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PoliGAF Interim Thread of cunning stunts and desperate punts
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maximum360
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Zeliard said:
That was a terrible response. That crap you spout on the campaign trail to your groupies you repeat in a serious interview and expect to be taken seriously.
maximum360
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Mahadev said:
The GOP is so full of it. The media should go out in full force against them for this shady business....but they're too busy sensationalizing.
PrivateWHudson
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Dumb question time. Before campaigning for President, had Obama met and/or spoke with any foreign heads of state?
Thunder Monkey
Banned
That it is.laserbeam said:
He was on a role on Bill Maher two weeks ago.
PrivateWHudson said:
Yes
Edit: What Scorcho said.
http://abclocal.go.com/wls/story?section=news/local&id=3794382
speculawyer
Member
Here is the part that is really sad . . .
Even after being told what the Bush doctrine is (preventive war) SHE STILL GETS IT WRONG. What she talks about is preemptive war . . . something that is generally agreed to be legal under UN rules. The 'Bush doctrine' refers to preventive wars . . . wars when there IS NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT.
So in a way, I agree with her more than Bush. However, the fact that she has no idea what she is talking about negates all that. And besides, if she actually knew she didn't seem to agree with the Bush policy, she'd probably flip-flop.
PantherLotus said:
Even after being told what the Bush doctrine is (preventive war) SHE STILL GETS IT WRONG. What she talks about is preemptive war . . . something that is generally agreed to be legal under UN rules. The 'Bush doctrine' refers to preventive wars . . . wars when there IS NOT AN IMMINENT THREAT.
So in a way, I agree with her more than Bush. However, the fact that she has no idea what she is talking about negates all that. And besides, if she actually knew she didn't seem to agree with the Bush policy, she'd probably flip-flop.
Can we stop pretending that Republicans are anti black people? They're not anti black people, they're anti poor people. Granted either demographic tends to swing Democrat, but lets not try and act so racist by baiting like that.
That said, wow at trying to keep people who lost their homes from voting, that's insane. The Identification issue I can see and actually support but, shit, since when does losing your home put you on the same grounds as a felon and make you ineligable to vote? That shit should be illegal, what grounds do they even have to try such a thing?
That said, wow at trying to keep people who lost their homes from voting, that's insane. The Identification issue I can see and actually support but, shit, since when does losing your home put you on the same grounds as a felon and make you ineligable to vote? That shit should be illegal, what grounds do they even have to try such a thing?
The Blue Jihad
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reilo said:
I'm still really amazed by that. I entirely expected a bunch of softball family history questions. So for him to come out with specific, fair, and normal questions...got Gibson mega respect points in my book. Then with her failing the answers so badly. It was glorious. I'm not generally politically vindictive, either. But this kind of interview performance needed to happen.
Where do you get McCain has a 1/3 chance of dying in 4 years? You can't simply compare past president statistics because life expectancy and presidential security has changed significantly over the years. I do realize there is a possibility something could happen to him. It would be awesome if someone had formed that data into a decent prediction percentage haha.The Lamonster said:
Obama's premise on taxes can't exactly be illustrated in graph form. He has changed his tax policy several times since the primary. Hopefully the debate causes him to nail down and articulate an exact plan. Recently he has said that he might not repeal any of the Bush tax cuts, even to the wealthy, which is different than what he said earlier.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122091851312912585.html?mod=Letters
Although the Obama/McCain tax graph is from before June, since it deals strictly with income tax, it is likely still accurate even through his changes on other tax rates. Your post omits the capital gains tax and dividends tax. He has made remarks about the estate tax but it isn't exactly clear. Likely, this is where he will 'recuperate' money for his numerous plans by raising these taxes. Unfortunately people only dwell on the more well known income tax.
I found this, but it only describes intentions to meet with Palestinian and Israeli leaders, haven't found a news report of him actually doing so.scorcho said:
http://obama.senate.gov/news/060105-obama_making_1s/
Jesus. Fox News had a slate up about "Controversy surrounding Gibson's question to Palin". I actually thought maybe they were doing the right thing for once. Silly me.
http://www.yahoo.com/s/951946
Apparently, they were upset about the Iraq troops on a mission from God.
http://www.yahoo.com/s/951946
Apparently, they were upset about the Iraq troops on a mission from God.
