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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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chadskin

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Donald Trump Jr. wants to run for political office, telling members of an elite gun club that he could set his sights on becoming governor of New York.

Don Jr. spoke to members of the F6 Labs gun club in Hicksville, NY, and, when asked about his political ambitions, said he would love to follow his father, President Donald Trump, into office.

A guest at Tuesday’s meeting told Page Six, “Don Jr. said he is interested in running for office, such as governor of New York, but the position of mayor of New York would be less interesting to him.”

Don Jr. added that he didn’t want to be one of 100 Senators, nor a member of Congress.
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http://pagesix.com/2017/04/05/donald-trump-jr-talks-about-running-for-governor-of-new-york/
 
A Black Falcon

A Black Falcon

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So, has anyone mentioned this article from yesterday? If you want the positive view of how Trump winning the presidency helps the Democrats. well, here it is: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/republicans-are-going-to-wish-hillary-clinton-won.html This article covers an issue I have thought about quite a bit, including before the election, that of how a narrow win in 2016 would set the Democrats up for few legislative victories this term and big Republican gains in 2018 and 2020. Of course had we won the House and Senate last year that problem would be avoided, but given how November went, a very narrow Senate majority with the same Republican House majority is, by a lot, the most likely result we could have had with a Hillary victory. Hillary could have even won with the same 52R-48D Senate minority we have now. Ugh. And that's not even speaking on how badly the party has fallen apart at the state level, a problem that having a Republican president, never mind one this sometimes-hilariously incompetent, should do a lot to fix, to get people to care enough to vote and such... if they ever will. We'll see.

Anyway, a lot of very hard to defend Democratic Senate seats come up in 2018, of course, and if the Republicans did well then, as they likely would after two more years of blocking the Democratic President from accomplishing almost anything, they would then have a borderline veto-proof majority in the Senate, and would be set up for a win in the 2020 Presidential race, a year which, remember, will have a census and thus redistricting afterwards. Yes, Democrats would get the Supreme Court majority which could have helped a lot, but is that worth losing both the Congress and Presidency for what could be a long time, particularly for the Congress, after Republicans again gerrymander in district lines that favor them? It's not a good scenario.

But instead, Republicans suddenly have to govern at a time they were not expecting to have to do it, and have the worst President ever, and things are all falling apart for them... just in time for the next two elections to hopefully move things our way. So yeah, as the article concludes, Republicans may well come to regret that Hillary did not win in 2016!

Anyway, read the article if you haven't, it's good.
 
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Aaron Strife

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A Black Falcon said:
So, has anyone mentioned this article from yesterday? If you want the positive view of how Trump winning the presidency helps the Democrats. well, here it is: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/republicans-are-going-to-wish-hillary-clinton-won.html This article covers an issue I have thought about quite a bit, including before the election, that of how a narrow win in 2016 would set the Democrats up for few legislative victories this term and big Republican gains in 2018 and 2020. Of course had we won the House and Senate last year that problem would be avoided, but given how November went, a very narrow Senate majority with the same Republican House majority is, by a lot, the most likely result we could have had with a Hillary victory. Hillary could have even won with the same 52R-48D Senate minority we have now. Ugh. And that's not even speaking on how badly the party has fallen apart at the state level, a problem that having a Republican president, never mind one this sometimes-hilariously incompetent, should do a lot to fix, to get people to care enough to vote and such... if they ever will. We'll see.

Anyway, a lot of very hard to defend Democratic Senate seats come up in 2018, of course, and if the Republicans did well then, as they likely would after two more years of blocking the Democratic President from accomplishing almost anything, they would then have a borderline veto-proof majority in the Senate, and would be set up for a win in the 2020 Presidential race, a year which, remember, will have a census and thus redistricting afterwards. Yes, Democrats would get the Supreme Court majority which could have helped a lot, but is that worth losing both the Congress and Presidency for what could be a long time, particularly for the Congress, after Republicans again gerrymander in district lines that favor them? It's not a good scenario.

But instead, Republicans suddenly have to govern at a time they were not expecting to have to do it, and have the worst President ever, and things are all falling apart for them... just in time for the next two elections to hopefully move things our way. So yeah, as the article concludes, Republicans may well come to regret that Hillary did not win in 2016!

