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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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JoshuaJSlone
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Fig-eating apes are the new latte-sipping liberals.
Deus Ex Machina
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CBS News: Israel Prodding U.S. To Attack IranDeus Ex Machina said:
June 24, 2008
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/06/24/...in4206201.shtml
Nicceee.Deus Ex Machina said:
http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2546114820080625?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews
More offshore drilling does little at the pump: EIA
More offshore drilling does little at the pump: EIA
Deus Ex Machina
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Obama's family pretty much reflects all of America...Zonar said:
I think that's one reason so many people, particularly Gens X and younger, are drawn to him. He represents the multicultural present and future of America that people like Pat Buchanan fear so much.
Femmeworth
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Hell yeah. I don't care if Obama eats babies, I'd vote for his as long as he is strictly against the draft. I'll have to add that to my list of reasons to not like McCain. Though, considering he's a vet, I shouldn't be surprised that he would say that.mckmas8808 said:
The Librarian
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From what I could read of it, that was good.GhaleonEB said:
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/21472245 (audio excerpts from the interview)
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/coverstory/21472234 (text excerpts)
mckmas8808
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Star Power said:
What are black issues?
FUCK YA!
Did anyone else just catch Obama's press conference speech on energy? He completely crushed McCain and said exactly what I've wanted him to say for months.
A national initiative, on the scale of NASA in the 60s, to produce new forms of fuel to move us off of oil. He is going to put forth $150 billion towards it and I think that is a real start.
Did anyone else just catch Obama's press conference speech on energy? He completely crushed McCain and said exactly what I've wanted him to say for months.
A national initiative, on the scale of NASA in the 60s, to produce new forms of fuel to move us off of oil. He is going to put forth $150 billion towards it and I think that is a real start.
ToyMachine228
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pxleyes said:
And the GOP response will be...OBAMA SPEND TOO MUCH MONIEZ ON ENERGIEZ! And my response is...12 months out of Iraq, and we'll have that money to spend. Fuck yeah.
He's actually been saying that for awhile...I remember first hearing that during the primaries. As he's said, the problem is that once the cost of gas comes down, we become complacent and fall back into the same ol' routine and give up on alternative fuel. He also reminds us that this is nothing new...for those who remember gas rationing in the 70's, this is LONG over due...pxleyes said:
ToyMachine228 said:
every month we're in Iraq we're spending money we don't really have, so continuing to spend that money only on energy isn't actually the same. At least, if we ever want to become fiscally responsible again.
Not that I don't agree we totally need a huge NASA like initiative
VanMardigan
has calmed down a bit.
Anybody watching the live press conference on CNN?
Tough questions.
Tough questions.
bob_arctor
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VanMardigan said:
Like.....?
"Do you think you're gonna kick the old man's ass in November or just slightly bruise it?"
"A two-part question: If in fact you ultimately win Indiana, how many local newspapers will run the playful headline "Hoosier Daddy?" the next morning and do you think they'll juxtapose a photo of your million-dollar smile next to one of McCain sneering?"
Star Power
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mckmas8808 said:
Well, I used quotes for a reason because I don't necessarily think that they are just black issues, but I'm talking about things like : the prison-industrial complex, poorly funded schools and lack of economic opportunity in inner city neighborhoods, police brutality (his "respect the verdict" bullshit on that Sean Bell case was particularly annoying), disproportionately high unemployment rates, etc. I mean, I can see people being offended because it's coming from Ralph Nader, and "talking white" is just not a phrase you use, but what he said isn't off base at all: Obama is a non-threatening figure.. he's not a *RADICAL SCARY BLACK MAN*, he's "post-racial". That is why he's successful and someone like, say, Jesse Jackson is a national joke even though he's done a lot more than Obama has. Again, this isn't necessarily a bad thing - Obama said it himself in his book, he's learned how to be non-threating in order to placate white people who would be otherwise uncomfortable with black people. The thing is, once he's in office, what will he do for the black community that has supported him so vigorously? Will he be any different than any other president we've had? I think it's a question worth thinking about.
It is a part of a long terms solution, so I'm willing to bet its an initial funding of 150 billion to contracted companies with, like the Apollo program, an unlimited budget if Obama sees it as worth putting money towards. One of those, "we cant know how much it costs when we've never done it before" kind of things.Hitokage said:
Deus Ex Machina
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Not so if McCain is embracing Bush policies right and left.Amir0x said:
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Michelle Bernard lookin' hawt today (on Hardball).
