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[mckmas8808]

Hardly surprising considering his background and Obama's "lack of experience" stigma.

Don't start this crap. Gallup just released a poll tha sad Obama and McCain are tied when it comes to Iraq.

So NO its not as wide a margin as some would think. The narrative on Iraq for McCain and the MSM isn't working just yet.

Oh and like I said on the last page Screw Nader. That statement is so racist.

 

[The Librarian]

Wtf is Nader thinking?

 

[GhaleonEB]

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...lection_2008_california_presidential_election

California
Obama - 58 (52)
McCain - 30 (38)

Watch California! :lol

To paraphrase McCain's strategy briefing, his unique appeal to independents creates an opportunity for him in California.

Believe.

Edit: http://www.jamesdobsondoesntspeakforme.com/

 

[mckmas8808]

Wtf is Nader thinking?

Racist thoughts. And he has to be pissed that he is losing his liberal base too.

And obviously losing to a black man has him a bit worried.

 

[ToxicAdam]

Nader says he's on to Obama strategy:

"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician. He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."

I respect Nadar. He has done more in his life than I ever will. But I hope America can begin to ostracise this type of racism out of the public conversation. It's tricky because I've seen all types of people be guilty of it (liberals, conservatives, blacks and whites). He's essentially saying that Obama doesn't "act black". This preconcieved notion of what a black man should sound like, speak/care about and behave. He's accusing Obama of deliberately altering his personality to appease white people.

But, that's politics. All of them (politicians) deliberately alter their personalities to appease the broadest amount of people possible. In an ideal world, that wouldn't have to happen. But that's where its at.

 

[Frank the Great]

The point is that there is no such thing as a "black personality" which would need to be altered to appeal to whites.

 

[Justin Bailey]

I respect Nadar. He has done more in his life than I ever will. But I hope America can begin to ostracise this type of racism out of the public conversation. It's tricky because I've seen all types of people be guilty of it (liberals, conservatives, blacks and whites). He's essentially saying that Obama doesn't "act black". This preconcieved notion of what a black man should sound like, speak/care about and behave. He's accusing Obama of deliberately altering his personality to appease white people.

But, that's politics. All of them deliberately alter their personalities to appease to the broadest amount of people possible. In an ideal world, that wouldn't have to happen. But that's where its at.

Yeah and like someone else said earlier, these types of statements are much more racist in nature than "nappy-headed hoes" or anything like that.

 

[Kitschkraft]

The point is that there is no such thing as a "black personality" which would need to be altered to appeal to whites.

I don't think that Nader is saying that there is some biological black behavior that Obama is secretly suppressing.

What he seems to be saying, in the simplest of terms, is that Obama can't risk coming off as "too black", and I agree with him 100 percent on that.

If Obama was out there making an issue of things like police brutality, speaking out on shit like Jena 6, talking about the unfairness in the justice system, etc etc etc, he would be labeled as "militant" or some other label and that would be the end of him.

I'm surprised that some of you seem to have never came across this kind of stuff before. I know exactly what Nader is talking about.

I agree with him except on the "white guilt" thing. He seems to have just sorta thrown that in there, by "not saying that black is beautiful", you're not appealing to white guilt, in fact, you're really appealing to white racism/prejudices.

 

[Kitschkraft]

I really don't know that much about Nader, if he has some sort of history of racism or something then thats another thing entirely.

But too say that things can't be "too black" in this country is a ridiculous statement to me.

Edit : What I'm saying is that I don't think he means "talking white" in the sense that it is usually meant.

 

[Cyan]

Wtf is Nader thinking?

He's hoping to grab some headlines and get people talking about him.

And it seems to be working, on us at least. From not talking about him at all to "OMG Nadergate!"

Of course, it won't last.

 

[kaching]

The part that's really offbase about Nader's comment is the suggestion that Obama has put on a face for voters, but when has he ever behaved demonstrably different than he has been in the presidential race?

If he's putting on a show, he's been doing it a hell of a lot longer than this campaign.

 

[Kitschkraft]

The part that's really offbase about Nader's comment is the suggestion that Obama has put on a face for voters, but when has he ever behaved demonstrably different than he has been in the presidential race?

If he's putting on a show, he's been doing it a hell of a lot longer than this campaign.

It's not like Obama is out there lying to voters about what he wants to accomplish, however, I don't think that it's out of bounds for Nader to suggest that Barack is constantly aware of his crossover appeal.

