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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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AniHawk said:
Yeah, I was shocked to see the reaction here (and other forums I frequent ('sup D&D)) after I got done watching it. McCain came off as terrrrrrrible to me, maybe it was because the feed I was watching had split screen, where you could see McCain making funny faces at his podium for an hour and a half, I don't know. Obama was the clear winner, and I'm not talking expectations game (i.e. a tie is a win for Obama, McCain's strongest subject, Blah Blah Blah), I'm talking about him clearly. winning. the. debate.
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kaching said:
Yeah, I don't really see why Obama saying he agrees with McCain was bad...McCain's reactions and what he said seemed more negative to McCain than Obama agreeing..McCain never said that at all I don't think, mostly 'he doesn't understand' or 'he is naive'.
GhaleonEB said:
Did you see that one guy on CNN's reaction to Palin's interview with Couric? Man.
I mean, I know I'm definitely not going to vote for her to be put in office..she's not getting my "she's a woman" vote..being president at this time is way way more important than something so trivial as to a woman being in office, imo.
Learn2read
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I have it on now, but tbh, all these debates themselves seem moot mere hours after they happen. What seems important is what consensus gets agreed upon, even if that contradicts your initial impression (see Gore's sighs).Red Scarlet said:
It was important that Obama balanced out a few agreements with plenty of contrast. I remember in the first Gore-Bush debate, Gore agreed with Bush so often that the moderator had to ask what the difference between the two of them was.Red Scarlet said:
When Obama first said he agreed with McCain, that was my worry. But it was never anything like that. These guys have huge differences and that was on full display.
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mamacint said:
Oh..to be honest, this was the first debate I have actually watched. I want to register to vote, but it sounds rather complicated for my state and being out of state right now (I'm at uni in Montana, and am a Wyoming resident). I really want to vote though!
it was interesting watching the debate with a couple friends. a canadian and a colombian. what we noticed is that we, and maybe our generation in general, are sort of inverted in this instance: the black man, obama, is who we trust and feel comfortable with, while mccain, ol' whitey, gives us the heebie-jeebies
Learn2read
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Gonna still watch it, but it's totally gonna be through other people's filter at this point. Unfortunately, things like "he didn't look the other dude in the eye" somehow become the main thing taken out of the debates, or other such mostly subjective impressions that somehow congeal into something objective even if that wasn't what you took away on your first impression.Red Scarlet said:
Red Scarlet
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numble said:
Really? I've been here since August 30...there have been at least 3 registration people walking around school, but I've told them I'm from Wyoming. If I see one soon, I'll ask them. I want to vote for Obama.
Speaking to my mother today, for me to get registered and do an absentee vote, I have to get some form mailed to me, go to somewhere with a notary, fill it out there, and ask for an absentee ballot to include with it, and some other stuff. If I could just vote here, that'd be so much better. I've never voted before, but really want to. Does Montana have like 1 or 2 more electoral votes? I know Wyoming has 3, as someone corrected me in a different thread (I thought it was 1).
M3wThr33 said:
Yes, I think that was in my first post in this thread. That was the quote of the debate to me, oh my God I was laughing for awhile at the brashness of calling it that.
I also noticed when they showed Obama while McCain was talking that Obama was writing down something with his left hand..is he a fellow lefty?! (no that won't affect my vote, as I'm voting Obama anyway).
Red Scarlet said:
http://www.countmore.org/
Is a useful website to show you where your vote would matter more if you are a student.
Obama is also a lefty.
Red Scarlet
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Oh. But Montana has twice as many people, so there is a possibly higher chance that Montana won't go Republican like Wyoming most certainly will.
TylerD said:
Pretty good, though that female tool was serious in her beliefs about some things. I find it sickening that people like that can't face reality and get choked up trying to spit out bs with the reasons why they believe in it. Here's a tip don't defend palin's experience when the various results we've seen from it, yeah that's what I want a crappy experience on a bigger scale. Also don't say rational or logic as if the kind you choose to use is on a good solid foundation.
Nader and New rules owned.
I think a lot of GAF armchair analysts are over-analyzing Obama agreeing with McCain so often, in this debate. I don't think it was a gambit of any kind.
I think Obama really dislikes & actively tries to avoid "the political game" as much as he possibly can. That's what initially drew me to him, waaaay back when he first announced his candidacy.
Basically... When Obama agrees with McCain, he says so. Regardless of how that makes him "look" to independents or whatever other demographic.
It's no more, no less.
I've liked him from day 1, because he said "Here is who I am, here is what I will work to do if elected, and here are the steps I will take to accomplish that."
