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Because she's an android.

Is she? Why does she go into cryo sleep? Why is she doing those push ups? Do androids have sex? Why did she bring the Med Pod in the first place, can it also repair androids, if it isn't even familiar with female anatomy?

She's pretty cold blooded, and she calls Weyland dad, just as David saw him as his father. So she might be an android. But I had the idea she was his real daughter, and David was his 'son he never had'. I thought she wanted him to die so she could be the next CEO of Weyland Corp..
 
When David says he looked like that because humans find him more relatable it is the reason why she does those things, to try and fit in, not raise suspicion. She is responsible for their lives on the ship. She is also the first to wake up, was she actually asleep? Working out joints is plausible for androids I guess, and I figured she was his metaphorical daughter (not an heir, like David) rather than his biological one. That just made it hammy when I thought about it. She is presented as a proto human most of the film.

I also have no doubt that Weyland made a lot of his early money on blackmarket sexbots, so yeh they have sex.

This is all speculation from my one viewing of it though.
 
The creature that came out of the engineer in the end was already depicted in that wall carving that was in the first goo room. So was the creature a planned creation?

What was the deal with the changing mural? What did it show?
 
My friend said it was a well shot film of a terrible script. I think thats pretty accurate. Also, they're felt like some glaring omissions from the trailer. Half crawling down the corridor with the engineer behind her? That wasn't in it.
 
For ages I couldn't work out who the actor in the bad makeup as Weyland was and thought it was supposed to be Fassbender, so that Weyland would have made David in his own image. But nope, Guy Pearce.
 
This movie could've done with 10-15 minutes of character introduction + building prior to landing on the planet. They were already in full gear with the mission like 25 minutes in despite the audience only really knowing 2 characters. I don't need 10 years of backstory for each of them, but c'mon at least flesh out the roles they play in the way Alien and Aliens did. Hardass "for the money" guy, secondary scientist, and loyal pilot crew still deserve some characterization.

Secondly, there was something about the movie that made it feel kind of "jumpy" in tone, specifically when it tried to balance epic sci-fi like David on the Engineer ship discovering the solar system hologram with this uplifting adventure score in the background, then there are scenes like the c-section which was CLASSIC Ridley Scott intimate intensity but almost from a different film. Then intensity is lost because the fallout from the c-section was totally nonexistent. And the Weyland "revelation" was handled so casually RIGHT after that. And the score while Shaw and Janek were discussing why she was suiting up....WTF? Characters making heroic sacrifices even though the audience doesn't even know who the HELL they are, the Engineer freaking out on everyone, Vickers' sloppy (and unnecessary) death scene......idk man, it feels like a lot of "transitional" scenes were missing. The audience and characters just arrived at these moments.

AND YET, despite all that I still enjoyed it. The visual design was utterly fantastic. Everything from the sets, to costumes, to vehicles, to gadgets was beautiful, it was expertly shot, and there are some legitimately great scenes in here IMO. I don't feel let down, it just didn't meet my hype. They should've focused more on making a great movie with a direction than laying all these questions out attempting to form some new franchise.

ALSO, holy crap were those trailers and ads showing too much. That's the last time I watch anything past the teaser for a movie I'm anticipating.
 
A lot of it just seemed half-baked - even the good aspects.

Eg: David was great, but his whole 'robot wants a soul' dilemma felt very tacked on and ultimately should not have been there.
 
Huge disappointment. I haven't been this disappointed in a film since AVP(and I knew that was going to be bad before I even saw it).
 
I thought so, but for some reason I just assumed Ridley would follow his original Alien lifecycle and not even acknowledge the queen. Ridley loves dat Aliens.
I didn't see it as the queen at all, more some primitive version of the alien.

I liked how that final top-down shot of that octopus thing that grabbed the Engineer had a face-huggerish feel to it, and the subsequent suggestion that the Alien(s) xenomorphs have that ribbed, bony exoskeleton because of coming from the Engineer.

Something about this movie really resonated with me, I enjoyed it a lot. I'm sure things will come into more focus after a few days for it to sink in, after the crazy busy work week I've had, but I was pleasantly surprised. It sort of felt like an 80s movie updated in style and scale -the opening sequence was fantastic.

