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PhoenixDark said:So he'll allow drilling if it means public opinion for oil dependent policies increases, wtf?
thats not what he said at all.
PhoenixDark said:So he'll allow drilling if it means public opinion for oil dependent policies increases, wtf?
typhonsentra said:Holy fuck Obama, what the hell happened? I'm pretty firmly against the Florida drilling, I dunno if this is a deal-breaker for my support but it makes me pretty nervous about what he's willing to compromise right now.
"If, in order to get that passed, we have to compromise in terms of a careful, well thought-out drilling strategy that was carefully circumscribed to avoid significant environmental damage - I don't want to be so rigid that we can't get something done," Obama said.
What's exactly wrong with drilling?typhonsentra said:Holy fuck Obama, what the hell happened? I'm pretty firmly against the Florida drilling, I dunno if this is a deal-breaker for my support but it makes me pretty nervous about what he's willing to compromise right now.
This is an energy bill they could very well pass this autumnPhoenixDark said:Maybe I read that wrong
Compromise with whom? It's looking like the dems will get a filibuster free majority, but if they don't I fail to see why he's making this comment. Why comment on something you might (but more than likely might not) have to compromise over in the future
PhoenixDark said:Maybe I read that wrong
Compromise with whom? It's looking like the dems will get a filibuster free majority, but if they don't I fail to see why he's making this comment. Why comment on something you might (but more than likely might not) have to compromise over in the future
No, it's not.PhoenixDark said:Compromise with whom? It's looking like the dems will get a filibuster free majority
http://tampabay.com/news/environment/water/article634009.ecesyllogism said:What's exactly wrong with drilling?
So basically your reasons are mostly selfish and this is a deal breaker?typhonsentra said:http://tampabay.com/news/environment/water/article634009.ece
Even if it's just perception, it'd hurt us.
PhoenixDark said:Maybe I read that wrong
Compromise with whom? It's looking like the dems will get a filibuster free majority, but if they don't I fail to see why he's making this comment. Why comment on something you might (but more than likely might not) have to compromise over in the future
Give me a break. We all rode McCain hard for flipping on the environment and rightly so, the same should go for Obama.syllogism said:So basically your reasons are mostly selfish and this is a deal breaker?
typhonsentra said:Give me a break. We all rode McCain hard for flipping on the environment and rightly so, the same should go for Obama.
As for me being selfish? Fuck you dude. Obama supporters here have claimed for weeks that drilling wouldn't provide any real benefits for months, now he's using car standards as an excuse and everyone should be cool with it?
Gaborn said:This is neogaf. People can forgive Obama for voting for the FISA bill, this is small potatoes.
Karma Kramer said:Could we work together and make a small youtube video? They play these videos all the time on most network news shows... so if its creative and has a good message... could go a long way in helping.
We could definitely get it to get a lot of hits if we tried.
Hey, I didn't. My issue with drilling is that it won't help, but it's perfectly fine to include it on a bill that does accomplish something else. Currently energy bills are stuck in congress and unless there is a compromise, this will continue.typhonsentra said:Give me a break. We all rode McCain hard for flipping on the environment and rightly so, the same should go for Obama.
As for me being selfish? Fuck you dude. Obama supporters here have claimed for weeks that drilling wouldn't provide any real benefits for months, now he's using car standards as an excuse and everyone should be cool with it?
reilo said:Who the hell forgave Obama for his FISA stance?
Besides, you are the one supporting Bob Barr. You have no room to criticize others, considering where Bob Barr stood just 5 years ago on his positions and where he is now.
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Out upon your guarded lips! Sew them up with pockthread, do. Else if you would be a man speak what you think today in words as hard as cannon balls, and tomorrow speak what tomorrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said today. Ah, then, exclaim the aged ladies, you shall be sure to be misunderstood! Misunderstood! It is a right fool's word. Is it so bad then to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.
Gaborn said:I'm not criticizing Obama for flipping, I do criticize the DIRECTION he flipped, he's wrong on FISA. Still though, everyone will flip on different positions, if I agree with their new position why should I criticize it? As Emerson said
Karma Kramer said:Fuck fuck fuck...
This is getting out of hand. I don't know what Obama is doing wrong... but right now the MSM is just going to be fucking drilling him over this off-shore drilling as a flip flop.
reilo said:For as much as Obama is campaigning for change, some things never change.
The media, their infinite bullshit, and how they bite hook, line, and sinker into every single fucking bait by the GOP.