He's just... HONEST. In fact, that's the big thing I used to admire about MCCAIN, too. He put it all out there. But now his campaign is a whole different animal, of course.
I think Obama really dislikes & actively tries to avoid "the political game" as much as he possibly can. That's what initially drew me to him, waaaay back when he first announced his candidacy.
Basically... When Obama agrees with McCain, he says so. Regardless of how that makes him "look" to independents or whatever other demographic.
It's no more, no less.
I've liked him from day 1, because he said "Here is who I am, here is what I will work to do if elected, and here are the steps I will take to accomplish that."
He's just... HONEST. In fact, that's the big thing I used to admire about MCCAIN, too. He put it all out there. But now his campaign is a whole different animal, of course.
BigJonsson
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ROFL @ new rules
BigJonsson
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I can't find Real Time on Youtube except the new rules part
Where is the rest?
Where is the rest?
PantherLotus
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maher clips please.
Learn2read
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3's the minimum as it's members of congress + senators + 3 for DC.Red Scarlet said:
The racism new rule was great. :lol
The hell?
Sarah Palin is experienced as she's learned it "the hard way"? It's that entire Hannity talking point of "book smart" versus "life smart".
Are we voting for the POTUS or for whom we want to unlock our car if we get our keys locked inside?
Sarah Palin is experienced as she's learned it "the hard way"? It's that entire Hannity talking point of "book smart" versus "life smart".
Are we voting for the POTUS or for whom we want to unlock our car if we get our keys locked inside?
Stoney Mason
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Well this debate taught me that gaf knows jack about analyzing a debate. I thought it was a good debate. I thought it was mostly even. And anybody who thought Mccain schooled Obama like the early part of the thread suggested had their head up their asses. I felt mainly that however you felt coming in, you had some justification to feel the same most likely coming out. I won't speak for independents and will leave it to the polling.
Ninja Scooter
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reilo said:HAHHA WTF :lol
Lisa Schiffren on Real Time: "Republicans rely on rational arguments, not emotional fuzziness."
*awkward silence*
Crowd starts laughing.
Tim Daly and Ralph Nader are both like "WHAT?"
Maher:
i liked when she said something to the effect of " Anywhere you go the people who work on wall street are the smartest people in the room" and Ralph Nader turns to her with this genuinely dumbfounded look and says "You don't honestly believe that, do you?"
Stoney Mason
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lol at the tread title change. I made my post without having noticed the change.
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Stoney Mason said:
I knew what I was talking about during this thing.
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reilo said:
Didn't Palin say that she learned about the world through reading & other media.
Buck lernin' FTL.
Don't think this was posted yet since we've been debate-focused.....
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93ET3CO0
Subpoenaed Palin aides don't appear at abuse probe
Sep 27 02:21 AM US/Eastern
BY MATT VOLZ
Associated Press Writer
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93ET3CO0
Subpoenaed Palin aides don't appear at abuse probe
Sep 27 02:21 AM US/Eastern
BY MATT VOLZ
Associated Press Writer
Article said:
I thought it was a very close debate, and I felt McCain won by a hair, mostly due to the foreign policy section. I don't think McCain won by enough to really help him that much. Obama definitely held his own and was even beating McCain pretty soundly in the early going. Things slowly shifted as the debate went on. McCain had a lot of good moments in the second half of the debate, and finished very strongly.
I don't trust the initial poll reaction though. There were some debates during the republican primary where Ron Paul won the post debate poll. That kind of instant poll seems to often be wrong. Obama probably did enough to keep McCain from turning things around at this point but we won't really know for sure who won until we see the daily tracking polls shift and watch the spin plays out. It seems like I can remember a few instant polls in the democratic primary where the inital reaction favored one candidate, but then the Polls moved in the other direction.
I don't trust the initial poll reaction though. There were some debates during the republican primary where Ron Paul won the post debate poll. That kind of instant poll seems to often be wrong. Obama probably did enough to keep McCain from turning things around at this point but we won't really know for sure who won until we see the daily tracking polls shift and watch the spin plays out. It seems like I can remember a few instant polls in the democratic primary where the inital reaction favored one candidate, but then the Polls moved in the other direction.
Honestly, I thought after watching the debate that it was dead even (although I watched on PBS without split screen, I need to watch the split version).
However, watching the post-coverage, I can see the story of the next few days being the "You were wrong" segment, and McCain not looking at Obama. The lack of eye contact is 2008's sighing, guaranteed. McCain shot himself in the foot.
However, watching the post-coverage, I can see the story of the next few days being the "You were wrong" segment, and McCain not looking at Obama. The lack of eye contact is 2008's sighing, guaranteed. McCain shot himself in the foot.
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