We know for a fact that Michelle has already been pegged as "too black" by the media....when people say that Barack is more "post-racial" then his wife, they are saying the same thing that Nader is saying.

 

[kaching]

Sorry, Liara, but Nader's comment doesn't simplify to "Barack is aware of his crossover appeal". He states a direct and intentional appeal to "white guilt" by Obama. That's not simply awareness that he happens to appeal, that's intent and design to appeal.

 

[Cheebs]

Does Nader at all realize that maybe JUST MAYBE Obama's personality is what it is because raised by white grandparents and a white mother and he grew up in a state with a non-existent black population and it isn't all some charade like Nader thinks?

 

[GhaleonEB]

Sorry, Liara, but Nader's comment doesn't simplify to "Barack is aware of his crossover appeal". He states a direct and intentional appeal to "white guilt" by Obama. That's not simply awareness that he happens to appeal, that's intent and design to appeal.

Here's a longer version of the quote:

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American," Nader said. "Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards." ...

"Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to 'talk white,' Nader said: 'Of course. ... I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law,' Nader said. 'Haven't heard a thing.'" ...

" 'He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician,' Nader said. 'He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up.'"

Is it because he wants to talk white?

You don't get much more blatant than that.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/25/1166412.aspx

 

[mckmas8808]

I really don't know that much about Nader, if he has some sort of history of racism or something then thats another thing entirely.

But too say that things can't be "too black" in this country is a ridiculous statement to me.

Edit : What I'm saying is that I don't think he means "talking white" in the sense that it is usually meant.

The man is straight accussing Obama of fronting in front of the whole country. And what is too black? What would Obama be doing or saying had he not been running for office?

Is it impossible that Obama might actually be what he seems to be to us?

 

[Incognito]

...ZZzzzz.

Anyway, I usually have to bathe myself after reading one on MoDo's columns, but today she really goes after Rove.

...Rove’s mythmaking about Obama won’t fly. If he means that Obama has brains, what’s wrong with that? If he means that Obama is successful, what’s wrong with that? If he means that Obama has education and intellectual sophistication, what’s wrong with that?

Many of Obama’s traits are the traits that people in the population aspire to.

It looks as if Rove is on the verge of realizing his dream of creating a permanent position for the Republicans.

Unfortunately for him, it’s in the minority.

More Phony Myths

 

[mckmas8808]

Here's a longer version of the quote:



Is it because he wants to talk white?

You don't get much more blatant than that.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/06/25/1166412.aspx

Fuck Nader and his racist ass. This is 10 times worst than anything Imus said.

And Hillary thought she had it tough with sexism. There's racism everywhere around Obama and some people are straight open about it.

And you know what's so bad? Its that these people are soooo open about it assuming that its normal to think this way.

Again fuck Nader and his broken presidential run.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Sorry, Liara, but Nader's comment doesn't simplify to "Barack is aware of his crossover appeal". He states a direct and intentional appeal to "white guilt" by Obama. That's not simply awareness that he happens to appeal, that's intent and design to appeal.

"There's only one thing different about Barack Obama when it comes to being a Democratic presidential candidate. He's half African-American. Whether that will make any difference, I don't know. I haven't heard him have a strong crackdown on economic exploitation in the ghettos. Payday loans, predatory lending, asbestos, lead. What's keeping him from doing that? Is it because he wants to talk white? He doesn't want to appear like Jesse Jackson? We'll see all that play out in the next few months and if he gets elected afterwards.


To me, it sounds like Nader is bringing up some of the more "urban" issues in the country, and questioning why Obama doesn't speak out on them more, concluding that it is because he simply can't appear to be too "militant". Thats a fair concern to me, and it's not a concern that is uncommon among blacks, especially earlier in Obama's campaign (Ever since it really took off, I haven't seen it around as much.) Basically, Nader is questioning whether Obama will throw these kinds of issues under the bus for his election.

Let me ask you, what do you think would happen if Obama came out tomorrow with a message against racist profiling by police forces?

And once again, the "talk white" thing doesn't appear to be in the context that many are taking it. Why would he say "talk white" and then go on to reference Jesse Jackson, who regardless of what you think of him, is an excellent and powerful public speaker, and is "articulate" (The medias way of referring to blacks who don't use AAVE, or, "talk black").