PrivateWHudson
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thefit said:
Fair enough. It just sounded like a loaded question to ask of a governor.
it's Bush's 2002 National Security Strategy. the 2006 version effectively reiterates the same.thefit said:
edit: whoops. thought you were referring to the Bush Doctrine.
i imagine the only conditions that any foreign head of state would meet with a Senator(s) would be if he/she was part of an official Presidential diplomatic envoy.Hitokage said:
Again, his stance has been all over the place. 20% may be his newest figure, I don't know.Cloudy said:
Here he says 28-30% http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WpSDBu35K-8
I was just simply stating that his position has changed over the past few months.
It's becoming more and more apparent that the McCain administration is literally going to be an extension of the current one, minus Bush, but in exactly the same way. His camp - Cheney, Chertoff, Rove et al, have obviously made a deal:
"McCain, you're old, too old for that maverick bs. You're going to be president if we get you elected. What a great legacy to have for you and your family. Just go along with it and with us. We'll get you hired. Play along. "
This is roughly what they did with Bush.
"McCain, you're old, too old for that maverick bs. You're going to be president if we get you elected. What a great legacy to have for you and your family. Just go along with it and with us. We'll get you hired. Play along. "
This is roughly what they did with Bush.
Son of Godzilla
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How come she still has to bullshit even though she prepped for this interview for a week? Lincoln? What.Trakdown said:
The Chosen One
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Saw the whole Palin interview...
- The average uniformed voter will probably think she did decent enough. She babbled enough non-sense and talking points to at least give the illusion she knew what she was talking about.
- To the average informed voter she probably came off as a overly rehearsed 2nd rate politician. She made a lot of circular arguments and rarely addressed the questions at all. Obviously this is hardly unusual for politicians, but when you have to dodge/evade relatively tame questions from Charlie Gibson about basic experience & foreign policy competency, then you know there's a problem.
- She came across as someone who doesn't "think" too much. Numerous times she spoke of not hesitating about one thing or another, whether it was about foreign policy or accepting the VP job. Her responses were mostly empty rhetoric and it didn't seem like she used any critical thinking to come to her conclusions.
- Props to Gibson. It wasn't exactly a hard-hitting interview, but it wasn't a tee-ball game either. He actually called her out once for spewing non-sense and asked her to try to answer the question again.
- It's clear Palin won't have enough time to cram all the knowledge she needs to know for the debates and a real press conference. Her base-line of knowledge seems fairly low outside of Alaskan and Energy issues. The Gibson interview has already shown that just by referring to something as "Bush Doctrine" instead of "Pre-emptive strike" can totally throw her off. Notecards can only take you so far if you're ignorant of the underline events/situations. I've never been to Iraq but I could have answered all of Gibsons questions much better because I've read a ton of books on the subject and have been in-tune to the political news over the last several years as have most of poliGAF.
- Now it's painfully obvious why the McCain campaign has been keeping Palin in a bubble. In regards to Palin, they basically just want to run out the clock and hope she only needs to do the bare minimum of press events. After seeing this interview I can see how she would utterly crumble on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, a press conference, and etc. She's not a complete novice, after all she is a governor. But she's simply not ready for the big stage. They basically need to ride her popularity through the election and then hope everyone forgets about her for 6-9 months after the election while she learns on the job.
- The average uniformed voter will probably think she did decent enough. She babbled enough non-sense and talking points to at least give the illusion she knew what she was talking about.
- To the average informed voter she probably came off as a overly rehearsed 2nd rate politician. She made a lot of circular arguments and rarely addressed the questions at all. Obviously this is hardly unusual for politicians, but when you have to dodge/evade relatively tame questions from Charlie Gibson about basic experience & foreign policy competency, then you know there's a problem.
- She came across as someone who doesn't "think" too much. Numerous times she spoke of not hesitating about one thing or another, whether it was about foreign policy or accepting the VP job. Her responses were mostly empty rhetoric and it didn't seem like she used any critical thinking to come to her conclusions.