I'll agree about that 'old man' makeup though. Shit was fucking terrible. And I didn't get how blondie was so stupid so as to not step a little to the side to avoid the giant rolling ship about to squash her.
 
Went to see the movie yesterday with five friends, and I'm glad we chose the glorious 2D version, as some of my friends had already spoken negatively about the 3D version they had seen. No need to suffer from the uncomfortable glasses for two hours, and soft & dark image.

The movie wasn't exactly what we expected, and definitely not perfect, but we enjoyed it thoroughly. Just what I needed, a grandiose scifi opera. There hasn't been that many of them in the last years. The final scene was a bit meh, but what I found the most awful and cringeworthy moment, was the religious scene with Dr. Shaw and David towards the end. What a load of crap. We all just laughed when it happened. It felt like the director wanted to point, that science is a road to destruction, and religion to salvation. Keep your religious propaganda out of my scifi.
 
The final scene was a bit meh, but what I found the most awful and cringeworthy moment, was the religious scene with Dr. Shaw and David towards the end. What a load of crap. We all just laughed when it happened. It felt like the director wanted to point, that science is a road to destruction, and religion to salvation. Keep your religious propaganda out of my scifi.

I hope you didn't really laugh, I hate it when people laugh at moments like that, even if you're not into the film there are probably people all around you that are. I found the "FATHER" line incredibly stupid but I didn't want to laugh because someone might have been like "holy shit" and some kid would have ruined the moment for them.
 
Is she? Why does she go into cryo sleep? Why is she doing those push ups? Do androids have sex? Why did she bring the Med Pod in the first place, can it also repair androids, if it isn't even familiar with female anatomy?

She's pretty cold blooded, and she calls Weyland dad, just as David saw him as his father. So she might be an android. But I had the idea she was his real daughter, and David was his 'son he never had'. I thought she wanted him to die so she could be the next CEO of Weyland Corp..

I thought the point of the "programmed for male" was to hint that Weyland was indeed on the ship and it was his (he was old and falling apart, and if the engineers fucked him up during the holy grail sequence he would need it handy).

I think there was a resentment stemming from the fact Weyland didn't have a son as an heir to his empire and reluctantly Meredith was his successor. That wasn't explored but it was certainly the feeling i got. Meredith acted a bit too emotionally in the film to be an android. And why keep her around if Weyland can't stand her?
 
1. She goes through cryo-sleep, then does pushups in what I assume is her combating the effects of atrophy after such a long sleep.

2. Weyland would have absolutely no reason to verbally barb her upon seeing her if she was an android.

3. There wouldn't be the same emotionally conflicted hesitation to fry Tom Hardy's clone.
 
I hope you didn't really laugh, I hate it when people laugh at moments like that, even if you're not into the film there are probably people all around you that are. I found the "FATHER" line incredibly stupid but I didn't want to laugh because someone might have been like "holy shit" and some kid would have ruined the moment for them.

Well, we didn't laugh that loud. ;) I always try to be as quiet as possible in theaters, and hope others show the same courtesy, which they rarily do, and which is why I dislike going to theaters.

EDIT: The "father" line didn't affect me that much, as I already guessed there was some connection between them.
 
Ash in Alien also went in cryo-sleep

Yes, but that is because the company didn't want anybody to know that an android was on board/the acting interest of the company was on board.

In Prometheus it is redundant.

Plus there is a deleted scene where Elba's character consoles Theron's character after she torches Hardy clone.
 
If Vickers is an android (she isn't) I don't see what difference it makes - it doesn't seem interesting. In fact, it would make her less remarkable. A human that stone-faced and driven is remarkable. An android? Par for the course.
 
I can't remember seeing a movie that left so many things unexplained, and surely it was deliberately done to mess with people and to lure them in for the sequel.

David is an awesome character and just incredibly portrayed by Fassbender. Some of his behaviour leads me to believe that his motives are not straight forward, but the film does not hint heavily at this. What did he say to the engineer - that seemed relatively calm beforehand - ?

There is some 2001: A Space Odyssey in there as well. The black goo/monolith evolution effect. And just a ton of shit that isn't explained.

Also the spaceship somewhat resembled an eagle - like an eagle that ate the liver of Prometheus.