"He wants to show that he is not a threatening . . . another politically threatening African-American politician. He wants to appeal to white guilt. You appeal to white guilt not by coming on as black is beautiful, black is powerful. Basically he's coming on as someone who is not going to threaten the white power structure, whether it's corporate or whether it's simply oligarchic. And they love it. Whites just eat it up."

The "white guilt" phrase seems out of context with me. Once again, not coming off as "too black" is appealing to white racism, not guilt.

I truthfully don't even agree with the term "white guilt", to me, it sounds like something conservatives made up to scare white youth from connecting with black progressives like they used to do in the 60's and 70's. Regardless, white guilt generally refers to whites that accept black militancy or radicalism. Not whites that like a black candidate for who all intents and purposes, comes off no different then their own family members.

 

[Kitschkraft]

"Asked to clarify whether he thought Obama does try to 'talk white,' Nader said: 'Of course. ... I mean, first of all, the number one thing that a black American politician aspiring to the presidency should be is to candidly describe the plight of the poor, especially in the inner cities and the rural areas, and have a very detailed platform about how the poor is going to be defended by the law, is going to be protected by the law, and is going to be liberated by the law,' Nader said. 'Haven't heard a thing.'" ...

Seems pretty clear from this quote that Nader is talking about issues, and not some behavior or personality thing. I think he's playing games of course, he knows damn well that Obama can't be out there all "We are going to fix the projects"...however, his concerns are valid to me, I can't fault him for trying to interject poverty and black plight into the equation.

Regardless, on a side note, the "talk white"/"talk black" stuff wouldn't be an issue if people just accepted everyone for who they are in the first place.

The man is straight accussing Obama of fronting in front of the whole country. And what is too black? What would Obama be doing or saying had he not been running for office?

Is it impossible that Obama might actually be what he seems to be to us?

Don't be naive. Mostly every single black leader was "too black" at the time they were alive, and only after the decades following their (usually assassination) death were they praised.

MLK was "too black" at one point.

 

[bob_arctor]

Mr. Cohen is just pointing out the obvious. Sen. McCain had a highly distinctive experience as a POW who refused early release despite being tortured that voters will consider when assessing his candidacy. He is not blaming Sen. Obama for not being a POW. How is that something to be mad about?

Obama might have a similar bottom line, core principles for which, in some sense, he is willing to die. If so, we don’t know what they are. Nothing so far in his life approaches McCain’s decision to refuse repatriation as a POW so as to deny his jailors a propaganda coup. In fact, there is scant evidence the Illinois senator takes positions that challenge his base or otherwise threaten him politically. That’s why his reversal on campaign financing and his transparently false justification of it matter more than similar acts by McCain.

Actually, it sounds like he is blaming Obama, though it's purposely misplaced blame for Cohen's own inability to latch onto some imaginary metric with which he can gauge Obama's honor, integrity and willingness to die in relation to whatever retarded pandering and flip-flopping may occur on the stump. It would be interesting if Cohen took it further and simply announced his breaking point; the line even McCain, straight-talking POW, couldn't cross without backlash. Cohen seems to suggest that McCain is infallible in this regard which to me is a recipe for disaster considering the one we've had in the White House for the last 8 years.

 

[mckmas8808]

Liara Obama just talked about those black issues a week or two ago in a black church on fathers day.

Why are you of all people taking up for Nader? He is basically trying to piegion hole Obama to talking about Black only issues like Jesse Jackson.

WHY?! Why can't a black politician like Obama run for president without acting like Jesse Jackson?

 

[kaching]

Liara, you're trying to interpret for Nader and frankly I don't care. He answers a direct question of whether Obama TRIES to 'talk white' with the answer, "Of Course..." It's not even the racist overtones that bother me as much as the implied disassembly on Obama's part. That's really the more insidious part of Nader's comments - that Obama isn't what he appears to be. Yet Nader provides no evidence that Obama has ever approached issues differently than he is now.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

PHOTOS: BARACK OBAMA heads to LA from Las Vegas for a Hollywood fundraiser yesterday evening

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., gets off the campaign charter plane in Los Angeles, Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Actor Samuel L. Jackson arrives at a fundraiser for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Stefano Paltera)

An unidentified woman takes a picture of the shoes of musician Will.I.Am, standing, with the slogan 'Yes We Can' at a fundraiser for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Stefano Paltera)