! Beautifully put, absolutely sensational. Now, if Obama wants to make some additional spending cuts to pay for it...Tamanon said:
They are only tangible if you reach them under or at budget. One of the major problems with any government is the absolute refusal to cut a project that is going over budget.
If you are doing something like an Energy Initiative you set a hard cap on it. Period. You know what your long term goals are and you have a REAL finish in mind. If the project is going poorly or not working, cut it. While you wasted money, you saved money compared to when you keep dropping money in a project to make it work. You dont put conditions to drop more money. Why? BECAUSE YOU WILL SPEND MORE MONEY.
Edit: Obama is a Politician. Politicians sadly all think to a great degree of similarity. If this project goes and it turns out its not working well, what is Obama going to do? A) Admit he was wrong/didnt supervise the project properly and get rid of it or B) Sink more money and go with the common political philosophy, "Lots of money can always make things work?
If Obama was a CEO of a company and came into a boardroom and said, "Well this project has not even reach close to the goals we wanted. How about we just double the money for the project and pray that works," what would the shareholders say? They would slap him.
The Librarian
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:lolTamanon said:
How's Obama doing in Florida? Aren't he and McCain essentially tied?
mckmas8808
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Star Power said:
Im sorry Star but that's what pisses me off about this whole Obamaand acting white crap. Think about for a second. If Obama did just the same for blacks that Bill Clinton did we all know black people would be happy.
Seriously on the real, Obama being the president in of itself will probably help blacks a lot. I can only imagine how excited we will be as a race.
And to me it will be no more bullshit talk. Its put up or shut up. No more fathers leaving their baby moms, no more looking up to drug dealers on the block, no more "no snitching" campaigns for regular people in the hood. No more allow our black kids being joked on because they make A's in school.
Its going to be school to be smart, because hell you could be the next president like Obama.
Now of course Obama will help the black community with a lot of the issues that plague us as a race more than the other races. Hell he even said so and talked about it in his Father's day speech. He said that's one of the reasons that he's running for president.
Maybe you and Liara needs to watch the whole 20 plus minute father's day speech.
I can't believe people are defending Nader. He:
- Implied that poor issues = black issues. Because black people aren't successful enough to care about the same things as white people, of course.
- Implied that Obama is somehow putting on an act to impress white people because he isn't talking like a radical preacher.
Of course, the great irony is that the notion that smart black kids are "acting white" has been a large detriment to the advancement of the black community. It is meant as a derogatory phrase.
By the way, Star Power, Obama does talk about most if not all of those issues you listed in The Audacity of Hope. Some of them are discussed in his various stump speeches. They just aren't a major issue right now because McCain has basically chosen to give up the city vote altogether.
- Implied that poor issues = black issues. Because black people aren't successful enough to care about the same things as white people, of course.
- Implied that Obama is somehow putting on an act to impress white people because he isn't talking like a radical preacher.
Of course, the great irony is that the notion that smart black kids are "acting white" has been a large detriment to the advancement of the black community. It is meant as a derogatory phrase.
By the way, Star Power, Obama does talk about most if not all of those issues you listed in The Audacity of Hope. Some of them are discussed in his various stump speeches. They just aren't a major issue right now because McCain has basically chosen to give up the city vote altogether.
Star Power
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mckmas8808 said:
I haven't seen that speech, I'll watch it later. I agree that just seeing Obama as president would be amazing, I mean I can already see the energy and excitement and pride just imagine what it will be like when he actually wins . But the thing is, so many people have such high hopes for Obama and I dunno what it'll be like if he ends up just another politician who happens to be black.
Crazy thing is, it has to take someone like Obama so that black or minority politicians aren't always stereotyped.Star Power said:
The whole notion of Obama getting to where he is because he's black should be debunked so badly. This whole notion of affirmative political vetting for Obama is so ludicrious that I have no words for it.
In fact, it's pretty much the exact opposite, we actually expect so much more of Obama than any other white candidates - the news media is pretty much being very affirmative to all other candidates except Obama.
Show me any other politician in the race with the same amount of wit, charisma, class, fund-raising power, political jiujitsu, and composure that Obama has.
NewLib said:
This is so stupid. This isn't just another government project. As far as energy is concerned you don't have a choice but to throw all you have at this problem.
And no, it's not going to fail. There are already many technologies that are just hitting that point where they'll be viable alternatives to oil. With more money for research, dedicated effort to reform patent laws and get things going from the labs to commercialization in the US and all around the world and awards and incentives and whatever else the Obama plan has, with all of these things, 10 years is more than enough.
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