Collins is not up for re-election to the Senate next year. But she might be running for Governor of Maine, which is a 2018 election.
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Collins is not up for re-election to the Senate next year. But she might be running for Governor of Maine, which is a 2018 election.
Ignatz Mouse
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Frustrating, isn't it?
Poodlestrike
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You're conflating two totally different events. They got the 3 month debt ceiling extension and CR in exchange for absolutely nothing. They showed up, said that they want 3 over 18, and that was that.
Debt ceiling was always going to happen, because nobody on the Dem side is crazy enough to play chicken with the total collapse of the global economy. Tying the CR to Harvey made that a lock. The question was entirely about duration.
The DACA stuff happened later.
Sullivan didn't win a write-in campaign after losing a primary. Murkowski is untouchable and she knows it.
Cool, cool.
The best part about this is how he's referring to Republicans in the third person, as if he isn't one.
I am more than fine with improving the ACA and adding a public option as the next thing the Dems should do. I'm just saying that if G-C passes, I do legit think it makes Single-Payer easier to pass. What is the incentive for the Dems to compromise if the GOP is just going to shit on their face and all of America by doing this?
Murkowski did the almost impossible and won as a write-in candidate while having to teach her supporters to spell Murkowski, and yes she actually had campaign drives to teach people how to spell her name for the ballot.
They'll still need to get past the insurance lobby, bringing them on board was how Obama managed to get the ACA done in the first place. If we don't then who is to say they won't just pour money into GOP candidates and get it repealed the first chance they get? Even Bernie's plan is a 4-6 year roll out at the earliest, plenty of time to kill it before it takes effect. No matter what we do it'll require beating the insurance lobby and they won't fight as hard against something like a medicare buy-in or public option, compared to straight single payer (which would be the end of their industry).
If the Senate flips in 2018 or 2020 I think she may just go I in order to attempt to maintain influence - the GOP needs her more than she needs them at this point.
Oh I know about the write-in campaign and that stuff. But like, if one Republican senator looks at a bill and says this is gonna kill her state, how does that other Republican senator look at the same bill and think, actually this is gonna be just fine for our constituents?
I know there is probably no non-cynical answer to that. It's just crazy to me that when your governor and fellow Republican senator are not supporting a bill because of the harm it will inflict on your home state that you are still perfectly fine with voting for that bill.
I know there is probably no non-cynical answer to that. It's just crazy to me that when your governor and fellow Republican senator are not supporting a bill because of the harm it will inflict on your home state that you are still perfectly fine with voting for that bill.
AntraxSuicide
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If Sullivan gets primaried, he's just gone. So he has to play to the crazies. Murkowski doesn't have to.
I thought I'd heard rumblings that Collins might try to run for Governor. She'd have a good shot at it, but might need to find a way to distance herself from LePage, who is... not well-loved.
Sorry if posted earlier:
Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump's Actions as President
Going after stuff related to the WH meeting with the Russians, Flynn's firing, Trump JR's meeting
Mueller Seeks White House Documents Related to Trump's Actions as President
Going after stuff related to the WH meeting with the Russians, Flynn's firing, Trump JR's meeting
Talk about applying pressure.
Yea, Jersey would be screwed pretty hard by this. The NJ side of RBNY twitter has not been happy about this bill at all.
There was a school shooting today, hearing nothing reported on it. Shit's pretty depressing. One kid shot but stable and a teacher disarmed the shooter fortunately.
https://twitter.com/MattLoveless/status/910573554684620800
https://twitter.com/MattLoveless/status/910573554684620800
Mark Andrew
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Such a shame Christie lost influence with Trump when he tried to hand him a germ-ridden cell phone.
DailyKos just put up a median seat analysis. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...O9EuYKk5XJB9qtjRz8DfcY63M/edit#gid=1639480230
Michigan seems like they're screwed until they can get the seats un-gerrymandered:
Michigan seems like they're screwed until they can get the seats un-gerrymandered:
VA's median districts in both its House and Senate are actually seats that went to Clinton. Which means the big structural issue with flipping the VA House/Senate is likely now the off-off-year elections.
VendettaRed07
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Still think the DNC should use it's email list to send out something like the top 40+ most flippable seats or the ones they are targeting. Help people who want to be active focus in on a house seat that is perhaps somewhere near them if their district doesn't have a chance of flipping.
