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PoliGAF Interim Thread of USA General Elections (DAWN OF THE VEEP)
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Which would be kind of true, I suppose, if it weren't for the fact that providing a postal service is a specifically delegated power of Congress in the first article of the Constitution. f u ben frankling and your socialist dogma
Haha. I once had a friend describe the USPS to me as a socialist service that fundamentally contradicts the founders' dedication to the free enterprise of its people in favor of teh big government.scorcho said:agreed. i hate that reductive bull-shit.
almost as much as the word 'socialist' to describe anyone not toting the unregulated free-market mantra
Which would be kind of true, I suppose, if it weren't for the fact that providing a postal service is a specifically delegated power of Congress in the first article of the Constitution. f u ben frankling and your socialist dogma
Heh. Iran just got busted releasing a shopped photo, one that ran all over the world in newspapers.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp
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GhaleonEB said:Heh. Iran just got busted releasing a shopped photo, one that ran all over the world in newspapers.
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/10/in-an-iranian-image-a-missile-too-many/index.html?hp
oh shit , Iran got pwned
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SomethingIranianAwful and AhmedinaGAF strikes again
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Tamanon said:
:lol Is this a variation on the argument that the current disparity betwixt poor and rich really isn't so bad because the poor never had it so good?
A statement like this, missing the Medicaid vote, dissing SS. Smells like the same old shit to me.
Providing a means to send and receive documents to and from citizens is a fundamental part of any democratic government, otherwise you're creating a one-sided government and in the founder's time such a situation was quickly labeled as tyranny.icarus-daedelus said:
Ok, that's it, you fail World History. Remedial courses are available at your nearest community college.Gaborn said:
he's partially right in that economics falls prey to the whims and fancies of the public-at-large. if they're fraught with peril about the future and believe a recession is going to happen, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as people make a run at the banks and hoard liquidity, or something like that.bob_arctor said:
still, the guy is the literal incarnation of an asshat.
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Tamanon said:
No way he really said that. It doesn't make any sense. How is america full of whiners?
Will the MSM talk about this statement as being elitist and out of touch with the country.
Does he now tha almost 350,000 homes have been foreclosed on in the last 6 months.
That's up 136% from this time last year. The foreclosures are going up compared to last year. And that's when last year was seen to be really bad. What's this guy's problem?
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/10/1191310.aspxmckmas8808 said:
It's the media's fault, see.
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Or, Hito, it's government monopolization of a market that requires the SCOTUS to pretend that USPS is not a government-owned corporation in order to allow Big G to dodge its own anti-trust laws.Hitokage said:
HA! You won't get your socialized mail past me.
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cjdunn said:
Nope. It's just the end of the week. Listen to Chuckie T.
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080621/ap_on_re_us/out_of_control
The accompanying photo for this news story is Michelle Obama fist bumping the hosts on The View. :lol WTF?
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So with record gas prices, rising food and home energy prices, falling housing market, unemployment on the rise, airplane and rental car cost going up 200%, and the stock market offically in a bear market; McCain's ECONOMIC ADVISER is saying its all a media hype and isn't happening.
WHY!? No way first read on MSNBC.com will be the only media outlet to report this right?
Does that guy think his jedi mind trick will work on us?
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That's awesome. Why shoot a multi-million dollar missile to yank-the chain of oil markets when you can just release a photoshop of some missile shots?GhaleonEB said:Heh. Iran just got busted releasing a shopped photo, one that ran all over the world in newspapers.
:lol
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Tamanon said:
The GOP economic plan . . . a high school football team pep-talk. :lol
Ignore those forclosure statistics, decline of the dollar, flatlined equity market, stagnant wages, endless budget deficits, massive trade deficits, etc. . . . its all in your mind.
Thank you Phil Gramm, I think you just decided the election.
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Clearly everything IS spinning out of control . . . the terrorist fist-jab is now featured on daytime television. The end is near.Guileless said:
mckmas8808 said:
This is pretty aggrevating, especially when you imagine what would have happened had a chief Obama strategist made similar remarks. It would be bittergate all over again.
I have to say, though, that the Obama camp could pounce harder on these gaffes. That would certainly help. On this newest ridiculous statement, all I've seen is a (harsh, good) DNC response. Where's Bill Burton savaging this quote?
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Hey, how about American history?Hitokage said:
By "mostly settled" he means in every state except for Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Mississippi, Missouri, North and South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, Virginia, and West Virginia.Gaborn said:
In other words, the question was "settled" in every state except the ones that had a large population of blacks, who were often the only ones not allowed to marry whites.
