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PopGAF |OT5| We Are Bionic, So Damn Bionic
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well TEOG is the last successful single she had so it would be a good place to say that is where her reign stopped
You and I was only a moderate hit here in the US and nowhere else
and of course we know what happen with MTN
Also, I don't think Taylor Swift is a Queen.
Sorry, I just don't.
To be a True Queen, you have to have more than just receipts. You have to have a big, out-of-the-box moment that serves as your coronation. That moment that lets the world know you're more than just the people who handle your career.
Every name Soulscribe listed has a moment like that BUT Taylor.
Right now all Taylor is is a big selling Country Pop artist. But we've seen that before from plenty of Country Pop girls who didn't go on to become queens.
Sorry, I just don't.
To be a True Queen, you have to have more than just receipts. You have to have a big, out-of-the-box moment that serves as your coronation. That moment that lets the world know you're more than just the people who handle your career.
Every name Soulscribe listed has a moment like that BUT Taylor.
Right now all Taylor is is a big selling Country Pop artist. But we've seen that before from plenty of Country Pop girls who didn't go on to become queens.
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1990
Keep It Together - #8 (No video)
Vogue - #1
Hanky Panky - #10 (No video)
Justify My Love - #1
1991
Rescue Me - #9 (No video)
This Used to Be My Playground - #1
1992
Erotica - #3
Deeper and Deeper - #7
1993
Bad Girl - #36
Fever - (promo single)
Rain - #14
Bye Bye Baby (promo single)
I'll Remeber - #2
1994
Secret - #3
Take a Bow - #1
Wafflecakes
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Soulscribe
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Why though?
Coz it seems that the overwhelming reason around here is because he doesn't have a vagina.
Wafflecakes
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I legit hate the music, no lies.
Gaga? We will see. I really doubt I could dislike what she produces as much as I dislike 20/20.
Actually, I'm really interested to see where Taylor Swift goes from here. She has Queen Potential, but I don't think she can get away with doing another KIDZ BOP album. She needs to grow up.
That being said, Country does NOT like it when their girls grow up. Just look at what happened to poor LeAnn...and that album wasn't even BAD.
That being said, Country does NOT like it when their girls grow up. Just look at what happened to poor LeAnn...and that album wasn't even BAD.
Phonomezer
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Madonna's career lows are career highs for most.
No lies detected.
At least, that's the impression a lot of people are giving.
Think about it sis, and give me an HONEST answer.
Do you think that ANY of your faves could get away with releasing an album as safe and indulgent as 20/20? And not just release it, but to overwhelming "praise" and the biggest promotional backing since MJ in his prime?
Because I just can't shake the feeling that if any of MY faves did that with an album where 8 of the 10 tracks were over 6 minutes, Pitchfork would have a field day writing articles about this overindulgence and lack of editing being everything that's wrong with Pop music.
The sexism is real.
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Wafflecakes
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Fun update today so I thought I would comment on it. Bruno BLOWS past 20/20 into the #1 spot. Airplay is essentially a wash between Thrift Shop/S&T/WIWYM. Thrift shop will obviously have the edge on streaming while S&T will have sales.
Assuming Harlem Shake doesn't hold on for one more week at #1 the race should be very close between those three.
Another note is that WIWYM seems to be stealing Stay's thunder as the latter's updates have really been unimpressive lately.... I don't see it having a shot at #1 anymore, which is a shame since I think Stay is the better song. I also don't think Pour It Up has a chance even with it's re-release on pop...... which means there is a very good possibility that Diamonds will be Rih's only #1 this era.
I really wanted to be excited about Justin and like his new album, afterall he was the best male in pop by far (alive) atm. But I just can't stan for something as nauseating and boring as that album he put out. Makes Born This Way look like the least pretentious album ever made.
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ALICIA KEYS Fire We Make: 3.980
yass, alicia. get that sex jam on radio.
yass, alicia. get that sex jam on radio.
paperheart
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Yas! You not only stanning Kelly but also GaGa would be amazing.
I seriously hope that my prediction about GaGa's ARTPOP sales comes true. I don't want Britney's sloppy seconds to rule this year either. Though, JT is hot... sooo hot, and I do bop to some of his songs. I'm just a GaGa stan, and I can't have her being overshadowed by anyone else this year.
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First of all, as far as pop artists go, The 20/20 Experience is the riskiest pop release in at least the last three years. Why? Because there is literally NO song on that album that can fluidly function as a radio single. That album was created to be sold as an entire body of work, and the current market is so toxic that for any pop musician to get by performance-wise is to create a barrage of iTunes singles that can at least GUARANTEE some kind of Billboard placement. When you're putting your stock in the idea that people are going to buy your album in this day and age instead of a handful of your singles, you are NOT making a safe choice.
If Justin Timberlake wanted to be safe then he would have released 3 minute Timbaland collaborations about how women need to "back it up" and fill it with extensive dance breaks so that he can do his signature dance moves on the VMA stage. The 20/20 Experience goes directly AGAINST what people were expecting from him.
Just because it made no real impression on you doesn't mean it's a "safe" project, because it's most definitely not. That album shows me that he, like Beyonce in 2011, knew that people were expecting radio titans on this album, and instead of following through with those pressures went with his gut and released something that HE WANTS in his name. Those are NOT safe decisions. They're the types of decisions that can make or break a career, and the fact that Justin Timberlake is coming out of this a more respected artist just goes to show that he called the industry's bluff. And that's a really fucking impressive feat.
And I could go on about the differences between men and women in pop music because I can make a pretty strong case for why men take more bold and risky choices in their music than women do, and that comes with the pressures of being a female pop star. I say that Lady Gaga is original and an auteur in her own right, but in terms of how SUBSTANTIAL her music is on MUSICAL level, her best doesn't come close to Justin's best. It has less to do with sexist sentiments across critics and more to do with fair expectations for both genders that are rarely ever realized.