They should do it as soon as they have candidates or the primaries start. You don't want to put a ton of cash towards a seat with a shitty candidate.
Her coalition is also a mixture of moderate Republicans, Independents and some Democrats.
It's far more vital to her that she keep her image as a moderate than going hard right; because she'll likely never be able to win those people over anyway at this point.
This happened about ~45 minutes from where I work/teach. My mom lived in this town for the last few years. Couldnt believe it when I saw posts about it on facebook
Basileus777
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RBNY? I take it you're not talking about the Red Bulls of NY.
But Paul Ryan says he will pass it so...
These House members need their KOCH money. Say it out loud... fucked up.
I am actually. A lot of the Jersey fans I follow have been bitching about the repeal pretty hard, but RBNY twitter does seem to be a fairly liberal lot. That said everything quieted down today for the final.
They only passed the AHCA by 2 votes back then. They might get more votes from the crazy guys from the Freedom Caucus but they risk losing a ton of reps from Cali/New York and other states that would lose a lot of money under Graham-Cassidy.
BUT PAUL RYAN
Seriously though If you pass it, I pass it sounds like he has the numbers
He was also like five minutes away from putting the first failed attempt up for a vote.
Obama defends health care law, as Washington looks to "undo" progress
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-delivers-keynote-at-gates-foundation-event/
I just want to quote everything the article quoted Obama saying. But I'll just focus on this, which sums everything up pretty well.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obama-delivers-keynote-at-gates-foundation-event/
I just want to quote everything the article quoted Obama saying. But I'll just focus on this, which sums everything up pretty well.
That quote. Damn.
Alternatively it's a tone that was impossible for him to take as president (or immediately after) but is a good retorhical and moral device now.
The article ends on a more upbeat note as to be expected of Obama. But the quote I pulled pretty much nailed how we're feeling these days.
Guess that's somewhere in the marketing book on how to avoid responsibility. Sorta how Fox rails against the media despite being one of the most watched TV news networks.
Basileus777
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I don't agree with this reading of it at all.
NYCmetsfan
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that's not how progress is won in normal countries and the US before 1994
Aaron Strife
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GOP clearly has the votes, that's why they're hitting up Lisa Murkowski and (bahahaha) Joe Manchin.
BoboBrazil
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I think Republican voters will have to feel pain by their healthcare being lost before positive progress is made. They haven't felt the negative impact of their voting decision yet in a meaningful way. Of course Republicans will still try to find a way to put the blame on Democrats and Fox news will feed the propaganda to their viewers.
whyamihere
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I mean, do you actually think this or would anything he have said had elicited this response.
NYCmetsfan
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yes.
and its why your thesis is wrong and bad.
giving them free college, healthcare, etc will better loosen their grip on the GOP.
(one should look at how scared republicans are of bernie's plan to see this, they know what it would do)
Aaron Strife
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Obama: "All 52 Republicans have called me and said they each swore a contract in blood that they won't repeal ACA, also Trump and Pence stepped down but named Biden as VP right before, so he's president now and will veto any repeal bill if they go back on their word"
Diablos: "Obamacare is doomed"
No, it won't. You should do it, but you should expect massive electoral backlash because of the pendulum nature of the US's electoral politics.
We thought Obama would be different, but it turns out, the trends that led to the 2010 backlash have only accelerated and escalated.
NYCmetsfan
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Yes it will.
"This time, it will be different!"
I mean, why would it?
Yeah like Id really say that in such a scenario.
Fenderputty
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How long does a policy need to exist before it becomes untouchable? SS and such have come under attack and those attacks resulted in electoral losses. I remember similar sentiment surrounding Obamacare after his second election and the courts upheld the ACA. I suppose it hasn't been repealed yet, but this feels a lot closer than SS privatization under the Bush years for example. How long does the ACA need to exist before morons protest with sign proclaiming "keep government out of my Obamacare"
Why would anyone be sure that single payer, free college etc won't get immediately dismantled? How long would those things need to exist before they're become enshrined as gospel.
Why would anyone be sure that single payer, free college etc won't get immediately dismantled? How long would those things need to exist before they're become enshrined as gospel.
The huge problem with Obamacare politically is that it puts people in Medicaid and private insurance, often using state-run programs to do so. Those people don't know they're in Obamacare.
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