Hitokage said:
Oh come on, you're misrepresenting the war bond issue, I was referring to external sources of money (mainly talking about Europe) and yes, I neglected to consider internal sources of money such as bonds, people make mistakes, you're also right, Wilson wasn't particularly hard line with Germany (not that he advocated being soft on them either). Geez no slack for a guy on his birthday I guess :lol :lol
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When the other side is "f u and the horse you rode in on, Germany" and you're not, then yes, you are "soft."Gaborn said:
Also, name me a U.S. war besides the current ones where funding was derived mainly from overseas sources.
speculawyer said:The GOP economic plan . . . a high school football team pep-talk. :lol
Ignore those forclosure statistics, decline of the dollar, flatlined equity market, stagnant wages, endless budget deficits, massive trade deficits, etc. . . . its all in your mind.
Thank you Phil Gramm, I think you just decided the election.
Phil Gramm is a dolt with some dubious ties -- and of course, served as one of Texas' Senators for nearly a decade. Sorry.
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Revolutionary war?icarus-daedelus said:
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So the first one and the last one, then?speculawyer said:
Damn, we sure do have a history of borrowing from European/Asian sources to fund our wars.
icarus-daedelus said:
I don't believe the issue in that case was the war itself, in fact I can't honestly remember the full context (I believe it was 3 am at the time). Instead I believe... no, wait, I do remember. We were arguing about whether it was WW2 that got us out of the great depression or not, I BELIEVE someone was arguing that it was our borrowing that led us get out of the great depression, whereas I was suggesting it was more to do with things such as the growth of our manufacturing sector as we were selling weapons to the allies and stockpiling them. the source of our borrowing was a rather tangential point that Hitokage wouldn't let go so as to discredit the rest of the discussion.
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So you were really arguing that the US got out of the Great Depression with Lend Lease? Huh? You should have said that before, then.Gaborn said:
But you're still wrong, because Britain couldn't afford to buy American weapons (which is why we gave, erm, "lent" them weapons), and the Chinese had internal problems of their own like a civil war.
edit: mandark was suggesting that we got out of the war because of expansionary policy of fdr - like the federal government injecting a ton of money into the manufacturing sector (much of which was converted to weapons-building for this very purpose) in order to build weapons and stockpile them...
icarus-daedelus said:
At the time of the discussion I more or less did actually
Sure, but our citizens were paid good wages in those jobs, they weren't doing it for free, and there were many more jobs created as a RESULT of that. You're right, it didn't do everything, but it was a major, major, major step, and once the US became actively involved in the war (rather than cheer leading from the sides and shipping caches of weapons to the allies) after Pearl Harbor was bombed the US government became an even larger source of contract for the factories further increasing demand and further providing opportunities for work. Obviously after the war ended the factories didn't all shut down either, they shifted instead into automotive factories, aeronautics, etc
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you say that citizens were not doing it for free one sentence and the very next sentence you don't question where the US government got the money to pay themGaborn said:
Jesus.
The discussion was started with Mandark saying "BOO-YAH!" because the Federal Government used expansionary fiscal policy (Keynesian policy) to get the US out of the Great Depression by injecting money into the economy (creating manufacturing jobs, much?) to fund the war, which could include Lend Lease if you look at it from whatever perspective you're looking at it from. I thought your opposition was that you didn't think USG was responsible for it, because that doesn't fit your ideology and therefore couldn't have possibly happened.
To be honest, I'm not really entirely sure what you're on about now.
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Yeah, I don't get it. I thought he was trying to CYA for puppies, sunshine, and ice cream when Mandark brought up the point initially, so I don't really know where the Lend Lease love is suddenly coming from.thekad said:
I would believe that he doesn't have a deep understanding of economics, but I can't buy that he doesn't know what a surrogate does.Tamanon said:
I mean, that's just mean!
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Tamanon said:
He seemed to understand it with regards to Wesley Clark. :lol
Obama is taking Gramm's comments and bundling them with McCain's today. I was hoping he'd do this.
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/10/1192723.aspx
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Really? I always thought it was just Revolutionary & Operation Freedom (and Afghanistan, I guess), but I guess we could add that to the list.scorcho said:
Still, it would be 3/4 in favor and a bazillion against: Nam, Korea, two world wars, various tussles with Mexicans, Spaniards, and Brits, and a bunch of minor annexations and some shit with the Barbary Pirates. Oh, and that thing with the South.
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That was good over seas funding . . . they paid for it. The current funding is all borrowed, that is what sucks. We are going in massive debt to a communist nation.scorcho said:
Here is a bizarre thought . . . to some degree we went to Iraq for oil. But we are borrowing massively from out competitor for oil, the chinese. And we haven't really got much oil out of it. And China can take all those interest payments to buy oil. We reall screwed up.
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Easy tiny wars are also a good way to bolster the popularity of the currently elected public officials responsible. Maggie Thatcher knows what's up.Tamanon said:Did we really even spend much money on the first Iraq beatdown? It was more of a fly-by-night operation that let us get rid of old munitions.
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