Actor Dennis Quaid and his wife Kimberly arrives at a fundraising event for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Actor Don Cheadle, right, arrives with a guest at a fundraiser for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Stefano Paltera)

Supporters arrive at a fundraising event for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Actress Jennifer Beales arrives at a fundraising event for Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., waves after leaving a fundraiser with his aid Reggie Love behind, in Los Angeles Tuesday, June 24, 2008. (AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., poses for a picture with members of the California Highway Patrol on the tarmac at the airport in Los Angeles, Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., poses for a picture with members of the California Highway Patrol on the tarmac at the airport in Los Angeles, Tuesday, June 24, 2008.
(AP Photo/Alex Brandon)

 

[Door2Dawn]

Samuel L. Jackson!!!


/swoon

 

[mckmas8808]

So basically Obama has to say, "lets fix up dis hoodz G!" Instead of, "we need to inprove the lives of people in the inner city. Along with those people struggling in the midwest in small towns."

Because Liara I don't know if you realize it or not, but Obama talks about improving the ghettoz a lot. He just doesn't use that terminolgy that the other black leaders would use.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Liara Obama just talked about those black issues a week or two ago in a black church on fathers day.

Obama's speech was perfectly written to appeal to white conservatives, as well as chastise dead-beat dads (Who deserve it, but who are also not the sole or even majority reason for generations of blacks in poverty conditions).

Decent article on that : http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1816485,00.html

Why are you of all people taking up for Nader? He is basically trying to piegion hole Obama to talking about Black only issues like Jesse Jackson.

No, to me it sounds like he's questioning whether a black candidate can ever really speak on black issues without coming off as "too black".

Remember when Clinton made that apology for slavery? It was relatively big at the time. Do you think that Obama can do something like that? Of course not, conservatives are already on their "he's going to damage whites" bs, Obama is the least likely to take a strong look at critical racial wedge-issues. He CAN'T do it and be seen as the president of all of America at once. To me, it's not that big of a deal, no different then having another president in there, but what I feel Nader is saying is that some of these issues should be pushed to the FOREFRONT of our politics, and that they WON'T be with a candidate that can't even go to his own damned church without people making a fuss.

WHY?! Why can't a black politician like Obama run for president without acting like Jesse Jackson?

Who says he can't? Obama obviously is doing that.

Liara, you're trying to interpret for Nader and frankly I don't care. He answers a direct question of whether Obama TRIES to 'talk white' with the answer, "Of Course..." It's not even the racist overtones that bother me as much as the implied disassembly on Obama's part. That's really the more insidious part of Nader's comments - that Obama isn't what he appears to be. Yet Nader provides no evidence that Obama has ever approached issues differently than he is now.

So, you believe that Nader was saying that Obama is "talking white" by using standard english?

Suit yourself, it's clear to me that he was speaking on something a bit deeper then that.

I didn't personally take it as one of those right-wing, "Obama can't be trusted" type critiques, honestly, if thats what I thought he meant I would be the first to critique Nader. I am just assuming that he is a rather intelligent man, that was talking about a nuanced issue that many people don't like getting into, and saying that I myself, along with others I know, have have similar concerns. I feel that many of these concerns have been somewhat drowned out by the pure excitement of Obama's candidacy, which is a great thing, but I see nothing wrong with taking a critical look at race and this election.

 

[GhaleonEB]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/21472245 (audio excerpts from the interview)

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/21472234 (text excerpts)

Shortly after Barack Obama claimed victory in the fight for the Democratic nomination, I joined him aboard his chartered 757 campaign plane as a member of the press corps. He was flying from Chicago to Appleton, Wisconsin, for a town-hall meeting, one of a series he was doing in Midwestern and swing states to address constituencies he might have missed during the primaries — and, of course, to get some warm-up practice for any town-hall debates he has with John McCain.

The first thing I notice about the plane is how low-key it is, all coach seating from back (the press) to front (the candidate). There is no separate compartment for this potential president; he just holds down the second row for himself and his newspapers. There are no more than 10 staffers on the plane, and a dozen or more rows are empty, separating the senator from the Secret Service contingent and two dozen members of the traveling press corps. It's not a big day or a big event: The primaries are done, and none of the media big names are along.

