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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.

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thepotatoman

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It would hurt him in some states. The GOP makes a huge deal about coal mining, but that is their main problem. They are making promises they can't keep for a short-term gain of winning elections without considering the fallout if their promises aren't kept or planning on how to generate jobs for those communities that rely on coal.

The optics would look extremely bad if the coal industry falls under their watch, which I find somewhat likely. The number of coal jobs is around 50,000 and it loses a few thousand every year. By the time Trumps first term is over I imagine that it'll be much less than that, and his supporters will have dissatisfaction with him. The companies themselves won't survive much long after because rising temperatures and competition from other energy sources. The lose of those jobs with compound with the increasing deaths of White Americans as more rural areas and small towns will go further into poverty.

I don't expect the people within those communities to vote against the GOP, but a few more of them won't vote for them either.

I don't think voters have long enough memories to care about unkept promises like that. Trump and congress could probably just ignore healthcare from here on out and not be punished by it, despite the 50+ repeal votes.

If the access holywood tape came out in november, hillary would have easily won, but even that was forgotten about quickly.
 
Erdogan jailed all of his political opponents and still only got 51% of the vote on "should I be dictator?"

Sad.

When you semi-rig (through jailing your political opposition) an election to make yourself dictator, that feels like it violates a lot of international laws?
 

Tall4Life

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Erdogan jailed all of his political opponents and still only got 51% of the vote on "should I be dictator?"

Sad.

When you semi-rig (through jailing your political opposition) an election to make yourself dictator, that feels like it violates a lot of international laws?
If he cared about international laws he wouldn't be in power at this point.
 

B-Dubs

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Erdogan jailed all of his political opponents and still only got 51% of the vote on "should I be dictator?"

Sad.

When you semi-rig (through jailing your political opposition) an election to make yourself dictator, that feels like it violates a lot of international laws?

Probably does, but who is going to do anything about it?
 

JP_

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Vox's The Weeds podcast has a new spinoff series called Weeds in the Wild where they basically go out and see how policy effects real people and put that into the context of current politics. First official episode (there's been a couple pilots before they settled on a name) is about birth control provisions in obamacare and how their removal/defunding might affect people. They talk with a couple patients and a couple people involved in new training programs that educate doctors on how to install IUDs and implants.

One of the stats they cite showed that new birth control cost assistance and birth control training in Colorado reduced unwanted pregnancies by 40% -- it also reduced abortions by 40%! Who would have thought?! (people that think)

Anyway, some idiot republican in Colorado is trying to kill that program and Tom Price can't answer questions about whether it's still in the federal budget.
 
I don't think voters have long enough memories to care about unkept promises like that. Trump and congress could probably just ignore healthcare from here on out and not be punished by it, despite the 50+ repeal votes.

If the access holywood tape came out in november, hillary would have easily won, but even that was forgotten about quickly.

Perhaps, but I argue people only really start consider who they support more closely when their lives are starting to get negatively effected.

Some Republicans would less likely support the GOP if they aren't getting the results that they want. Depends on what it is and depends on who the group is.
 

pigeon

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I think he's annoying and wrong about a lot of stuff, like his deep love for Paul Ryan. Yglesias and Kliff are both way more interesting imo

or stuff like this http://prospect.org/article/provocation-day-sweatshops-are-good

Klein has the advantage/disadvantage of having deep pipelines into the Beltway -- he was the de facto leak target for Obama's White House when he was still at the Post.

Unfortunately that causes him to sometimes absorb and parrot ideas like "Paul Ryan is a smart guy" because everybody in DC is saying that.

Yglesias has the advantage/disadvantage that his pure neoliberal socialism is untainted by access to people in power. I tend to think he's right about everything but it does mean he occasionally says stuff like "people in the Third World choose to work in factories where they might get killed by accidents because their expected value is still greater than subsistence farming" which I think is technically true but not really a thing people say out loud.

Edit: lol, I wrote this before I read your link. I guess everybody at Vox thinks poor working conditions in the Third World makes sense.
 
I think he's annoying and wrong about a lot of stuff, like his deep love for Paul Ryan. Yglesias and Kliff are both way more interesting imo

or stuff like this http://prospect.org/article/provocation-day-sweatshops-are-good

Sweatshops do make sense, though. Would it be nice if we could have programs that actually helped workers in those sweatshops have more rights? Yes. But, shutting down the sweatshops isn't suddenly going to give everybody in Bangladesh great jobs.
 

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Ogodei

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He's just trying to say that the media's player-hating when the GOP does well.

Everything's about whining and dominance displays and sad attempts at mind games with him. His tweets fall into one of those three categories.

But it makes no sense in the context of anything. Should the media keep paying attention to an election that ended a week ago instead of focusing on a new election? I don't understand him at all.
 

sc0la

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Can someone tell me if John Schindler (@20committee) is full of shit or is the jury still out?
If you have to ask...