I guess common sense is too much of a thing to hope for.
reilo said:No, you are criticizing Obama supporters and proclaiming that we forgave him on FISA. I'm asking you, who the hell forgave Obama on FISA?
I'm also stating, that you have no room to criticize Obama supporters for something as mundane as debating a non-issue as such as off-shore drilling, considering your candidate's history.
Gaborn said:I'm sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were voting for a man that voted to give immunity to telecomm companies and unlimited authority to spy in similar manners. My mistake.
And as I've said, I'll vote for Barr for what he stands for, he's got no chance of winning but he's got a good chance to give a larger voice to libertarian thought.
Gaborn said:I'm sorry, I misunderstood you, I thought you were voting for a man that voted to give immunity to telecomm companies and unlimited authority to spy in similar manners. My mistake.
And as I've said, I'll vote for Barr for what he stands for, he's got no chance of winning but he's got a good chance to give a larger voice to libertarian thought.
Tamanon said:To be fair, aren't you voting for someone who voted to give the government authority to spy on its citizens and to define marriage as between man and a woman?
reilo said:As opposed to voting for the alternative?
And call me crazy, but I have a feeling that a civil rights lawyer won't do what Bush did, and most likely, manage to reverse most of the damage done by the Bush White House.
Gaborn said:Not in this campaign he didn't . As I said, the difference between Barr and Obama is that Barr is a candidate who cannot win but can advance a larger cause I support. Obama CAN win and has various harmful positions that he's CURRENTLY advocating. In this campaign incidentally I have very little issue with Barr's current positions and areas of focus (on immigration I don't totally agree but I understand where he's coming from) so CURRENTLY yes, I can say I'm comfortable if he pulled off a miracle and won. But the FISA lover? Hell no.
Reilo - the alternative is other candidates that did not do so.
And also, the point about FISA is not whether you trust Obama more, it's whether ANY president should have the authority Obama voted for.
Dax01 said:Watching Countdown: What's this about laptops?
Obama endorsed the efforts of a bipartisan group of 10 U.S. senators who unveiled legislation on Friday to increase domestic oil production and expand conservation and efforts to develop alternative energy.
The bill would require the government to open additional areas in the Gulf of Mexico for development and would allow drilling off the coasts of Virginia, North Carolina, South Carolina, and Georgia if those states give permission.
A commission would be created to recommend areas to be opened for leasing in the future. Offshore production would still only be allowed 50 miles from the shore, and all the new oil produced would have to be used domestically.
"I welcome today's bipartisan effort as an important step in the process of reducing our dangerous dependence on foreign oil," Obama said in a statement.
"I remain skeptical that new offshore drilling will bring down gas prices in the short-term or significantly reduce our oil dependence in the long-term, though I do welcome the establishment of a process that will allow us to make future drilling decisions based on science and fact," he said.
reilo said:There is so much cognitive dissonance with this post that I don't even know where to begin. Therefor, I won't.
Obama is more pro-Constitution than Bob Barr can ever dream of being.
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Door2Dawn said:Science and fact states that offshore drilling will have no effect on gas prices,so why support it?
Door2Dawn said:Science and fact states that offshore drilling will have no effect on gas prices,so why support it?
Tamanon said:Wait....the WSJ article on Obama being skinny actually used YAHOO MESSAGE POSTS as a source?:lol
Really? It doesn't appear that most of the country actually knows who he is... But whatever, good luck giving a larger voice to your ideal.Gaborn said:he's got a good chance to give a larger voice to libertarian thought.
the disgruntled gamer said:Really? It doesn't appear that most of the country actually knows who he is... But whatever, good luck giving a larger voice to your ideal.
polyh3dron said:I can't wait for Countdown tonight... Olbermann's going to flip out, I'm calling it.
Even if people have heard of the green party thanks to Nader... do you think that anyone who isn't a political junkie knows what the green party actually stands for? Even if people hear the name Libertarian, that doesn't mean they're going to actually know or care about what they stand for.Gaborn said:Well, in general even giving Libertarian candidates a higher profile would be an accomplishment. How many people really knew the green party existed before Nader? Ron Paul being very much described as a libertarian helped, and Barr running as a Libertarian (and being relatively high profile as a former congressman even though much of the public doesn't know him) is beneficial to that goal.
I heard on NPR today that 60% of Floridians now support offshore drilling. I imagine that has a little to do with it.Door2Dawn said:Science and fact states that offshore drilling will have no effect on gas prices,so why support it?