I listen to PSA, PStW, and Ana Marie Cox's podcast, but I really wish the cringe inducing "More nerdy stuff coming your way!" ad lead ins on Pod Save the World would stop.
Friends like these is the best imo because Ana Marie Cox is really good.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT2| Well, maybe McMaster isn't a traitor.
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I listen to PSA, PStW, and Ana Marie Cox's podcast, but I really wish the cringe inducing "More nerdy stuff coming your way!" ad lead ins on Pod Save the World would stop.
Friends like these is the best imo because Ana Marie Cox is really good.
I really need to catch up on Friends Like These. The Ira Madison pod early in the run was phenomenal. The Rick Wilson one right after... eugh. She dismantled all his dumb pro-gun shit with incredible ease and he just ignored her. He's right that the gun issue is a culture thing the dems are politically better off not tackling, but then comes off just as sanctimonious and snarky as he claims the pro-control people are. The point of the pod is to have a conversation and he repeatedly dodged her.
All these allegedly reasonable conservatives sound rational until you find their dumb privileged blind spot; and then it's down the damn rabbit hole of moved goalposts and deflection. Every time.
The Rick Wilson episode was really good because I actually learned about who he actually is for the first time since becoming a fan after his "Trump supporters are mostly childless single men who masturbate to anime" line almost 2 years ago.
Of course he has that one massive blind spot that even the smartest Republicans have when it comes to guns, and he dodged a few other questions but mostly owned up to the shots Ana Marie took at his party so in the end I still came out liking him. He's extremely intelligent regarding the gamesmanship of politics, moreso than almost anyone I can think of on the right and most on the left.
A Serious Man
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The quality of Lovett or Leave It depends on the guests, Lovett doesn't have the discipline to carry his own show.
Ivanka is at the Women20 summit in Berlin today and well, it's a tough (all-female) crowd:
https://twitter.com/anniekarni/status/856831355354849282
I don't know if it's that. I wouldn't want Lovett to be more desciplined. Then he's not Lovett.
Lovett's​ strength is in his extremes. He goes back and forth between being the funniest guy in the panel, to the guy who comes in out of nowhere with the most salient points.
Problem is he needs a point guy. Somebody who's not really "funny" but keeps the conversation grounded.
That's why the best episodes of Lovett or Leavit are the two where there's at least one serious guest among the comedians. Like the episode with Jessica Yelling.
Poodlestrike
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Was she the CNN contributor?
Even if she wasn't it does sort of highlight something that'd help the pod, namely, having people on who're more personally invested in the topics of discussion so they can speak with authority on them, letting Lovett throw better zingers.
balladofwindfishes
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We should be building a EU style relationship with Canada, with easy mobility between them and free trade.
It's just... weird to be so hostile, trade wise, to a country a large, fully developed, peaceful democratic nation that is a a couple hour drive away for like half the country.
It's just... weird to be so hostile, trade wise, to a country a large, fully developed, peaceful democratic nation that is a a couple hour drive away for like half the country.
We also should have elected a highly qualified woman for office of the president, but some states that are only a few hours drive from Canada said otherwise.
I didn't think it was a both sides argument. His point is that the Democratic Party has the better, more appealing policies to most Americans, yet has been losing elections all across the country, up and down the ticket, for the past 8 years. Voters who choose to pass progressive ballot measures and then, on the very same ballot, elect Republican politicians. That's a genuine messaging problem. I think he hit the nail on the head: GOP policies are much worse for these voters, yet they these same voters continue to elect Republicans over and over again because the GOP has figured out a way to communicate with them and convince them otherwise.
I actually had to stop listening to With Friends Like These after the Rick Wilson episode. He was obnoxious, as is his wont, but her whole role in the conversation felt like trying to get a Republican insider to give up the goods on how Democrats can win elections, which I find really really tiresome in general and especially annoyed me in that episode.
I dropped Lovett or Leave It after the first ep, which was a mess and kind of redundant (don't need a third pod to rehash the week's news).
BoogieWoogie
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cartoon_soldier
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Seems more like Tier 1/Tier 2 orgs distinction?
BoogieWoogie
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RustyNails
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Has FC said anything about the budget?
Ignatz Mouse
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Pardon my ignorance, but what does the bolded refer to?
I'd also say "against welfare" is a pretty big simplification.
balladofwindfishes
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There isn't even a budget for them to comment on. They're so far behind, the government is shutting down 100%. You cannot pass a budget in 3 days.
I'm going to admit confusion on this one. He's lobbying for Turkey, but the money he's being paid to do so is coming from a Russian?
Weren't they already working on a clean funding bill relatively painlessly already before Trump jumped into it?
cartoon_soldier
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First time watching/listening to Run the Jewels music videos. Is that Killer Mike that supported Bernie in RTJ?