Anyway, read the article if you haven't, it's good.
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It's a good article. The video embedded is pretty good too, about how Obama's legacy will remain largely intact. Summary:

- Obama revived the economy. Trump can't change that - even plunging the economy into another recession wouldn't undo the fact that times were good under Obama.
- ACA is here to stay. Might be some tinkering around the edges but we're never going back to the pre-2010 status quo.
- Clean Power Plan. The US can withdraw from this, or fall short of its commitments, but the rest of the world won't and Trump can't bring coal back.
- Dodd-Frank, Republicans don't have 60 votes for this.
- Tax cuts targeted at middle/lower-class. Republicans won't raise or repeal these.
- Race to the Top isn't really in any danger.

The worst thing about any of these (excepting ACA) is that no one really understands these achievements or connects them to Obama, even ACA in some instances. But they're there.

Also we have like another 20 years - at least - of Obama being a relevant figure in US politics. No one will give two shits about what Trump thinks the second he's out the door.

While I'd still prefer getting Clinton and Garland, a Dem wave in 2018/2020 is probably better in the long term anyway. Just sucks that we had to give the thumb's up to a fucking Nazi along the way.
 
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hydragonwarrior

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Aaron Strife said:
While I'd still prefer getting Clinton and Garland, a Dem wave in 2018/2020 is probably better in the long term anyway. Just sucks that we had to give the thumb's up to a fucking Nazi along the way.
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The big question remains in that can we get that Dem wave happening in the swing states in the 2018 and 2020 years? There still seems to be a lack of unity vs the current DNC and those who want the Bernie like change, and I haven't seen any attempts at finding a middle ground yet. That lack of a middle ground really hurt.

And there's a huge risk to this long term plan in that Trump could start a war. His mouth has no tact but my hope is that any of the sane members left in Congress will try to tell him not to trigger anything stupid..
 
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Dubbedinenglish said:
Please do, your carny ass will laughed all the way down to Mar-a-lago.
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B-Dubs said:
Oh please lord let him run, I could use a good laugh. Both Cuomo and deBlasio would kick the shit of out of his dumbass.
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Electric Eye said:
After he wins the Pulitzer of course its next obvious step.
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Ac30 said:
You can't make this shit up, lol.

Also running in NY, thanks for the laugh
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bookmarked for bumping if he wins.
 
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Infinite Stars

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Hahahaha Keith Olberman believes there's a chance of an election do over if we get a Dem Majority House/Senate.

I'd laugh if the idea wasn't constantly floated by various groups.
 
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chadskin

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Five people, including a senior administration official and several sources close to the president, tell POLITICO that Bannon, one of Trump’s closest advisers, has clashed with the president’s son-in-law Jared Kushner, who’s taken on an increasingly prominent portfolio in the West Wing. Bannon has complained that Kushner and his allies are trying to undermine his populist approach, the sources said.

Republican mega-donor Rebekah Mercer, a longtime Bannon confidante who became a prominent Trump supporter during the campaign, urged Bannon not to resign. “Rebekah Mercer prevailed upon him to stay,” said one person familiar with the situation.

Another person familiar with the situation, a GOP operative who talks to Mercer, said: “Bekah tried to convince him that this is a long-term play.”
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http://www.politico.com/story/2017/04/bannon-resign-mercer-trump-236939
 
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Crocodile

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Interesting reading material:

The complete failure of Conservatism lead to Trump
The link between expectations and White Anger (also does a good job of incidently explaining why Sander's economic populism appeals to Whites but rolls off many Non-Whites)
How Right-Wing Media hijacked Trump and the GOP
Trump fails at policies but succeeds in his race wars

sazzy said:
bookmarked for bumping if he wins.
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BreezyLimbo said:
I dunno

Thats what everyone said about trimp sr
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I don't think there is anywhere on Earth that hates Trump more than NYC + subrubs (i.e. 60+% of the state) and his ratings have cratered upstate. Nobody named Trump is winning a statewide office in NY unless like Trump single-handily saves the planet from an alien invasion or something equally impossible.

The Chosen One said:
If Trump decides to use airstrikes against selected targets in Syria, I'm willing to bet his poll numbers will increase by 15 points.
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I honestly don't think most Americans care about Syria one way or the other than "refugees are scary because Fox News said so!". This is even assuming that would make the situation in Syria better (which I doubt it would).
 
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SpaceCadetKeon

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Aaron Strife said:
While I'd still prefer getting Clinton and Garland, a Dem wave in 2018/2020 is probably better in the long term anyway. Just sucks that we had to give the thumb's up to a fucking Nazi along the way.
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Considering how close the election was, and that Senate Republicans (particularly Ted Cruz and John McCain) were willing to continue holding that seat open even if Hillary won, I'm thinking we probably would have lost that seat either way.
 
