Aaron Strife
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If Ben Nelson or Joe Lieberman had found out about it, it wouldn't have been passed.
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PolliGaf 2012 |OT5| Big Bird, Binders, Bayonets, Bad News and Benghazi
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The Librarian
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How can I be? ACA continues to impress!
But before I celebrate I'll wait to see what Sarah Kliff thinks of this development. I'd love to see her analysis.
fuck, and i already voted for romney. stupid early voting!
MasterShotgun
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If it's really what it seems like, nice.
They did the best they could while combating the bitching from the left, vitriol from the right and criticism from both sides in the media. In the end, they just focused on getting the law passed and having people learn about the benefits then. Unfortunately they didn't anticipate the right would contest the law all the was to the supreme court. And the law is now so politically toxic that Obama doesn't even bring it up directly anymore..
What the hell is this shit.
gutter_trash
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I can't tell what is sarcasm or not anymore
RustyNails
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Don't think it was clever. They should've headlined it in every townhall before 2010 midterm elections in order to stop the teaparty shellacking.
This is what happens when you have technocrats, professors and intellectuals coming up with a plan. It's failproof, robust and gets the job done. But no one has a clue about how it works except them. ie: take it from us, it works.
RustyNails
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Didn't someone say Biden cancelled his VA rally today? He is holding it right now.
Half and half
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Surprise! And don't forget about non-profit CO-OPs offering per state wide options as well.
Aaron Strife
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Why? It's a lost cause
BertramCooper
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Innnnnnnnteresting.
Sounds like it will really help keep the exchanges competitive.
Sounds like it will really help keep the exchanges competitive.
RustyNails
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I hear Cali is back in play again.
btw: my next job assignment is in Minnesota. I'll let you all know it's bellwether status in a week.
SouthernDragon
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Wait... isn't that essentially a public option?
PhoenixDark
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Hold on, how exactly would admitting the law (allegedly) had a government health insurance plan option stop the tea party from going crazy? It would have only made them even more upset.
The administration botched the roll out of everything about the law, but that's their fault, not the law or how it was written.
:lol :lol
Whoa. That... that sounds awesome. I also love that the Heritage foundation guy says this could become just like the public option liberals wanted. LOL, that makes me so happy if so. Seriously, just reading that and my assessment of the ACA went up quite a bit. Fuck, Obama has to win this.
RustyNails
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It would've energized the liberals and democrats. I'm not saying it would've stopped the teaparty insurrection, but at least we wouldn't have gotten shellacked.
Aaron Strife
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Why aren't we talking about Nancy Pelosi? Her seat is in serious jeopardy
I thought we were previously hearing the exchanges were private plans with federal subsides for lower income people.
Looks like Pelosi was right. We needed to pass the ACA to see what was in it. So far, I'm loving what I'm seeing.
Papa Joe ain't afraid of no pussy hurricane.
This matches up great with your avatar
We should be talking about New Jersey going red if anything.
Just look how much they love Christie.
The Librarian
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Looks like Papa Joe is a liar, though! You said you left us for the weekend.
PhoenixDark
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Doubtful; let's not forget unemployment was 10%. Democrats were going to get creamed regardless. To make matters worse, it would be covered as a government controlled health insurance plan, something that was simply going to make the tea party even more mad.
gutter_trash
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since when is 8% unemployment bad during a global recession?
remember unemployment rate during the Reagan and Bush 41 years
remember unemployment rate during the Reagan and Bush 41 years
You forget, Unemployment is really 14%.
Black Mamba
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our GDP is also going up faster than all the other Western industrialized nations right now.
Despite GOP trying its best to fuck it over.
It would've done exactly the opposite.
There's a reason Obamacare is designed to do stuff like this subtly. People continue to not understand how big a deal this bill is going to be.
Damn son, passing shit under the radar. No way in hell would this have been passed if it had been hyped up, good job Big O.
Romney has the same speech today that makes me want to Tagg him. " We need big change with big ideas and that's exactly why i'm running. Obama's campaign is getting smaller and smaller, no longer interested in the big changes that we need" - not direct summary but you get the idea, it's the exact phrasing he's been using in all his rallies these last few days, probably when he saw the poll that had even obama supporters saying they wanted a change in his second term if reelected.
He can be that word!
He can be that word!
electricpirate
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I'm sure that was the idea, but I'm not sure it was a good one. A big chunk of liberal disenchasment was caused by the Administration not getting that part of the bill.
Either way, it would have been a miniscule difference in 2010.
PhoenixDark
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Fixed. A Romney presidency would likely gut most of what makes the law work; I don't buy the idea that he'll scrap the entire law considering the entire party has nothing to replace it with.
I always thought this was how the exchanges as a whole would work.
The Technomancer
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The single biggest reason why Obama has to win in November. The ACA is a big fucking deal
Officerrob
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Wait a second, the ACA had a potential public option in it? How in the world did all this time pass and nobody knew about it?
They didn't. They just chose to not report on it, instead focusing on death panels and generalized philosophical debates about big government.
This is essentially a government-sponsored private option in place of a government-run public option. In effect it's practically the same thing.
It was always there in the terms under which the national exchanges would operate. This will be one of the plans offered.
Papa Joe's wife has a hair appointment. He's already done two laps around this mall; gotta pass the time somehow.
Damn this is good news.
That pic has got me rolling, damn son. So good.
It's probably better that it wasn't, there is no way that the republicans would have let this through if they had known.
Rocket Scientist
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So basically... universal healthcare? Done. *slap table*
Edit: or is the ACA already considered universal healthcare? In that case... Nvm. I don't know the exact terms.
Edit: or is the ACA already considered universal healthcare? In that case... Nvm. I don't know the exact terms.
The Librarian
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Fixed.
No, they knew about it, which is why they fought against it so much. It was implemented this way because the public option didn't have the political support to pass, but an equivalent, publicly-sponsored private option, did.
Yes. Real life. The multi-state plans were a controversial compromise brokered by Reid with Ben Nelson. I'm surprised others are surprised by this. What a difference a few years makes.
Anyway, they project to exert downward pressure on premiums. Read this.
I think you're misremembering history. Liberals were displeased that Obama and Reid had even compromised on the public option.
I guess I just didn't know there'd be a national exchange or a government sponsored plan in that exchange. Or I read it and then promptly forgot it. So are there only 2 national plans or will there be a full exchange of a bunch of plans, but with 2 being sponsored by the federal government?
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