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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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ItWasMeantToBe19
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His lawyer is arguing that Alex Jones is a fake because Jones is in a divorce and his wife wants him to have no custody rights.
Gotta get the far left holdouts on board I guess.
I can't wait for Bernie to stick his foot in his mouth for the umpteenth time.
He's a better surrogate when he just makes his endorsements and moves on.
I'm SHOCKED a mother wouldn't want their kids to be around Alex Jones.
Abinash117
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There are still a few people who don't yet trust the Democratic Party, but they trust Sanders. Hugging close to Sanders is a good strategy to show that you are for them, that they are united, heal the wounds of the election, and show to the people on the left that they share the similar goals.
Sorry, I misread the snippet I saw.
I don't necessarily think that involving Bernie Sanders a bad thing to do, what's worrying me is that it's the only thing I see the Democratic party doing.
This movement that's taking hold nationwide is not Bernie Sanders. It's not. And the party won't gather this movement by bear hugging Bernie Sanders.
There need to be other voices out there, too
The loudest ones want more Bernie and you know what they say about the squeaky wheel. I agree with you completely though.
Bonen no Max'd
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Man what a dumb move to go around the country with the most popular politician in America.
I don't think Perez is that popular.
VendettaRed07
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Just found out Malloy is not running for a third term.
I'm gonna cry guys
I'm gonna cry guys
VendettaRed07
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Other people need to get out there then and be vocal.
I mean yeah it's true that it shouldn't be just about him. But someone actually has to come up to bat
Like, where's Mayor Pete (I know, I know, running a city, but...)? Where are the other DNC chair candidates? Where's Maxine Waters, who is probably the most visible and popular actual Democrat right now?
Bernie polls well, but he doesn't speak to a lot of the Democratic vote. The DNC is starting to use Bernie as a panacea. Like Nintendo when they got Minecraft on the Wii U. But the Kids like Minecraft, right?
Aaron Strife
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Because they're doing a bang-up job passing things on their own.
RustyNails
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Well, have you read some of the posts on neogaf? Perez is a Clinton stooge, and DNC still apparently doesn't "get it".
There are die-hard burn it all quasi anarchists pretending to be democrats and if Bernie/Perez want to fix that more power to them. In my opinion it's a waste of energy. There is absolutely nothing that's going to convince these people. Not even Bernie shaking their hand and telling them personally, in a one on one setting, that all is well.
They are visiting Maine, Kentucky, Florida, Texas, Nebraska, Utah, Arizona and Nevada. All red states except Maine. Are there any national level unretired politicians that can draw crowds to rally in these places? I don't think Waters or Buttigieg have the same profile.
benjipwns
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Millennials are too young to be eligible for the Presidency, sorry.
Minecraft is a good analogy. Nintendo wasn't going to win any new fans getting Minecraft on Wii U half a decade after Minecraft went to the competition, but Nintendo *was* going to stop some people from abandoning Nintendo products due to the lack of Minecraft.
I kind of think that's the idea here, more to stop Buster bleed than to make an assertive grab for new voters.
That's Bernie's job, to legitimize the Democratic Party with all the people he delegitimized it with last year.
Maxine Waters isn't there because she didn't spend a year talking crap about the Democrats. As far as I know.
Your political strategy prescription for the democratic party to turn themselves around is to speak to the choir? What votes would they pick up from Maxine Waters that they don't already have locked in?
To be fair, now he's just a shill for the corporate Democrats, or something.
Sirpopopop
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Dems being tone-deaf once again.
A lot of people had major problems with the dem party before Bernie came around. He simply shined a light on them, demonstrated how he wanted to fix them. That's why he's so popular now -- there are a lot of people that find much of the dem platform attractive but are turned off by the party itself. It's like you guys just want to cover your ears and close your eyes and pretend it'll all go away if you ignore it.
benjipwns
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You seem to be under the impression that the problem is more than simply the constantly impossible task the party has in getting even a tiny part of their sparkling crystal message out to the chomping at the bit masses who merely long to hear some of it.
Really, all they need to do is send the most qualified human being to ever exist in the multiverse out there again to harangue the people.
whyamihere
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Merry Ossoff Eve!
reread what I wrote:
"there are a lot of people that find much of the dem platform attractive but are turned off by the party itself"
and to clarify, "the party itself" = the people that make up the party. Bernie is popular in large part because he seems authentic. He doesn't come across as a typical politician that's in it for himself (except on poligaf, of course), or in it for the money, or the power. He comes off as someone that is not being afraid to speak up against moneyed interest in an uncompromising way.