Posters who asked this also asked:
"is this a scam?"
"does this outfit make me look fat?"
"Are we fucked?"
 

Emerson

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Schindler seems to maybe be slightly nutty, but he's a real intel dude and has real contacts. As far as I've seen he's been on the money with a handful of things ahead of others.
 

Ac30

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Hey look, #AmericaFirst

https://www.ft.com/content/b22da75e-22b9-11e7-8691-d5f7e0cd0a16

Mr Manafort met Yan Jiehe, the billionaire founder of Pacific Construction Group, in Shanghai last Tuesday. Ahead of the meeting, Mr Yan told the Financial Times that Mr Manafort — who has represented leaders from the Philippines to Angola to Ukraine — would help him navigate what is expected to eventually be a US infrastructure boom. Paul Manafort, Donald Trump's former campaign chairman, who has deep ties to Russia, is offering advice to a Chinese billionaire on how to win construction contracts for the US president's promised $1tn infrastructure buildout.

Hmm, that seems bad, let's hear what his spokesperson says:

Mr Manafort referred an email seeking comment to his spokesman, Jason Maloni, who initially denied that the trip had been for business. He later said that Mr Manafort had been in China on business, but rejected any suggestions that his client was talking about infrastructure deals. 

Oops!

Also please give the above link a click to give 'em some ad revenue for the reporting :)
 
Tom Cotton and French Hill are having a town hall in Little Rock this afternoon. I plan on going and, if I get the chance, questioning them on the guidelines for trans students that were rescinded. There are plenty of other topics that I'd like to discuss, but considering that I'm trans myself, and I have a physical letter from John Boozman on the subject that I can bring with me, I figured that would be the most fitting issue for me to discuss.
 
The funny thing is he doesn't seem to realize why the Kansas election was such big news--it wasn't a good thing for his party, that's for sure.
Problem with binary results - in his mind, he won, so what does he care about the details? Estes could have won by one vote and he'd still be saying they won bigly.
 
Problem with binary results - in his mind, he won, so what does he care about the details? Estes could have won by one vote and he'd still be saying they won bigly.

While that may be true, it still isn't the story. A seat that was won by 15 points (and a district that Trump won on Election day by 20+ points) was shaved down to 6-7 points during a special election which have notoriously low turnout and are perfect for Republican candidates. On top of that Ossoff is still gaining ground and Quist is at the very least still competitive in deep red Montana..

Trump can brag about winning big but his party is losing if these races are any indicator.
 
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Edit: lol, I wrote this before I read your link. I guess everybody at Vox thinks poor working conditions in the Third World makes sense.

They're rarely right, though. A more realistic picture of life in extremely poor countries is: you don't have a choice between the sweatshop and subsistence farming because many of these countries are not agriculturally self-sufficient and there isn't enough land to support the current population as subsistence farmers. Instead, you get pushed into the city slums. These slums often have one very large sole employer, usually an MNC, which pushed everyone out of the market. You therefore have a choice between work and death; unsurprisingly people choose work.

This doesn't mean that this is somehow the optimal situation. For example, a more competitive labour market for labour employers would improve working conditions and lead to more employment - after all, the way monopsony markets work is by deliberately underemploying labour in order to drive the price of labour down and increase profit margins (think monopoly in reverse). So we have reason to want to be suspiscious of and even hostile towards large MNCs that undercut local markets and set up sweatshops for terrible working conditions. If you were to specifically buy from Third World small business and avoid MNCs, you can square the circle of: "how do we prevent horrific working conditions without depriving people of jobs?". Bad Samaritans is quite a good pop-economics read on this topic, for the interested.
 

dramatis

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We Asked People What They Know About Taxes. See If You Know The Answers
The government has turned the screws on the richest Americans over the past few decades, ramping up how much they have to pay in federal income taxes.

If you're like a lot of Americans, you nodded sagely in agreement at the above statement. You're also wrong.

A new poll shows that only one-third of Americans know that the rich's rates have not climbed — in fact, the top tax rate has fallen off sharply over the last few decades. More than 4 in 10 Americans believe the rich's tax rates have increased over roughly the last four decades, and the rest said they didn't know. That's one finding of the Ipsos poll conducted for NPR, which delved into what Americans know and what they believe is wrong with the U.S. tax code.
On tax policy, views aren't always all that partisan. Democrats are often seen as the party that wants a more progressive system — Hillary Clinton, for example, ran for president in 2016 with a tax plan that would have ramped up taxes for the ultra-rich.

But in our poll, nearly half of Democrats — 45 percent — agreed with the proposition that "federal income taxes should be cut for all income levels."

Likewise, Republicans — the party that has spoken of "makers" and "takers" — were split roughly evenly on the idea that tax cuts for the wealthy lead to economic growth. (Democrats and independents tended to disagree — that is, to say that tax cuts for the wealthy do not lead to that growth.) Incidentally, it's not at all clear that this is true; one recent comparison of tax rates and growth rates across advanced economies found no strong linkage between the two.
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