I really hope the movie does well so we can get a sequel, it would be very interesting to see where they take things.
 
Saw it on Monday. The biggest disappointment since TRON: Legacy. Probably even bigger actually, since most sensible folks (ie not me) knew that T:R was going to be a turd. The more I think about it, the more Prometheus annoys me. Discussing it with a colleague this morning actually made me angry at the wasted potential: stellar cast, megabudget, A-list director. And this is what we get? Really?

What we have is a stunning-looking wannabe epic that gets sucked down into mediocrity by some B-movie plot twists and characters doing stupid, contradictory things because the narrative demands it.

The massive irony is that ALIEN is a pure b-movie that's elevated to masterpiece status thanks to its stunning production design and groundbreaking charcterisation.

Go figure.

Let's look at some specifics, and I'll avoid the borked mess that is the alien's lifecycle because its too depressing for me to even think about.

  • Horrible, obtrusive score. There was one dialogue scene later in the film with the same motif repeated over and over. It's just a dialogue scene! Don't treat it like the shower scene from psycho! If a score stands out like that, it's not doing its job. Compare that to the wonderful, minimalist score for ALIEN.
  • Weyland looked distractingly bad. And because his voice was vaguely recognisable (I forgot that Guy Pearce was in the film) I spent every scene trying to work out who it was under the awful makeup job.
  • For a geologist with some cool mapping technology at his disposal, that guy sure gets lost easy.
  • Those holographic 'security feeds' (or whatever) really seemed to show them exactly what they needed to see in order to advance the plot, didn't they? How convenient.
  • Am I correct in thinking that David's 'plan' is to infect Charlie with the black goo just to see what happens? or does he somehow know that he (Charlie) will then impregnate Shaw so he can take the offspring home in cryostasis a la Paul Reiser's character in ALIENS? If it's the latter, it would seem to imply a lot of advance knowledge and a huge amount of luck.
  • The main tool in the surgery scene reminded me of one of those fairground grabber machines. I couldn't take the scene seriously after noticing that. Hey, at least Shaw won a prize!
  • After being screwed over by David and saving herself via auto-surgery, Shaw runs back into them and is all like 'Oh hi! I'll just pop over to the ship with you then.' Surely she should've tried to find the captain and warn him (or even them!) of the psycho android among them? This is like if in ALIENS, Hudson's reaction to Burke's treachery was "oh, you silly!" instead of "You're dogmeat, pal!"
  • So Weyland goes to meet the engineer (knowing he is potentially lethal) with ONE security guy? Isn't that sort of stupid? And for what reason? Because he thinks the big guy will grant him everlasting life? Why would he think this? And what a desperately cliched motivation for your bad guy.
  • "...father." *sigh*
  • The Engineer was very reminiscent of the Tyrant from Resident Evil 3 (the game). "He's coming for you." *boom! door explodes* Another (I'm assuming) unintentional b-movie moment.
  • The giant space vagina grew to that size in what, a couple of hours? I know the gestation / growth periods were blown to shit in the AVP films but I expected more from this.
  • It's nice that the 2 random dudes agreed to sacrifice their lives for us when Stringer Bell asked them to. Shame we know nothing about them. Thanks anyway guys!
  • The final scene, a final insult. Thanks for treating me like an idiot.
  • Biggest complaint: Where's the awe? These people, some of them scientists, are going to a planet to potentially meet the creators of humanity. There's a fairly good sense of anticipation and unease in the (far) superior first half of the film, but once we get to the planet and find the ship / installation it becomes a workmanlike, explore the caves, grab the artifacts deal with the shitstorm sort of affair. Of course we get the predictable "this is the greatest discovery in the history of humanity" line, but no exploration of what it might actually mean for humanity.

On the upside the 3D was pretty great, and overall the film looked amazing. And I wasn't ever bored - which actually counts for a lot these days. Still a disappointment of epic proportions.
 
It's like saying "If toast was made from bees (it isn't) nobody would eat it." Vickers isn't an adroid. If she were, hypothetically, I don't see what it would add.
 
Nothing, but she might be. Scratch it up to another thing that goes completely unexplained. Only thing it adds is the ambiguous AI malarkey that Scott loves.