- Props to Gibson. It wasn't exactly a hard-hitting interview, but it wasn't a tee-ball game either. He actually called her out once for spewing non-sense and asked her to try to answer the question again.
- It's clear Palin won't have enough time to cram all the knowledge she needs to know for the debates and a real press conference. Her base-line of knowledge seems fairly low outside of Alaskan and Energy issues. The Gibson interview has already shown that just by referring to something as "Bush Doctrine" instead of "Pre-emptive strike" can totally throw her off. Notecards can only take you so far if you're ignorant of the underline events/situations. I've never been to Iraq but I could have answered all of Gibsons questions much better because I've read a ton of books on the subject and have been in-tune to the political news over the last several years as have most of poliGAF.
- Now it's painfully obvious why the McCain campaign has been keeping Palin in a bubble. In regards to Palin, they basically just want to run out the clock and hope she only needs to do the bare minimum of press events. After seeing this interview I can see how she would utterly crumble on Meet the Press, Face the Nation, a press conference, and etc. She's not a complete novice, after all she is a governor. But she's simply not ready for the big stage. They basically need to ride her popularity through the election and then hope everyone forgets about her for 6-9 months after the election while she learns on the job.
Son of Godzilla said:
That was most likely what they told her to say. I mean, Lincoln was a republican afterall. So hey, must be ok.
Her biggest problem with a lot of this is that she comes off as the normal politician. Not directly answering questions, changing the meaning of things at will, delaying, stalling, and just generally talking out of her ass. Reform indeed.
speculawyer
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You gotta admit that there is an anti-black subset in the GOP. Racist David Duke has run in various parties but managed to win a Republican primary and serve as a Republican in the Louisiana House of Representatives.mAcOdIn said:
The modern GOP is mostly not racist . . . but there is definitely racist subgroup. It is not an accident that Jesse Helms and Strom Thurmond were Republicans.
And yes, they largely were formerly in the Democratic party but they became Dixiecrats and then Republicans as the Democrats supported the civil rights movement.
RobotChant
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BrandNew said:
This has always been his shtick. He doesn't open with the random punchlines and zingers instead does of a topic driven monologue with humor thrown in.
Byakuya769
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140.85 said:
hahahahahah.
At you, definitely not with you.
DeathbyVolcano
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RobotChant said:
Wow, I never knew that. I've only seen one other one of his monologue's where he was talking about his alcoholism, but I thought it was an isolated incident. I might have to tape him while I watch Conan.
Stoney Mason
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The Chosen One said:
Pretty much agree completely.
PantherLotus
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I'm watching these interviews with her and, is she slouching really bad or is the chair too big for her? She does this weird thing where she leans forward while slouching. Horrendous body language.
Non-dominant.
Non-dominant.
speculawyer
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It is from insurance actuary tables. They've been doing this for hundreds of years now, they know what they are doing. And that stat is not even taking into account the fact that he's had bouts with cancer.devilhawk said:
Duke Togo said:
That sounds like the premise to a nice 527 just before election time, think about it as the Obama campaigns version of the Daisy/nuclear commercial.
Guy walks around a devastated post apocalyptic city, walks up to a line of homeless looking men waiting in a soup kitchen line, he asks, "What happened?" one man turns and responds, "we got fooled again, but you can still change the future, there is still HOPE." he turns back to receive his daily portion of gruel the food server, a tough looking female wearing glasses in a black uniform, reminiscent of the SS, with a big red R patched onto the chest. She looks down at the poor man and drops his food too the floor then proceeds to laughs in menacing way.
bggrthnjsus
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oh god that interview was so awful
if those two boneheads win the election i will be so embarrassed
if those two boneheads win the election i will be so embarrassed
Byakuya769
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PantherLotus said:
She is obviously not ready to be a pack leader (dog whisperer). Sad thing is, a friend of mine had seen a 10 second piece of the interview and thought she came off as commanding. I had to then force him to watch the entire interview... he quickly changed his mind. Commanding became - "she doesn't know shit".
He was pretty mad, cause she's really an insult to voters... but are voters smart enough to catch on?
AndyIsTheMoran
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speculawyer said:
yeah your right...robert byrd wasnt racist at all with his white n*gger statement. need i remind you he is still serving today
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