RumbleHumble
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Everyone's so happy! And we didn't even need the oppo. I really do hope Trump goes to war with Congress, burning down his most important allies.
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PoliGAF 2017 |OT5| The Man In the High Chair
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That headline is pure trashy clickbait.
AnotherNils
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I'm not sure that squares with DADT which wasn't from congress. Though I could see a distinction between giving rights by order vs. trying remove soldiers by decree.
Edit: The irony here is Trump did this so congress wouldn't have to have a public fight over transgendered military funding
Random Human
They were trying to grab your prize. They work for the mercenary. The masked man.
The week felt so grim at the start, too.
nature boy
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Are you referring to the enactment of DADT or the repeal? The repeal required approval from Congress
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Ask,_Don't_Tell_Repeal_Act_of_2010
eBay Huckster
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and also the original directive only existed because Congress mandated it by statute (specifically an amendment to the 1994 NDAA written by Rep. Ike Skelton)
AnotherNils
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Yeah I wiki'd it before posting. Here's the relevant part:
Can the admin have the DoD issue a directive banning transgender soldiers? IDK
Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_orientation_and_military_service#Transgender_military_service
I get the feeling they've been in a legal grey area.
whyamihere
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DADT repeal is like my favorite hail mary Democrats have ever had.
j_k_redtail
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Autodidact
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Some might even call them shamelessly power hungry opportunists. But I wouldn't do that. But people say it, you know.
Ro Khanna has joined that pity party.
Brawly Likes to Brawl
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Oh, man. How could his wife leave a gentleman like him?
"Stop trying to make "Period!" a thing, Sean."
balladofwindfishes
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This week was the weirdest up and down of emotions I've had in awhile.
I'm glad I can end it with smiles and schadenfreude and not sorrow.
I'm glad I can end it with smiles and schadenfreude and not sorrow.
Aren't they (Khanna + Moulton) both more moderate than the people they primaried? Not too familiar with who they replaced, but it's not like they're winning in deep red districts or anything. It's so disingenuous.
Autodidact
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What do our Californians and/or Orange County peeps make of Dana Rohrabacher's most likely challenger, Hans Keirstead? A stem-cell scientist, he seems perfect for an affluent district that's taken its first tentative steps toward being Democratic. Because of Keirstead's candidacy and the Russia scandal, Sabato recently moved Rohrabacher's race into the tossup category.
EDIT: He also moved that witch McSally's race from Leans Republican to tossup. Awkward Ann comin' for that wig.
EDIT: He also moved that witch McSally's race from Leans Republican to tossup. Awkward Ann comin' for that wig.
broz0rs
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According to this thread, McCain's decision to allow the bill to go to the floor, then voting no on it really fucked over McConnell.
https://twitter.com/marmel/status/891067586334441472
https://twitter.com/marmel/status/891067586334441472
whyamihere
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This thread is wrong.
nature boy
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No specialist here, but I'm assuming Congress doesn't move at the same pace at the executive branch and that the DADT directive was inside the scope that Congress allowed at the time. With the controversy I'm pretty sure Congress will want to flex its authority on the issue.
And the same I would assume applies to the current suspension pending reevaluation.
Suikoguy
I whinny my fervor lowly, for his length is not as great as those of the Hylian war stallions
Wait, which is it then?
McCain really should have given McConnell the middle finger as he said no.
Let that be the last thing he ever does in Congress: Fuck over McConnell's dream of finally ridding you, the American people, of the failure of Obamacare. Bigly
Hannity tweeted a picture of that painting of Obama standing on the Constitution.
Oh the irony....
Fenderputty
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I'm very skeptical of the OC going blue in the near future. I work in Orange County and with people who live there. Let just say I don't see eye to eye with virtually anyone in my office. Including about 70% of the younger employees. So I probably have a ton of confirmation bias.
I'm in Ed Royce's district on the border of the OC. He's in three counties. San Bernardino, Los Angeles and Orange County. LA is the only one who didn't vote for Royce and it was slim in 2016. I live next to people with the Tea Party flag and another with Blue lives matter American flag. I feel like I'm surrounded by republicans. So again, skeptical but confirmation bias.
1) They did not vote on a bill. they voted on an amendment and then tabled the bill because they were out of ideas. it remains on the calendar and should be able to be put on the floor again with another MTP until...