Ignatz Mouse
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The very same.
balladofwindfishes
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I'm not convinced the FC is going to vote on a clean bill, although Democrats would, so I guess they don't really need the FC.
But now that's probably stalled or thrown out since Trump stuck his face into this "fight"
They can just pass a continuing resolution.
BoogieWoogie
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It's hilarious that they'll need to rely on Dems moving forward after having Trump call them idiots at every turn. Good luck with that shit cheeto.
Wow, so the route the GOP are going on healthcare is shockingly unpopular.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/public-pans-republicans-latest-approach-to-replacing-affordable-care-act/2017/04/25/25355eb0-26aa-11e7-bb9d-8cd6118e1409_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-725a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4323e5bb9fbc
I thought the waiver system would be somewhat palatable with general public, but they are NOT messing with with it all.
And on top of that, a good chunk don't even want it gone.
I'm wondering, is the GOP not understanding what people want or do they just straight not care?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/public-pans-republicans-latest-approach-to-replacing-affordable-care-act/2017/04/25/25355eb0-26aa-11e7-bb9d-8cd6118e1409_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-725a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4323e5bb9fbc
I thought the waiver system would be somewhat palatable with general public, but they are NOT messing with with it all.
And on top of that, a good chunk don't even want it gone.
I'm wondering, is the GOP not understanding what people want or do they just straight not care?
cartoon_soldier
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Could have used some of that for Clinton at the end there.
metalslimer
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Wow, so the route the GOP are going on healthcare is shockingly unpopular.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/health-science/public-pans-republicans-latest-approach-to-replacing-affordable-care-act/2017/04/25/25355eb0-26aa-11e7-bb9d-8cd6118e1409_story.html?hpid=hp_hp-top-table-main_poll-725a%3Ahomepage%2Fstory&utm_term=.4323e5bb9fbc
I thought the waiver system would be somewhat palatable with general public, but they are NOT messing with with it all.
And on top of that, a good chunk don't even want it gone.
I'm wondering, is the GOP not understanding what people want or do they just straight not care?
I wish there was a guaranteed way to let them pass Trumpcare without hurting anyone because it would give us another supermajority by 2020
BoogieWoogie
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Well considering that Trump is going to be bringing this shit up every other week for the rest of his Presidency, we'll see.
Hell yeah
How is it a simplification? Bill Clinton pursued right-wing policies that disproportionately harmed people of color, and cited avowed white supremacist Charles Murray as an influence on these policies.
Veritigo_X
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I don't think the voters she needed to win are down with RTJ.
This is my weekly opportunity to point out the increadble demonstration of white privilege Bernie had in having a black rapper named Killer Mike on the stump for him. Can you imagine Obama having a surrogate like him and the right doing a simple shrug?
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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I'm glad that liberal minded people aren't falling for her "I'll keep my dad in check!" bs
The John Oliver effect.
Baron von Loathsome
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I need some video of this.
nature boy
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I'm getting tired of waiting for all the winning
AntraxSuicide
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Hell yeah
How is it a simplification? Bill Clinton pursued right-wing policies that disproportionately harmed people of color, and cited avowed white supremacist Charles Murray as an influence on these policies.
Maybe a different quote was meant here? This quote is him saying it's immoral to rip aid away from people.
Box of Kittens
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Hardly an original thought, but I think one of the things that hurt Hillary's campaign was the way she was tied to Bill's administration. It seems strange given how popular Bill was and remains, but the 90s were a different time and a lot of compromises that were either necessary or perceived as necessary back then play very poorly today, especially among the Democratic base. And unfortunately she wasn't very good at addressing those sorts of issues (contrast with Gillibrand).
Ignatz Mouse
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Hell yeah
How is it a simplification? Bill Clinton pursued right-wing policies that disproportionately harmed people of color, and cited avowed white supremacist Charles Murray as an influence on these policies.
Two points. The first is a real question, not some trolling. Pigeon say Clinton was against equal rights for people of color, and I have to really bend my mind to see that, unless I am missing something, and I might be. The unintended consequences of the 90s Crime Bill don't qualify in my mind. I was wonderign if there was something else.
Point two, welfare: Clinton ran on welfare reform, at a time when it was heavily demonized. If he were "against" it, he could have easily gutted it thoroughly, especially post 94.
BoogieWoogie
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They're guilty as fuck. Doesn't matter, Sally Yates testifies on the 8th anyway. Can't stop that.
Nope, read that again. Clinton is concurring with Charles Murray that reducing aid to poor people black people can keep their population down. He's just not sure if he can pursue that policy and still sleep at night.
At least that means the documents still exist somewhere!
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