So far in this campaign, despite their evident admiration, Obama has held the press at a respectful distance. The limit for our interview is going to be 50 minutes, which I think says a lot about him and his campaign. Most every other presidential candidate I've met and interviewed has tended to be gregarious, talkative almost to a fault, eager to please and eager to impress. Obama, by contrast, is quiet, collected and effortlessly precise.

His calmness is reflected in the smooth and controlled campaign he is overseeing. In conversation, his thoughtfulness is punctuated by an easy wit, much as his clockwork campaign is a stage for his eloquence and charismatic gifts as a leader.

I am often asked, "What's he like?" If you really want to know, read Dreams From My Father. It's all in there, and it's a wonderful piece of writing in its own right.

When we are done, his parting words are delivered with a dazzling smile: "OK, brother — take care."

 

[Kitschkraft]

So basically Obama has to say, "lets fix up dis hoodz G!" Instead of, "we need to inprove the lives of people in the inner city. Along with those people struggling in the midwest in small towns."

LOL, c'mon now.

You're up and arms about Naders "talk black" comment, painting him as a racist that thinks that Obama is talking white by using standard english, but here you are throwing out the same type of tired stuff.

I definitely do not think that Nader was on this tip when he spoke about "talk white". I don't see how anyone can read all of these quotes and come to the conclusion that Nader things that Obama secretly uses AAVE in his everyday life, and that he puts on an accent in the public eye. Thats just not what he was hinting at.

Because Liara I don't know if you realize it or not, but Obama talks about improving the ghettoz a lot. He just doesn't use that terminolgy that the other black leaders would use.

Obama has obviously talked about poverty, crime, drugs, etc etc etc quite a bit in the past. I'm not trying to get into it with you or anyone, I'm just trying to say that I agree that there is issues that Obama won't be able to speak on without being seen as divisive. While this is true for most candidates, Obama has some specific issues due to being a black man trying to run a white country. While I don't feel that Obama has ever lied to the people, or that he is being dishonest in his appearance, I do believe that he will and may even have to tiptoe around certain issues more lightly because of his color.

Edit : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/u...em&ex=1214366400&en=fa71670e7b8ffaa9&ei=5087

This article in the times talks about Muslims who feel similar to the attitude that I believe Nader was describing.

 

[kaching]

So, you believe that Nader was saying that Obama is "talking white" by using standard english?

No, where have I said anything about "standard english"? I have only referenced what Nader himself equated with "talking white" - speaking to issues that appeal to whites and avoiding issues that make him sound too biased towards black empowerment. Nader doesn't appear to reference diction and neither have I.

 

[Boogie]

I think we've found our veep.

 

[Kitschkraft]

No, where have I said anything about "standard english"? I have only referenced what Nader himself equated with "talking white" - speaking to issues that appeal to whites and avoiding issues that make him sound too biased towards black empowerment. Nader doesn't appear to reference diction and neither have I.

I've been arguing with you and someone else, so I got you two confused.

If you understand what Nader was trying to say, whats your gripe with it?

 

[mckmas8808]

LOL, c'mon now.

You're up and arms about Naders "talk black" comment, painting him as a racist that thinks that Obama is talking white by using standard english, but here you are throwing out the same type of tired stuff.

I definitely do not think that Nader was on this tip when he spoke about "talk white". I don't see how anyone can read all of these quotes and come to the conclusion that Nader things that Obama secretly uses AAVE in his everyday life, and that he puts on an accent in the public eye. Thats just not what he was hinting at.



Obama has obviously talked about poverty, crime, drugs, etc etc etc quite a bit in the past. I'm not trying to get into it with you or anyone, I'm just trying to say that I agree that there is issues that Obama won't be able to speak on without being seen as divisive. While this is true for most candidates, Obama has some specific issues due to being a black man trying to run a white country. While I don't feel that Obama has ever lied to the people, or that he is being dishonest in his appearance, I do believe that he will and may even have to tiptoe around certain issues more lightly because of his color.

Edit : http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/24/u...em&ex=1214366400&en=fa71670e7b8ffaa9&ei=5087

This article in the times talks about Muslims who feel similar to the attitude that I believe Nader was describing.

You do realize that Nader is blaming Obama about something right? So what do you think Nader meant when he said Obama is "acting white"?

 

[Odrion]

If Samuel L Jackson actually bald and fat (well, the face is chubby) now? Is this for a new role?

 

[kaching]

If you understand what Nader was trying to say, whats your gripe with it?