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Diablos

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SpaceCadetKeon said:
Considering how close the election was, and that Senate Republicans (particularly Ted Cruz and John McCain) were willing to continue holding that seat open even if Hillary won, I'm thinking we probably would have lost that seat either way.
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If she won tho then Dems would probably have a narrow Senate majority right now

They'd probably kill the filibuster too for SCOTUS. But they'd have a better excuse at least since Garland was robbed during Obama's Presidency
 
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Deleted member 30609

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A Black Falcon said:
So, has anyone mentioned this article from yesterday? If you want the positive view of how Trump winning the presidency helps the Democrats. well, here it is: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2017/04/republicans-are-going-to-wish-hillary-clinton-won.html This article covers an issue I have thought about quite a bit, including before the election, that of how a narrow win in 2016 would set the Democrats up for few legislative victories this term and big Republican gains in 2018 and 2020. Of course had we won the House and Senate last year that problem would be avoided, but given how November went, a very narrow Senate majority with the same Republican House majority is, by a lot, the most likely result we could have had with a Hillary victory. Hillary could have even won with the same 52R-48D Senate minority we have now. Ugh. And that's not even speaking on how badly the party has fallen apart at the state level, a problem that having a Republican president, never mind one this sometimes-hilariously incompetent, should do a lot to fix, to get people to care enough to vote and such... if they ever will. We'll see.

Anyway, a lot of very hard to defend Democratic Senate seats come up in 2018, of course, and if the Republicans did well then, as they likely would after two more years of blocking the Democratic President from accomplishing almost anything, they would then have a borderline veto-proof majority in the Senate, and would be set up for a win in the 2020 Presidential race, a year which, remember, will have a census and thus redistricting afterwards. Yes, Democrats would get the Supreme Court majority which could have helped a lot, but is that worth losing both the Congress and Presidency for what could be a long time, particularly for the Congress, after Republicans again gerrymander in district lines that favor them? It's not a good scenario.

But instead, Republicans suddenly have to govern at a time they were not expecting to have to do it, and have the worst President ever, and things are all falling apart for them... just in time for the next two elections to hopefully move things our way. So yeah, as the article concludes, Republicans may well come to regret that Hillary did not win in 2016!

Anyway, read the article if you haven't, it's good.
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Pure comedy.
 
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Diablos

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More_Badass said:
So let's be honest, when Democrats are in power again, do we expect them to go scorched earth or to revert back to the same old tactics?
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At least somewhat scorched earth. Again, I think SCOTUS filibuster would be gone with Hillary WH+Dem Senate if the GOP still tried to block Garland or if she would have nominated someone else.
 
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Blader

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There's really a town in NY called Hicksville, huh

Diablos said:
At least somewhat scorched earth. Again, I think SCOTUS filibuster would be gone with Hillary WH+Dem Senate if the GOP still tried to block Garland or if she would have nominated someone else.
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Tbf, everyone here prior to the election said that the first thing Hillary and Senate Dems needed to do was nuke that filibuster and push through Garland and young liberals to replace Ginsburg, Breyer, and Kennedy.
 
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shinra-bansho

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Eleven weeks into the Trump presidency, the Secret Service is grappling with how to constrain the rising costs and unexpected strain that have come with protecting a new first family as large, mobile and high-profile as any in modern American history.

To keep up, dozens of agents from New York and field offices across the country are being temporarily pulled off criminal investigations to serve two-week stints protecting members of the Trump family, including the first lady and the youngest son in Manhattan's Trump Tower.

Others, already assigned to the highly selective presidential protective division, had hoped for relief after a grueling election year. That hope has evaporated as they work more overtime hours and spend long stretches away from home because of the Trump family's far-flung travel.

And in Washington, agency leaders are already negotiating for tens of millions of dollars in supplemental funding to help offset the sky-high costs of securing Trump Tower and other high-profile family assets like Mar-a-Lago in Florida. It is a figure that will only continue to rise.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/06/...ump-first-family-protection.html?ref=politics

Being a Secret Service agent must suck so much now. Potentially giving your life for Trump... yuck.
 
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jtb

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How easy is it to nuke the legislative fillibuster? Might as well get rid of that the next time Dems have the senate/presidency.
 
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djplaeskool

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Financial filings are due today for candidates in the GA-6 race.
Ossoff has raised almost 18x more in fundraising than the next closest candidate (Handel) thanks to nationwide exposure.
$8.3MM for a special election is legit insane.
 
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Whoever gave him about a week about a week ago: good job.
 
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