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PolliGaf 2012 |OT5| Big Bird, Binders, Bayonets, Bad News and Benghazi
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Officerrob
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Not sure if posted but:
New Gravis Virginia poll: 48-48 (Obama is actually doing better then Kaine in this poll, wierd)
http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/virginia-presidential-and-senate-poll.html
New Gravis Virginia poll: 48-48 (Obama is actually doing better then Kaine in this poll, wierd)
http://www.gravispolls.com/2012/10/virginia-presidential-and-senate-poll.html
The latter. Two sponsored by the government, with all of the plans needing to meet certain criteria to be allowed at the national level.
It's left up to the secretary of health and human services to manage the terms under which the exchanges operate, though the legislation calls for the government to sponsor at least one non-profit within the exchanges.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
People have been looking at the death panels all wrong.
The best way to beat a death panel is to join it.
Once this takes effect, I'm going to get me on a death panel and clear out some old folks.
The best way to beat a death panel is to join it.
Once this takes effect, I'm going to get me on a death panel and clear out some old folks.
Pretty good considering Gravis has an R lean. Wapo has a VA poll out tonight too
This was my reaction. The non-profit plans were what was left of the public option after it was watered down in the final round of compromises. The version in the House would have been dramatically more effective. But this was better than nothing. And as others noted, one of the many reasons why we should cheer an Obama re-election.
You'd have thought that they would have kicked up a storm about this though, we heard nothing about this sort of thing.
Sounds good to me.
As I said in the other thread it seems like there are a bunch of smaller and even larger pieces to this legislation that push actual competition onto insurance plans, which is good.
Half and half
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I'll match ya.
TacticalFox88
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While yes, I agree that it's a big fucking deal, it in no shape or form the "single biggest" reason he has to to win.
The biggest reason he has to win is so he can take credit for the 12 million jobs created. If Romney takes credit for that, in the eyes of America supply side economics works and it will set the country back ANOTHER 30 years.
An Obama win opens the eyes of Americans for progressive taxation and not this bullshit trickle down theory.
The Technomancer
card-carrying scientician
Hm, yeah, that too
Aaron Strife
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Don't forget the Supreme Court. If Romney gets to replace Ginsberg, the conservative majority is locked in for at least another couple of decades.
It was either that or go out to dinner tonight. I got good food at home anyway. Plus, I'd rather take the missus out tomorrow instead. Might give a little bit more right before the election, when I get paid.
BertramCooper
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Not unless the GOP also wins control of the Senate.
Even this was a compromise as both MSPs were originally required to be non-profit.
There's no national exchange. Rather, each state's insurance exchange is required to offer two multi-state (national) insurance plans. The two plans are established by the Director of the OPM. One must be a non-profit option, and the other must not offer abortion coverage. For a full explanation, read this analysis.
Aaron Strife
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Problem is, unless Dems totally sweep this year and 2014 they probably will in 2014. That's a bit down the line but we should still be thinking about this shit now.
BertramCooper
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Once the ACA fully kicks in - and people finally understand that everything they like about it doesn't work without the mandate (knock on wood) - it's probably going to be super-hard for the GOP to repeal.
hydragonwarrior
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This is bad news for Obama.
This is pretty interesting stuff (All NY Times endorsements)
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/28/opinion/presidential-endorsement-timeline.html
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/10/28/opinion/presidential-endorsement-timeline.html
Aaron Strife
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Maybe. Still, wouldn't want to chance it.
Note that the GOP candidate is running on a platform of gutting both Medicare and Medicaid, two hugely popular programs. The GOP will have no problem gutting the ACA after implementation. They will devise a ruse for the public to swallow, and run with it.
For reference, the last time Gravis polled VA was in September when Obama was doing great there and they had Romney up by 5.
Angry Grimace
Two cannibals are eating a clown. One turns to the other and says "does something taste funny to you?"
Ginsburg will just hold on until the second term if she can. She refuses to retire for whatever reason.
I legitimately can't differentiate between good news and bad news in this thread anymore
I really don't know about that. I think for people to finally understand this stuff we need a lot better messaging from the government. We need to do something like what Massachusetts apparently did, and advertise all the good shit. Unfortunately people would probably see that as propaganda now.
I'm just afraid people will just assume the good shit is just good shit that's happening because whatever, and the bad shit will be blamed on Obamacare, because that's kind of the trajectory we're on.
If it's not great news, its bad news, and if its good news, its terrible news.
The Librarian
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This is most alarming.
Sounds like bad news if I ever heard it.
The Librarian
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For the next election I move that all intrade/tracking poll talk be banned. It's useless noise for the most part.
fuck
Thought poligaf would be interested int this email I got:
Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXZMTBc4v0&feature=youtu.be
Link to video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6tXZMTBc4v0&feature=youtu.be
For those of you still trying to use Intrade as a predictive measure, by the way, I invite you to compare the graphs of "Obama will win" and "Democratic nominee will receive at least 270 electoral votes" to understand the problems at work here.
Officerrob
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It was under $6.00 a few days ago, a drop of ten cents isn't a trend downwards
Bah. It's all I have to talk about and I'm trying to make it on the Wall of Fame for this OT
Anyway, it's not useless. It keeps the thread active and helps give a better understanding of the state of the race. If Debate 2 would've went poorly for Obama, maybe Romney would be ahead in the race, but noone would know that without polls/sportsbooks sites.
jamesinclair
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This is really cool. Thanks for sharing.
Even to this day, I still can't believe we have a black president. It's nice seeing Obama's photo next to all his predecessors. Really hope he gets another four. It just wouldn't be fair, especially considering the magnitude of issues that he inherited, if he wasn't given a chance to continue the progress he started. It would be heart breaking to see Romney undo what Obama has done and still take credit for it in the short term, but in the long term, be absolved of any responsibility.
Honestly, when we look back, I think history will be good to Obama and look at him in a positive light.
This makes me ashamed to be a Texan. :/
Not a predictive measure. More of a "if you're going to jump on it, watch to see where it goes and then strike." It's going to start trending upward with the release of polls within the next few days. I'd start buying shares soon since Romney's time is running out.
It's not likely to hit $6 or under again. And a trend is a trend regardless of how much it is.
Black Mamba
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Posted?
Reuters/IPSOS moved from +1 to +2 Obama. IBD is Obama +2.
Waiting on ABC/WAPO to update. UPI too, I believe.
Aaron Strife
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"Obama leads Romney by 2 in this poll. It's a tie!"
"Romney leads Obama by 2 in this poll. LOOK AT THAT MOMENTUM, CLEAR LEAD FOR KING ROMNEY!"
Also, ABC/Wapo isn't updating until tomorrow I guess. Must be good numbers for Obama
Rocket Scientist
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Wow at that story from Texas. If free speech is supposed to be so protected in the us. These people should be tried for more than just property damage or theft. It's (voter) intimidation and whatever it's called when you're interfering with an election. Jail time baby.
I needed my daily fix of hopium to get me through until tomorrow.
The Librarian
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Bah. It's all I have to talk about and I'm trying to make it on the Wall of Fame for this OT
Anyway, it's not useless. It keeps the thread active and helps give a better understanding of the state of the race. If Debate 2 would've went poorly for Obama, maybe Romney would be ahead in the race, but noone would know that without polls/sportsbooks sites.
We have enough sarcasm and state polls to keep the thread active without 'em. Especially when you combine the two!
el retorno
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