...

I'm not repeating myself. Since you're expending so much effort to understand Nader, do me the same courtesy. I think I've been clear in my previous statements.

 

[Kitschkraft]

You do realize that Nader is blaming Obama about something right? So what do you think Nader meant when he said Obama is "acting white"?

Blaming Obama for what?

When Nader said Obama had to "talk white", he meant that Obama had to refrain from racially divisive issues that could lead to him being seen as "militant".

...

I'm not repeating myself. Since you're expending so much effort to understand Nader, do me the same courtesy. I think I've been clear in my previous statements.

Um...okay....:lol

I'm not expending effort to understand Nader, I am wasting time trying to explain him.

Honestly, I think that you are just bitter that Nader implied that white Obama supporters are voting for him based on white guilt. And now your both salty at me for defending his critical look at race and politics. I don't know why you support Obama and I don't care, I do care about the concern that politicians have to throw certain issues and people under the bus to get elected, and I feel that that is the meat of what Nader was talking about.

 

[Azih]

I think that you are just bitter that Nader implied that white Obama supporters are voting for him based on white guilt

Well that's the part that offended me (and I'm not even white).

that politicians have to throw certain issues and people under the bus to get elected

Throwing under the bus is a bit strong of a term isn't it? And doesn't apply to the black community at all in any case.

 

[Kitschkraft]

Well that's the part that offended me (and I'm not even white). Throwing under the bus is a bit strong of a term isn't it? And doesn't apply to the black community at all in any case.

I agree that it is annoying when people say "they're just supporting him because he's black"....for one, because I think thats a bit ridiculous, considering that his opposition is a "yes man" to the worst president in history, it should be of no surprise that Obama has support. Secondly because of what I said earlier, in that I don't believe the term "white guilt", as whites have supported black causes in the past, and I believe that conservatives try and paint those that do now as "sell outs" of some sort when in reality they may be doing whats right.

I'm not saying that Obama is throwing people under the bus, it was just a figure of speech I used at the moment, however, like I said earlier, I wouldn't expect him to be out there speaking against police brutality anytime soon. This is the reality of elections, and it's not like this is unique to Obama.

Just think of how bad it would look for McSame if he came out in support of raising funding for retirement homes.............:lol :lol :lol

 

[maximum360]

Barack talks "white" and Michelle says "whitey" = GOP confused on how to attack.

The GOP's attempts to find a label that sticks to Obama has been epic fail. It's not that one of these labels couldn't work, it's just that the message from their surrogates is confusing to the public. One says Obama is a raving anti-american muslim, while another says Obama is talking too much about the bible and distorting it when talking about religions and christianity in general.

 

[worldrunover]

Does anyone feel like McCain wouldn't be a *terrible* president? I mean, he has a record of being very bi-partisan, and while his economic policies do seem to mirror Bush, there's a good chance neither guy will fix the economy in any short term way.

Not saying I would vote for him, but I still think out of the choices (Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney) he was probably the best. It's not the end of the world if he's elected.

Or am I insane?

 

[HylianTom]

Does anyone feel like McCain wouldn't be a *terrible* president? I mean, he has a record of being very bi-partisan, and while his economic policies do seem to mirror Bush, there's a good chance neither guy will fix the economy in any short term way.

Not saying I would vote for him, but I still think out of the choices (Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney) he was probably the best. It's not the end of the world if he's elected.

Or am I insane?

Supreme Court nominees makes this a no-go for me. He may be gone in four or eight years, and he might possibly even be slightly better than Bush during that time, but his special brand of appointees will still be around when I'm an old man.

 

[Deus Ex Machina]

John McCain: World War III Would Justify DRAFT

June 25, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/25/mccain-world-war-iii-woul_n_109121.html

" John McCain said last night during a campaign tele-conference that he would bring back a military draft in the United States only in the case of a 'World War III' scenario."

But McCain may be more open to the draft than it seems. During a July 2006 interview on CNN, McCain was asked about the following statement by Newt Gingrich: "We're in the early stages of what I would describes as the Third World War and, frankly, our bureaucracies aren't responding fast enough." Asked whether he agreed, McCain said:

"I do to some extent. I think it's important to recognize that we have terrorist organizations which -- who are dangerous by themselves, are now being supported by radical Islamic governments, i.e., the Iranians, which makes them incredibly more dangerous because they are trained, equipped, motivated and assisted in every way by the Iranians."