And you might respond "but wait, you idiot bernie troglodyte, Clinton speaks against that stuff too!" -- and yeah, she did, but for various reasons, people didn't believe she was being authentic. And that's not a problem exclusive to Clinton -- it may affect her to an especially high level, but if you hadn't noticed, most people don't think highly of politicians for a lot of those same reasons. Like how you guys love Pelosi. Most do not. Sorry, that's just how it is.
And if we want results, ignoring it is probably not smart. Neither is dismissing the reality of people's concerns because we think "those people are dumb." Unfortunately, elections aren't decided by smart people.
Aaron Strife
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Hopefully the only time we celebrate it this year!
(Worst timeline: Handel wins 51%)
Basically what he should have been doing almost a year ago to the day.
benjipwns
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Because he won't make it to the runoff?
Flying Toaster
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I can only vote for one I am an American citizen.
This is a hard question to answer. They are both people I never would have imagined in politics.
Carpe Libertatem
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I wonder if the left would turn on Elizabeth Warren like they do with other prominent Democratic women
Just need the GOP to start talking about how corrupt she is I guess
Just need the GOP to start talking about how corrupt she is I guess
Deny the premise no action is mandatory
benjipwns
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American citizens are allowed to vote in all world elections. It's in the Federalist Papers. Look it up.
Also, the election is for Lifetime President of the World. Which only American citizens are allowed to vote for. It's part of the U.N. treaty. Look it up.
This kind of thing is how Trump won.
It depends on what you think is the more worthwhile strategy.
If you believe that Democrats are better off pulling their coalition back together and speaking to The Left, like I do, then yes - having popular voices like "Auntie Maxine" out there keeping the base energized is absolutely essential. She IS the Bernie Sanders of young minority voters right now.
If you think the strategy of pulling in more of the "working class" that has shown a propensity for voting for a racist hatemonger has value, then sure, hang your hopes on Bernie.
To be clear, I don't think Bernie should be excluded by any means. But he is not the movement, and I think the it's a mistake that the DNC seems to be going all in on him, and I think that's going to continue getting clearer the further away we get from 2016.
You're being serious?
Bernie had no following before the primary, so nobody would have paid any attention to him if he just started by cheerleading the party -- people would have just thought he was a low tier standard establishment politician and he wouldn't have made a blip. Again, Bernie shined a light on problems that people already saw in the party -- he's popular because he spoke to those problems that people already had, and continue to have. Nobody was like "I wouldn't change a thing about the dem party, they're all perfect" and then heard Bernie and was somehow flipped. They heard Bernie and felt "FINALLY."
Now, obviously there are some nuts that are either super unreasonable (full blown socialism, down with capitalism, etc) or racist. That's not who were talking about. I know you guys love to put all these people in those boxes, but it's not that simple.
edit: so yeah, it's not just rhetoric. I think the dem party has real problems and it does need to address them because they can and do manifest in depressed turnout or the precarious, often ill-informed, voter switching sides.
Well yeah I think we should have both voices.... which is pretty much the point of the "unity" tour, right? Obama's camp and Maxine Waters' audience are already unified!
VendettaRed07
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I'll take Le Pen I guess.
She speaks French so I think her approval rating floor is lower than trump's is
No, they're not.
There was a not-insignificant drop in young minority support for Clinton. Some of that is to be expected because we were going from a somewhat hip young (for politics) black man with an adorable family to an old white lady who occasionally put her foot in her mouth. But that doesn't explain all of it.
And "she's not Bernie" doesn't explain it either, because they were lukewarm on him too.
How would you explain the gap? Personally, the drop seemed small enough to me to suggest Obama was just special (and could pull people that basically don't vote otherwise). I just skimmed exit polls -- Clinton still pulled a bit higher than Kerry, so is this not just a return to normal turnout?
Le Pen is 48 and France has no term limits, so I'll go with Trump.
benjipwns
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A two term limit was added to the French Presidency in 2008. I don't remember if it applies to Sarkozy or not. It was part of his own manifesto, so you would assume he'd apply it to himself but I mean I don't remember if he's grandfathered in like Truman was to the 22nd Amendment.
edit: it's kinda funny that the Fifth Republic's Presidency went from indirectly elected due to fears about how Napoleon III became Emperor to directly elected with infinite seven year terms (which iirc were the longest length terms for any such similar position outside Africa)
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