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PolliGaf 2012 |OT5| Big Bird, Binders, Bayonets, Bad News and Benghazi
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NICE WORK now he's rerunning it because he put in a Montana poll wrong. If you hadn't posted it in PoliGAF he would never have noticed.
IrishNinja
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almost 3 hours early voting here in FL...goddamn, only romney and fire obamas signs in the cuban/nica district i live in, barry's as popular as ozzie guillén's farewell party. these rethuglicans came prepared though, they were handing out slim blue papers saying who to vote for & which amendments to the FL constitution to back, which sure beat translating 8 pages of legalese on the fly for many people around me, we really should write these things more concisely.
arranged a vote trade here on GAF, so my 3rd party vote went to a lock state & i went obamanos in my swing one, natch. even my conservative & libertarian friends over here cant see romney winning the electoral, and some of them watch fox all day. PD can stay worried though haha
arranged a vote trade here on GAF, so my 3rd party vote went to a lock state & i went obamanos in my swing one, natch. even my conservative & libertarian friends over here cant see romney winning the electoral, and some of them watch fox all day. PD can stay worried though haha
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Brain function is nice, I could amend my position for brain function, since I consider someone alive to have brain function... That is better than a heart beat, since those rare humanoids like Dick Cheney don't have a heartbeat, but they do have brain function (even if it is of the dastardly kind)
metalslimer
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Guess I just want to protect more life than you libs out there...
/deliberately smug asshole post.
But seriously, I do
Once again, so as to not confuse anyone:
I am all for universal healthcare, free and easy birth control (obviously I am against pre-marital sex due to being Mormon, but understand that exactly 99% of the country feels differently), and exceptions for rape/incest/life of mother. I would make adoptions a benefit to anyone willing to do so for newborns/infants and have mothers who choose to do the honorable and sensible thing and deliver the baby be taken care of with any counseling necessary, paid time away from employment due to the pregnancy and delivery/recovery and the guarantee of job protection.
But, as part of my quest for personal responsibility and the protection of all life, I would fully support a ban on abortions in all other instances.
Well I have to say you're one of the few people on this issue I legitimately respect even if I completely disagree on the ban. If we could enact all of those policies I wouldn't be vehemently oppposed to a ban even if I wouldn't vote for it. The biggest problem is that if Romney took an anti abortion stand and was for real about passing legislation you would be voting in the ban without any account for people's well being since universal healthcare and all those other things would not be passed.
Brain function is much later than the heartbeat just so you know
I am all for universal healthcare, free and easy birth control (obviously I am against pre-marital sex due to being Mormon, but understand that exactly 99% of the country feels differently
But, as part of my quest for personal responsibility and the protection of all life, I would fully support a ban on abortions in all other instances.
If I were going to agree with a ban on abortions, this would be the platform that I would agree with. (Except that I think the adoption change is exactly backwards and we need to discourage people from adopting newborns as much as possible so that we end up with less foster kids falling through the cracks. They'll still adopt all the (edit: white, healthy) newborns that we produce.)
Personally, I think even without the ban, changes of this nature would do a lot to lower the abortion rate.
But when it comes to reproductive health, as I said in the other thread, my number one priority is to develop more effective birth control (and STD prevention). For example, RISUG should be a free service in America.
Randolph Freelander
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On which part? Children suck. I discourage any and everyone from having them, because I don't want a single one of them on my lawn, crying and yelling in public places, and touching everything with their crap-covered hands (although adults do enough of that, too). But if for some reason you do decide to go down the path that could lead to a child being conceived, and sure enough one is, then I believe it is murder to abort it.
Not allowing abortions would drastically increase the welfare-state with medicaid, food stamps, welfare etc etc. With the GOP drastically cutting all of those we would have greatly increased poverty.
I agree with this.
Edit : I disagree, but consider it to be the only viable counter argument
BuggyDClown
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Exactly. Most of the right wing is pro-birth not pro life. They couldn't care what happens to the child, whether it;s cared for has access to all the necessities and health care. They just want people to give birth, quality of life doesn't matter though. Otherwise universal healthcare, womens rights and gay parents being able to adopt (it would open up many new options for children in foster homes) these would be things the right would stand for.
metalslimer
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Wait really? You don't see how they could support the killing of the fetus when the mother will possibly die and take the fetus along with her?Rape and incest does make sense though, although the reason people will support it in those cases is because its politcally bad to not do so.
Welp, there goes my 335-203 prediction.
Randolph Freelander
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Life of the mother only. Bird in one hand vs. two in the bush, as the saying goes.
As sad as the situation is, I do not support it in the case of rape. It's tragic, and it is enraging, but that does not negate life.
AlteredBeast
Fork 'em, Sparky!
Exactly why I can never base my vote on abortion stance of the candidate.
I appreciate that you see why and how I base my position and realize that I am not being a mysogynist, but instead merely wish to protect life and at the same time try to cover all the bases into those that must make a huge sacrifice (I have seen my wife carry one baby to term and now she is 8 months through another one, I know how hard it must be for her) should get a recompense for that sacrifice.