McCain '06: We're in the early stages of WW III

 

[HylianTom]

John McCain: World War III Would Justify DRAFT

Not to worry. The networks will ignore it.

For the next hour: Dobson's comments on Obama!

 

[Kitschkraft]

Does anyone feel like McCain wouldn't be a *terrible* president? I mean, he has a record of being very bi-partisan, and while his economic policies do seem to mirror Bush, there's a good chance neither guy will fix the economy in any short term way.

Not saying I would vote for him, but I still think out of the choices (Guiliani, Huckabee, Romney) he was probably the best. It's not the end of the world if he's elected.

Or am I insane?

Foreign Policy is the most important issue to me and on that McSame seems to be even worse then Bush. I'm nearly certain that a McSame presidency will result in a War in Iran. I don't care about his stupid commercials, he loves war, I can tell by the way he talks about it, he wants it, he's a guy that was tortured by "gooks" (As he himself put it) in Vietnam for years, he's a guy that wants to be seen as a "War President" just as Bush humorously described himself.

McSames most honest moment that I have seen during this election was the townhall meeting where he said 100 years. The post-manipulation of the comment means nothing to me, he was asked a question, and in a matter-of-fact, honest, almost irrelevant way, he responded like it was nothing to him. "Maybe 100 years".......he could have been asking for a cup of coffee when he said this and the tone wouldn't have been any different.

Honestly, I think that whoever the republicans could have put in there would be worse then Bush is right now. I think that progressives throughout the country need to realize that right now, we are dealing with a president who is so depleted of any credibility that he won't even really attempt to make any real policy decisions for the remainder of his time in office. Bush had a bad run, and his time is creeping towards a closing. McSame, or Romney, or Guiliani or whoever would enter the whitehouse with their hearts set on the middle east and how can the entire world become Americanized.

I can only call Ron Paul better then Bush out of the republican front this year....

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

When Nader said Obama had to "talk white", he meant that Obama had to refrain from racially divisive issues that could lead to him being seen as "militant".

He defines what a black candidate should be talking about, and then says Obama is specifically not doing that for political purposes. It seems doubly offensive, and this is coming from someone who voted for Nader last go around.

 

[syllogism]

So not only does Republican Sen Gordon Smith's campaign run the above ad, nakedly tying themselves to the Democratic nominee, but they just blasted out to reporters the Oregonian piece today detailing the remarkable spot.

The lede: "Oregon Sen. Gordon Smith, stepping up his efforts to run from his Republican roots in his advertising, on Tuesday released a new TV commercial that promotes his ties to Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama."

Everybody knows it's hard out there for the GOP, and especially in a state like Oregon. But Smith, an early backer of McCain in the primary, is making life difficult for his GOP colleague by breaking the ice for other blue-state Republican to hug Obama. And, keep in mind, Oregon is a state McCain's campaign actually has some hope for and where they went to have the candidate deliver a major climate change speech.

This piece: http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1214364316315120.xml&coll=7

Amazing

 

[mckmas8808]

John McCain: World War III Would Justify DRAFT

June 25, 2008

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/06/25/mccain-world-war-iii-woul_n_109121.html

McCain '06: We're in the early stages of WW III

What's wrong with McCain?! Why bring up the draft? Now Obama can use that as a campaign issue. You don't want a draft vote Obama!

Its that easy.

 

[Star Power]

It's problematic for an old white guy to say Obama is "talking white," but honestly I agree with what Nader said 100%. I still support Obama, though, because I understand that that's what he has to do in order to have a shot to win... if Obama spoke to 'black issues'/ was more racialized then he would have absolutely no shot of winning, he'd be marginalized from the start.

 

[BrokenFiction]

Didn't know if this was new thread worthy, seeing as it's political, but yet another member of the cast of "Predator" has decided to seek public service. This time it's Billy. He's looking to unseat Mitch McConnell as a libertarian candidate for Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/actor.senate.ap/index.html

 

[JoshuaJSlone]

Didn't know if this was new thread worthy, seeing as it's political, but yet another member of the cast of "Predator" has decided to seek public service. This time it's Billy. He's looking to unseat Mitch McConnell as a libertarian candidate for Senate.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/06/25/actor.senate.ap/index.html

Hmm. I always thought the Predator itself was the Libertarian of the group.