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PoliGAF Thread of First Debate Election 2008 - GAF doesn't know shit
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WickedAngel
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Ether_Snake said:
You are insane.
Xisiqomelir
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sp0rsk said:
fiscalconservative.jpg is about 1.5x more posted than obamabet.jpg, from my rough estimations.
DeathbyVolcano
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More like Fiscal Irresponsibility
NullPointer
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TheKingsCrown said:
That's the point though.
The average American knows this:
Wall Street greed... reckless risk... $700 billion... $1 trillion... Give full power to the Fed... may or may not work... no time to think... do it now, now, now!!! ... don't review what we do with the money...
Ultimately, this is an "us" versus "them" scenario. Taxpayers versus Wall Street. I also think the majority of Americans on both sides of the partisan divide would like to spend some of the treasury $$$ on issues they find deeply important to them, and have up until now had to fight tooth and nail to get the priority and funding.
And now, because a bunch of reckless thieves need to secure their failed gambles, the taxpayers get to foot the bill with a magical $700 billion dollars we happened to have hidden away.
In this kind of climate, the American public wants a "fair deal", not something rammed down our collective throats.
TheGrayGhost
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Deus Ex Machina said:"As news of the bank's deteriorating condition spread, nervous Washington Mutual depositors withdrew $16.5 billion of their money in the last 10 days, prompting the seizure by regulators."
http://mobile.latimes.com/news.jsp?key=182546&rc=bus
The end of the world.
Zombie James
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so_awes said:
McCain sticking to his roots. Those roots being covered in rich, creamy shit.
Ether_Snake said:
Actually, I think you are sadly correct. I think most Americans are probably against the bailout, or at least suspicious of it.
My point is mainly that Americans are too stupid to even know what is going on. We are entering uncharted waters, but on the nightly news they had a fucking three minute segment again trying to explain what a sub-prime mortgage was, and what a securitized mortgage was. The reality is, people are just unaware of what is going on.... my main argument is that in a month when the real economy starts falling apart, Americans will freak out.. who that breaks in favor of, im' not sure..
But I also wouldn't read too much into the Nikkei. Right now we are still dealing with the credit markets failing. The trickle down impact of this is still a few weeks away. We probably won't see the real bad shit begin for another few weeks, IMO.
Right now, credit is drying up. In a few weeks, layoffs and liquidity shortfalls will trickle down to consumers, they will then consume less, which will lead to lower earnings, which will lead to missed quarters, which will lead to stock price collapse, which will lead to more layoffs, etc..
Right now we are only in the top of the 1st inning of the financial meltdown. The shit hasn't even gotten 'real' yet.
CharlieDigital
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gkrykewy said:You are out-doing even your own storied history, you lunatic. Good eye on the nikkei though
He's got a point, though. Mainstream Americans are absolutely taking this "Us vs. Them" attitude. But it's fucking blind and they're not going to "get it" until they stop getting paychecks or their credit card accounts are frozen.
It's a fucking scary situation if we can't get something passed.
PD: I edited my last post for clarification, please see that before replying
Polls being tied technically have nothing to do with it, but it all ties into the potential media narrative and how people will gobble it up. It goes hand in hand with the image of the maverick saving the day.
Polls being tied technically have nothing to do with it, but it all ties into the potential media narrative and how people will gobble it up. It goes hand in hand with the image of the maverick saving the day.
mckmas8808
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WHAT THE FUCK IS PALIN SAYING?!!?!
Gaf didn't tell me about her words on Israel and Iran with Katie Curic.
Gaf didn't tell me about her words on Israel and Iran with Katie Curic.
Karma Kramer
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so_awes said:
Wow... what is wrong with humanity?
I just don't get it. McCain is the devil in disguise. (not literally, but he's definitely got a cold heart).
so_awes said:
Digg it: http://digg.com/politics/McCain_Bailout_Plan_More_Deregulation_Corporate_Tax_Breaks
Get that shit onto the front page.
CharlieDigital
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so_awes said:
Obama needs to hammer this point home in ads like, tomorrow.
DeathbyVolcano
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Shirokun said:
You mean...if she faces Biden.
CharlieDigital
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lawblob said:
And to think, all this time I've been procrastinating on getting my firearm license, just when I might actually need it :lol
I really hope they get something done.
Arde5643 said:
He's got the debate platform for that tomorrow night with anywhere from 50-100 million people watching. Even better for him if McCain doesn't show up. Explaining it to the press is not quite like getting prime time coverage in like, a third of the households in the US.
Karma Kramer
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For some reason I have a feeling tomorrow is going to be a very bad day for Obama fans.
NullPointer
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Arde5643 said:
Explaining what it means won't matter.
We need a different solution.
Ether_Snake
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Don't mix how I think average "What's a recession?" American will be happy to hear that McCain "stopped" the bailout plan, even if it meant that wallstreet would head lower tomorrow (it won't die, it's not like the plan is off the table, it will just come later), with my position towards the bailout.
Markets might be down tomorrow, big deal, unless some big bankruptcy happens tomorrow or some such, it may end lower but don't forget the bailout is going to pass eventually, they are just arguing over what is in it.
So in the end tomorrow it's "McCain stopped the bailout" that goes into the "What's a recession?" American's mind.
Markets might be down tomorrow, big deal, unless some big bankruptcy happens tomorrow or some such, it may end lower but don't forget the bailout is going to pass eventually, they are just arguing over what is in it.
So in the end tomorrow it's "McCain stopped the bailout" that goes into the "What's a recession?" American's mind.
PhoenixDark
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Diablos said:
I think McCain's numbers are going to tank. And by "tank" I mean Obama having a +5 lead or so going into Monday. I'll put my faith in the American people this one time and say they'll see through this, avoid the Us vs Them bullshit. When they see the markets crash, and hear what McCain did today - I just can't believe this will work for McCain
DeathbyVolcano
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Karma Kramer said:
I hope you're wrong.
mckmas8808
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I'm not sure if this has been mentioned, but CNN just said that 10% of WaMu's banks will close.
Stooge does this bother you?
Stooge does this bother you?
Karma Kramer
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BrandNew said:
I hope I am too.
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
Man, I really feel for you. The 6th district is near the top of my Democratic takeover wishlist but I'm very pessimistic about itadg1034 said:
Ether_Snake
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mckmas8808 said:
What what? I want to hear that!
A lot of Americans don't understand why this "bailout" plan is important for them - right now they're still thinking it's only to bail out executives in Wallstreet.NullPointer said:
They need to be informed that the consequence of doing nothing about this crisis will not only cause these corrupt executives to go down, but also to honest and hardworking small businesses and families that are trying to get a loan from banks for anything from payroll to mortgage payment.
If until now the MSM still doesn't explain what the bailout truly means to the whole American economy, then it's up to Obama camp to get them to understand why it is necessary.
Elfforkusu
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On the plus side, this whole thing is pretty good ammo for my "McCain is a lying d-bag and you shouldn't even think of voting for him" argument for the traditionally GOP-leaning friends and family...
Gary Whitta
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I knew I should have listened to all those ads on talk radio urging me to buy gold!
Guy Legend
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CNN's republican guy said that Palin has lost her confidence.
The VP debate is going to be a massacre.
The VP debate is going to be a massacre.
PhoenixDark
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I think people will do the right thing and not fall for this
i really do
i really do
grandjedi6
Master of the Google Search
And its always Speculawyer who posts it :lolsp0rsk said:
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