It is my number one issue, though, but one that must be necessarily tucked away for when I eventually create my utopian compound that declares sovereignty and then is promptly raided by the ATF/FBI/etc.
ClovingWestbrook
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Because not everything is black and white in life.
Aaron Strife
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Obama could always win all 3 of Nebraska's electoral votes.
You know, while losing the state at large.
Plucked from the OT thread, an extension of the previous rumor.
Iran suspends uranium enrichment in act of goodwill.
Al Arabiya Link, story went live at 12:30 in Saudi Arabia, So this will be the morning news in both countries.
Iran suspends uranium enrichment in act of goodwill.
Al Arabiya Link, story went live at 12:30 in Saudi Arabia, So this will be the morning news in both countries.
Randolph Freelander
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Oct...November surprise?
el retorno
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I really suspect they'll be something big announced if Obama wins (late). I think Iran is really feeling the pressure now that Israel has kinda given them a date + them bombing Sudan.
If the Republicans get their way here, the Democrats will eventually start regularly getting all of Nebraska's electoral votes.
That'd be quite the Monday before the Tuesday election Rose Garden announcement. Akin to the Reagan/Hostages Inaugural moment.
metalslimer
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Awesome news!
ryutaro's mama
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This would change exactly nothing in terms of the voting of the electorate.
ClovingWestbrook
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Welp
metalslimer
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We were too soft!!!!2012
Randolph Freelander
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Rejected or not, the needle seems to be moving.
This deserves its own thread. Even ignoring the elections entirely this is serious good news. I would like to imagine it would matter to the election but probably the biggest effect is ensuring there won't be a big negative foreign policy story.
Just sounds like the US played hardball with them and may have won out. Iran said they'd suspend, but they wanted to much so the US said they could fuck off. Now they've suspended in hopes that some sanctions would be lifted. This shows the US definitely has the upper hand and they really want those sanctions gone.
My final prediction:
So you're predicting a Romney win that will put our country back 160 years?
ryutaro's mama
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Old Mitt will steal the DeLorean and...
Damn, this is a true surprise. I know the sanctions have been very tough on Iran's economy but I never expected the Iranian government to respond to reality.
Aaron Strife
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Only 254 EVs for Obama? Constitutional crisis incomingMy final prediction:
Made.
speculawyer
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Religious grounds is the only way I can understand such positions. I still don't agree with them when one believes in god or not. For the religious, well, god is the #1 abortionist and there is no hard & clear rule in the Bible against abortion. For the non religious, well, a fetus is just not a sentient human that has gained rights yet.
I don't get the "religious grounds" objection for abortion.
There is no scriptural support for being pro-life or pro-choice, so you essentially just admit you're going to believe whatever your pope or pastor tells you to believe. Think about it ethically and come to your own conclusion, but don't just automatically agree with whatever your church says.
It's hilarious how many people sold on the "sanctity of life" were completely unopposed to stuff like the Iraq War, despite so many contrary teachings from Jesus. Yet the same people want to force a rape/incest victim to carry an unwanted child to term.
There is no scriptural support for being pro-life or pro-choice, so you essentially just admit you're going to believe whatever your pope or pastor tells you to believe. Think about it ethically and come to your own conclusion, but don't just automatically agree with whatever your church says.
It's hilarious how many people sold on the "sanctity of life" were completely unopposed to stuff like the Iraq War, despite so many contrary teachings from Jesus. Yet the same people want to force a rape/incest victim to carry an unwanted child to term.
metalslimer
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I also really hate chimpanzee research getting back to ethical topics. I think a creatures that have the capacity to understand who they are and become that sentient shouldn't be forced to basically be slaves. I understand how valuable the info they give us, but we could also be doing research on 2 year olds but no one would dare suggest that.
Besides the whole life begins at conception which is debatable in terms of the actual scripture.
Besides the whole life begins at conception which is debatable in terms of the actual scripture.
Black Mamba
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Any chance this Iran thing is big news the next 2 days? This can only be positive news for Obama. And not in a slight way.
Not really. Everyone is going to watch football tomorrow and then they will be hung over on Monday.
Deserves it's own thread. I sort of can't believe it...even if it is only temporary.
ryutaro's mama
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HANNITY: "Do you wonder why the Iranians want to make a deal now, at this point? The Iranians know that a Romney Administration will crack down on them so they would rather keep status quo in the White House so they can keep going with their nuke plans after the election."
PhoenixDark
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must...not...believe...the...hype
Muslim country wants to help get a Muslim President re-elected.
metalslimer
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What about bonobos =(
The Culture Vulture
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I think abortion is an important discussion but not necessarily a political one and certainly not a reason to vote one way of the other. It's a carrot on a string for both sides. When W was in the White House for 8 years what steps did he take to change anything about abortion? Do you really think the moderate Mitt Romney is going to do anything?
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