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Whatever JT gets I will simply add 200k to it and that will be my new Gaga prediction. Hopefully she goes ALL OUT with the marketing.
Gaga is like the Apple of the pop industry. All the lessor bitches perch on ha so they can see what she does and copy her innovations. Even her haters get excited about her releases cuz they know Gaga is the only one in the game willing to go outside boundaries; while their fave remains basic - lip syncing on stage and releasing an album like clockwork showing no growth or integrity as an artist.
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Gaga is like the Apple of the pop industry. All the lessor bitches perch on ha so they can see what she does and copy her innovations. Even her haters get excited about her releases cuz they know Gaga is the only one in the game willing to go outside boundaries; while their fave remains basic - lip syncing on stage and releasing an album like clockwork showing no growth or integrity as an artist.
Drewface:
1. Claims Gaga is like Apple.
2. Proceeds to describe her as the exact opposite of what Apple is.
paperheart
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Truer words have never been spoken. Bless. <3Gaga is like the Apple of the pop industry. All the lessor bitches perch on ha so they can see what she does and copy her innovations. Even her haters get excited about her releases cuz they know Gaga is the only one in the game willing to go outside boundaries; while their fave remains basic - lip syncing on stage and releasing an album like clockwork showing no growth or integrity as an artist.
@Waffles: If Interscope doesn't market ARTPOP with all they have, GaGa best pay them dust. Not here for flops due to bad marketing.
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I would assume ATRPOP will have been recorded before that.
(At least I hope that is the case.)
(At least I hope that is the case.)
Also I'd like to contest the notion that 20/20 was "unexpected".
Justin said for years he wouldn't be going back into music. Instead he decided to focus on his "acting" career where he stared in a slew of mediocre movies and not really doing much acting. All it did was boost his ego by a million. So when he came back to music because he couldn't find another cliche sci-fi flick to do, it really wouldn't make sense of him to go back making pop dance music; he's too cool and important for that now. So making a bloated album telling everyone how grown up and cool he is now was the absolute most predictable thing for him to do; if it was risky it wouldn't be about to do 800k based off a single that didn't totally smash.
Justin said for years he wouldn't be going back into music. Instead he decided to focus on his "acting" career where he stared in a slew of mediocre movies and not really doing much acting. All it did was boost his ego by a million. So when he came back to music because he couldn't find another cliche sci-fi flick to do, it really wouldn't make sense of him to go back making pop dance music; he's too cool and important for that now. So making a bloated album telling everyone how grown up and cool he is now was the absolute most predictable thing for him to do; if it was risky it wouldn't be about to do 800k based off a single that didn't totally smash.
Wafflecakes
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Would be hilarious. Though even if Bey SMASHED Gaga would still win the week.
I am guessing that Bey won't release till fall though, and I expect Gaga before that.
paperheart
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Not sure how I feel about a GaGa jazz album. I'll keep an open mind, though.
I agree with you, but what about Katy? She hasn't had a moment AND other artists are cocking her with the receipts (Gaga, Rihanna, and Taylor).
I don't think I agree with the idea that JT's album isn't safe because he didn't work with the obvious current producers for obvious radio bait. I mean, that's setting the bar kinda low, don't you think? He didn't have to work with the Guettas and Martins of the world, but I don't think working with Timbaland to create an album that even the fans admit isn't very far removed from his last efforts is a courageous move either.
Also, I don't think JT created this album without Radio bait in mind. His first single features an unnecessary verse from Jay-Z, and his second single is a love song with near-identical production to his biggest radio hit. The fact that it's 8 minutes long doesn't matter, radio will chop that shit down anyway. The amount of promo he's done for his singles also indicates to me the he expects them (or at least needs them) to be huge hits.
Basically, what you're attributing to "boldness" I attribute to JT relying on his safe bet and old tricks because he's largely been out of touch with where Pop has been the last few years. To me that's incredibly safe.
Hell, even Britney's taking a bolder leap into the future of Pop music if even HALF the list of rumored producers is true.
Wafflecakes
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How do you figure? Gaga has her beat on album's, but not singles. Same with Taylor.
Rih has been around longer and has more hits, but Katy has BIGGER hits. Rih only has one 4x+ platinum single, while Katy has five from two albums.
Oop at my typo.
Well albums bring in more money, don't they? They are also harder to sell than singles (discounted singles in Katy's case, mind you). Gaga, Rih, and Taylor do very well with singles, just not as good as Katy. But when it comes to albums (and even touring) Katy is crushed by those three girls.
I bet you Bruno and M5 don't do gangbuster albums either. These kind of singles artists come and go; they serve no purpose but to fill in the gaps on the radio. If they had true longevity, like you said they would have the tour receipts to show for it.
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Honestly, you don't make money from singles or albums nowadays. Just on a raw sales standpoint Katy still sold a good 6 million copies of her last album (roughly equal to Taylor and only slightly behind Gaga...and well ABOVE Rih) so I think she is still in the top tier of girls.
Touring is another question I suppose. I am not sure how Katy's tours have performed.
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Maroon 5 no, but Bruno sells albums very well. His last album matched the pop girls with 6 million WW. His current album has sold 2.5 million in only 5 months.
Edit: Beaten
Wafflecakes
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Meh, more like the male Rihanna (take that however you want).
I am not a fan of Bruno, but it is better than JT or M5 so I will take it.
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Maya will come back in a few days when I am over this phase.
i didn't make 10+ maya avatars for nothing!!
edit: ^^^^ what kind of inaccurate description of Apple
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