn parliamentary procedure and he can get some rest, but senators who are presiding don't get tiebreaking votes.
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Chairman Burr and Vice Chairman Warner Statement on Kushner's Voluntary Participation in SSCI Investigation
He is getting ready.
Joe Shlabotnik
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That is just how it is always phrased and does not imply the VP cannot exercise his right to be the tiebreaking vote. I don't see any mention that there is an exception for the VP's vote in rules changes.
balladofwindfishes
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I don't think the SCOTUS had any impact at all. It's pretty obvious trying to get liberals to vote due to the Supreme Court was pointless.
I don't think the SCOTUS situation would have changed the election at all had it gone differently.
Hmmm
Good Job Bob
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The GOP will have a bigger majority in the senate come 2018, so what do you mean by this?
BoogieWoogie
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I feel like every hour that goes by these idiots just keep drawing more and more bullseyes on themselves.
I always wonder why they do this? It looks bad, and they can get the tweets back easily. It's just dumb.
Err, way too late?
How very mundane and meaningless.
I doubt he ever tweeted in the past. His 37K followers are still waiting with bated breath for his first tweet.
balladofwindfishes
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There is no way you actually believe this when the GOP is only 3 senators up, their party is currently falling apart, and Trump is sitting at the mid 30s and falling. I don't care at all what the seats are on the map. The map for 2006 was bad for Democrats as well.
It would be unheard of. The Democrats would literally need to not even run people for the GOP to gain seats. 2018 is the Democrats' to lose, and they won't.
Chairman Burr and Vice Chairman Warner Statement on Kushners Voluntary Participation in SSCI Investigation
He is getting ready.
Lol he wasn't even selective about it, just deleted them ALL
Atomic Playboy
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That's sure to look less guilty than deleting a handful from years ago that no one remembers!
Retromelon
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this part killed me
MetalGearZed
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the fuck is going on
smokeymicpot
Beat EviLore at pool.
Better then deleting select ones. His lawyer probably told him to do so.
Plinko
Wildcard berths that can't beat teams without a winning record should have homefield advantage
That's why I was puzzled by Andrea Mitchell's report that staff were ordered to purge their phones. Most likely, everybody doing that has been being tracked for months now.
Either way, with Nunes doing his crazy thing, these tweets being deleted, staff being told to purge phones--something is clearly going to be happening soon.
I would prefer if they moved back to an actual filibuster, and not the silent filibuster where they just refuse to vote for cloture.
Lol something tells me it won't matter (they'll find the tweets anyway) and that he just made himself look a lot less honest.
His lawyer honestly told him "delete the evidence"?
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