Stoney Mason
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PhoenixDark said:
Bill was always great at using his defense as his offense. Like a great counter puncher. I would love to see Obama adopt a bit more of that.
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Bill was always great at using his defense as his offense. Like a great counter puncher. I would love to see Obama adopt a bit more of that.
PrivateWHudson
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Tamanon said:
Yes.
edit: It's an outdated platform, and both Bush and McCain are against it.
On abortion being bad? Nearly all agree, but (and here's the rub) not all agree with Christians that life begins at conception. So an abortion within the first trimester to some religions really is not viewed anywhere close to murder. Just like it was during the times of Thomas Aquinas where the catholic church held that life didn't begin until after the third trimester. This birth at conception is a modern thing.PrivateWHudson said:
PrivateWHudson
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ronito said:
I bet a lot more people would agree on abortion if we could say first trimester...Fine. After that it takes a court order and a note from your doctor stating a medical necessity. But neither extremes of either party would let that happen.
PhoenixDark
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Incognito said:
Florida
fuuuck me. I won't get my hopes up but god damn if those people are motivated to vote...
polyh3dron
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me lolThe Lamonster said:So how many of you are actually getting paid right now?
Yeah, I don't disagree with the helping hand approach, but I also think that already happened to some extent with the 2005 energy bill. I think it's probably a bad decision to make in the current environment, but once all of the low hanging fruit has been snatched up, not only will we have a better sense of type of energy/economic environment these projects will be coming into, but also a better sense of what challenges the new plants will be facing. If nuclear has to be a significant point (and really it almost certainly will), I don't think having a few plants going live in 2020 vs 2018 will be a game breaker.Elfforkusu said:
typhonsentra
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It is 9/11. They can't fight too hard today.Fatalah said:
Spirit of Jazz
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laserbeam said:
Because it's a well known fact all rape victims are totally open about that fact. I'm not saying consensual sex don't make up the majority of abortion, but most social statistics are totally bullshit.
worldrunover
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Gaborn said:
They had an episode of House that had a similar scene. Incidentally it was also about aborting a fetus, but to save the mother's life. Anyway it was probably inspired by that picture.
So you're saying you would agree to this?
The Lamonster
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Rape/abortion thread is the other way --->Spirit of Jazz said:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/9/11/135228/469/887/595077
Daily Kos/Research 2000 daily tracker first day results are up.
Full cross tabs for every day of the poll will be disclosed. Transparency FTW.
Daily Kos/Research 2000 daily tracker first day results are up.
Full cross tabs for every day of the poll will be disclosed. Transparency FTW.
Son of Godzilla
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I seriously don't get the "She's Hot" brigade.element said:might be old, but this could be your new VP and possible future president.
Steve Youngblood
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A perfectly reasonable position. One that I would happily vote in favor for.PrivateWHudson said:
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PrivateWHudson said:
"We" have no say, and neither do the extremes of the parties (except tangentially during Supreme Court nomination hearings.) Five lawyers in Washington decide the policy based on emanations from penumbras. But a gestational limit is the norm in Europe, where I assume policy is set by legislatures and not judges.
Steve Youngblood said:
You guys do realize that basically IS the current Federal law regarding abortion, right? States can't interfere in the first trimester, but can put up plenty of restrictions after that. Beyond that, its all up to the states to say what the rules are. People spend so much time worrying about the Feds, but its the states that write the abortion laws, aside from a few Fed rules, like the late-term ban, etc.
PrivateWHudson
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ronito said:
I'm smart enough to know that I don't really know a whole lot and I'm open to changing my point of view when presented with new information.
The Lamonster
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omg teh flip flopPrivateWHudson said:
The Lamonster
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OMG THEY'RE STILL ALIVE!!!!
lol and playing the Wright card
PrivateWHudson
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The Lamonster said:
I'm also voting for Obama. Go figure.
Steve Youngblood
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Yes, but there is ambiguity out there that still determines that people will vote for a candidate just because of their perceived stance on the abortion debate, regardless of what is currently in place.lawblob said:
Personally, as naive as this is, I would love to see this settled once and for all. I'm tired of seeing this pop up again and again when I feel that there are more important, less divisive issues out there to be tackled. I'm pro-choice, and certainly disagree with making abortion illegal, but I'm not some pro-abortion nutjob who thinks it's a valid form of post-hoc contraception.
Again, I know it's too much to hope for, but I wish we could find some compromise that most could be happy with (extremists be damned) and just move on.
The Lamonster
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NO!Hootie said:
Obama has at least 4 offices in St. Louis county alone. Don't forget about the ground game. There is still hope.
soul creator
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Steve Youngblood said:
isn't that what Roe v Wade already says?
edit: beaten
The Lamonster
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5-6 points isn't what I'd call a fairly big lead. It's more like a motivating challenge.Hootie said:
Steve Youngblood
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Again, for clarification, popular opinion seems to be more based on perception of the issue, and less on what actually exists. I'm all in favor of a referendum on the topic that settles the issue in a reasonable compromise and takes it out of the national debates. It's not going to happen anytime soon, but I can dream.soul creator said:
Steve Youngblood said:
One of the best pieces written about politics & abortion, IMO, was actually Scalia's dissenting opinion in the Casey case. He basically said that it was a travesty that the Federal courts have been turned into petty political battlegrounds in which people try to wage their partisan wars by forcing judges to make political decisions.
Even though I consider myself moderately pro-choice, I totally agree with Scalia on this one. I wish the Feds would leave all abortion decisions up to the states, so this shit would quit infecting national politics. Instead, both sides use it as a wedge issue to piss people off, which ends up distracting from real issues.
NewLib: Roe v. Wade is no longer relevant law, it's been supplanted by Casey.
PrivateWHudson
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GhaleonEB said:
Pennsylvania to be exact. Where we love our guns and bibles.
but I've never owned a gun and only make it to church once a year.
Frank the Great
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That Daily Kos poll looks pretty good for Obama.
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DAILY KOS PRESIDENTIAL TRACKING POLL 2008
DATE MCCAIN OBAMA BARR NADER OTHER UND
11-Sep 45% 47% 2% 2% 1% 3%
MEN 49% 42% 3% 3% 1% 2%
WOMEN 42% 51% 1% 1% 1% 4%
DEM 13% 82% 1% 1% 1% 2%
REP 90% 7% 1% 1% 0% 1%
IND 44% 42% 4% 4% 1% 5%
OTH 45% 42% 3% 3% 2% 5%
WHITE 56% 35% 3% 2% 1% 3%
BLACK 4% 93% 0% 0% 0% 3%
LATINO 28% 67% 0% 1% 0% 4%
OTHER 6% 86% 0% 0% 0% 8%
18-29 31% 61% 0% 1% 0% 7%
30-44 48% 44% 4% 1% 1% 2%
45-59 44% 48% 2% 3% 1% 2%
60+ 54% 39% 1% 3% 1% 2%
NE 37% 55% 1% 2% 1% 4%
SOUTH 54% 38% 3% 1% 1% 3%
MIDWEST 43% 50% 2% 2% 1% 2%
WEST 44% 48% 2% 3% 1% 2%The Lamonster
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Obama 47% McCain 45% Barr 2% Nader 2%Frank the Great said:
for the lazy
Frank the Great
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It seems Barr and Nader are both equal spoilers.
Dahellisdat
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We won't go down without a fight.Hootie said:
The Lamonster
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I thought it would be more like 6% Barr and 1% Nader but I guess there's still lots of 'tards out there...still better than a McCain vote, though.Frank the Great said:
Frank the Great
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The Lamonster said:
If Barr gets 6% of the vote, expect an Obama landslide.
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