2) They are passing a new budget resolution in September which will include new reconciliation instructions
3) They haven't passed any reconciliation bills, but even if they had it would only prevent new reconciliation on the same topic (revenue, spending and I forget the third)
It won't be revived because there is no appetite for it, they are going on vacation, and they need to pass a new budget for tax reform. Not because of 4D chess from McCain
Autodidact
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Do you think Hillary's winning Orange County was a fluke because Trump was so uniquely bad and she was able to appeal to the wealthy, Romney-esque voters there? I only asked the question because she won by almost ten points, and it's been slowly trending Democratic, looking at the numbers.
She won Rohrabacher's, Royce's, Issa's, and Walters's districts (48, 39, 49, 45, respectively), but I acknowledge that the results may be different without her or Trump on the ballot.
AntraxSuicide
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This meshes with how Trump runs his employees. He has them fight it out and believes the best employees are the ones who never admit fault or lose arguments. Humility is a weakness, brashness is strength. He's like a Sith before the Rule of Two.
Or he just a complete dumbass.
whyamihere
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This.
Reclaiming my time is the new motto
AnotherNils
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Here neither. I try to err on the side of cautious since the tweet's claim didn't seem cut and dried.
Regardless, it seems pretty clear Trump will be facing pushback from the military on the issue.
Trump is going to sign the Russia sanctions bill, WH just announced. I wonder how Putin will feel about that 😂. Imagine if he turns his bot army against Trump's White House.
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/891106157212954624
https://twitter.com/peterbakernyt/status/891106157212954624
AntraxSuicide
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It's around because it's actually kinda hard to explicitly list rules for any given situation, and up until a few decades ago, people were largely okay with political norms being known without being spelled out.
I blame Perry Mason for that changing (mostly joking). People think the law works like a magic spell where if you can find the wording that can be interpreted to let you win, then you win.
I didn't say it was smart! It's just how he's always run his businesses. VP-level executives are encouraged to argue with each other. Backstabbing ruins trust but that doesn't mean anything to Trump; it just shows that the backstabber has cunning.
Remember his "I don't pay much in taxes because I cheat the system, that makes me smart" line? He respects employees who do this. He doesn't want wimps, he wants brawlers.
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thepotatoman
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This is correct.
You'd think even people that don't know the rules would have to wonder why full repeal can fail, but they can still vote on partial repeal, if that 4D chess from McCain thing was true.
More likely we'll see a leak
ratcliffja
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Putin's not stupid. He knows that Trump has no realistic shot of vetoing the bill, so as long as Trump is still worthwhile to him, there likely won't be any retaliation against Trump or the White House directly. I could see him going after the GOP as a whole, though.
Time to release the pee tape!
It's the smartest move and the one that makes him look the best.
Abstrusity
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https://mobile.twitter.com/votingvillagedc/status/891008725342765056
Hackers at DefCon wirelessly got OS level access to a WinVote voter machine within 90 minutes.
Person who hacked into it took less than two minutes to get in. This is not a drill, these are white and grey hats breaking into voting machines to discover vulnerabilities.
One minute 40 seconds is all it takes for someone to take your vote and throw it away. ...Or take your vote and apply it to someone else.
These are the same type Virginia got rid of in 2014, but they might still be in use elsewhere in the country.
Hackers at DefCon wirelessly got OS level access to a WinVote voter machine within 90 minutes.
Person who hacked into it took less than two minutes to get in. This is not a drill, these are white and grey hats breaking into voting machines to discover vulnerabilities.
One minute 40 seconds is all it takes for someone to take your vote and throw it away. ...Or take your vote and apply it to someone else.
These are the same type Virginia got rid of in 2014, but they might still be in use elsewhere in the country.
You think? But seriously at what point does Putin just cut his losses? His main goal has obviously been to repeal Magnitsky, Trump signing this means there's zero chance that'll happen. If he doesn't veto this then what are the odds he would support an ease of sanctions? This bill puts the power to ease Russia sanctions in the hands of Congress.
I really expected he would veto it and then be overriden. But it'd signal to Putin that he was playing ball.
Got the Shakes
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Wonder how many police departments across the country will or have released a statement like this:
"The @POTUS made remarks today that endorsed and condoned police brutality.
GPD rejects these remarks and continues to serve with respect."
https://twitter.com/GainesvillePD/status/891086416511467520
"The @POTUS made remarks today that endorsed and condoned police brutality.
GPD rejects these remarks and continues to serve with respect."
https://twitter.com/GainesvillePD/status/891086416511467520
balladofwindfishes
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Aww, I wanted him to veto it so it could be overridden.
Not enough, sadly.
The Technomancer
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Okay so if it was just an amendment help me understand how this is truly dead other than "they don't want to bother anymore"
They straight up don't have time at this point.
Time is very very very limited (as we figured out in '08) and they're just wasting all of it.
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