I just can't bring myself to accept that 'father' means actual, biological father. It's cheesier than the entirety of Aliens ffs.
 
The fact that it goes unexplained is further proof that she's not an android - it's never explained that any of the other humans aren't robots either. All we see are Shaw's innards and Milburn's cracked bones. I do think the film has it in itself to be that hammy (and a robot yelling that line would be just as bad). This is the same film where said 'android' got crushed by a giant spaceship when she could have just run five feet to the side. I'm not sure it has it in itself to lampshade it with, "Vickers, are you ah robot?"

<3 Janek
 
The fact that he bangs her as well... Elba got dat swag so high he could take down Engineers and get a little suminsumin

Prometheus 2 should just be about Janek surviving the crash and combating Xenos on the planet. I'd see it 14 times.
 
What people liked about the movie that I didn't like (or was neutral about):

- Janek. Great actor, but nothing memorable compared to Parker, Apone, or Dillon (and I admit I had to google Dillon's name but the character himself was still memorable)

- Shaw. She's commended for her survival instincts but other than performing the manual Cesarian, she's essentially just running away the entire film. Why did she not mention the squid in the med-pod or the abortion itself to anybody? Ripley would often bring up ideas and solutions and was more proactive overall. Noomi is extremely cute though.

What people didn't like that I liked (or was neutral about):

- The space jockey not saying anything and just going on a rampage. It's pretty obvious he became hostile right after reading David's mind (which probably had information of Weyland's motives). Having any dialogue come from him wouldn't have helped any, really....

- Also....the engineer xenomorph looks really cool and that scene was unsettling, even after waching it many times. Probably the only thing I really enjoyed about the third act...
 
I actually think it’s a smart movie, much smarter than say – aliens. David / Fassbender is star of the show for sure.

It’s not an overly complex story, but I really enjoyed the ideas it played with – scientific challenge to faith and ingrained beliefs, and man’s need to know more about his maker(s) - when perhaps the whys and wherefores of our being here are ‘disappointing’, irrelevant, not worth knowing or even dangerous. David is the linchpin for some of those ideas, and he’s got a creepy curiosity and ambivalence in certain interactions and deeds that made him great in this movie. He’s not the same, but it reminded me a lot of how I felt about Ian Holm in the original Alien. Charlize Theron was good too... quite the bitch. My only complaint is the geriatric Weyland employing some bad age makeup and the non-hesitant leap to super-herodom from some of our minor characters towards the end of the movie. I think it will hold up well in repeat viewings, and lays a foundation for a parallel mystery adventure in the Alien universe -- which is, let's face it, a better fate for that universe than melding it with the Predator universe. To me, the unanswered questions are a strength.

I enjoyed how the humans had an existential curiosity about their maker, but David had a cold, scientific curiosity. My favourite interaction was with Weyland - "There's nothing", "I know"... I loved the many manifestations of the parasite. Speaking with some people who disliked the movie, they seemed most confused about this because I think they expected it to just manifest itself the same way every time, no matter what it infected, and expecting a long evolution to the Alien we know and love, rather than the chaotic, dangerous bio-weapon we saw in this movie. I don't think some people connected the worms crawling in the goop to the snake like creatures that attacked the first two victims, or the idea of insemination resulting in a different, feotus-like parasite (like a face hugger) that would also retain human (and therefore space jockey) DNA and characteristics. The very beginning scene was interesting - the space jockey chowing down on the black goop after watching something leave in a ship unfamiliar to us throughout the movie. Suicide ritual? Poisoned by something else?

I'd be excited about the possibility of a sequel -- because unlike other prequels, where you know where they're going and headed to, this one leaves a lot of questions and made lots of room for the 'new'. Whatever happened to Shaw? Did she ever get to their homeworld with David? What did they find? How does Weyland Corp go from 'building better worlds' to becoming an even more sinister Weyland-Yutani? How does the corporation find out about the Alien?

I think this will hold up very well with repeat viewings and grow on people.
 
Prometheus was pretty good, but i won't watch it again. Got me more squeemish than I've been in a long while.

As for the Alien from the Engineer being the Queen, the only thing I could think of that would make this the case is that the Queen is larger courtesy of the Engineer's size compared to humans. But at the same time, their DNA is the same as humans, so maybe not.
 
What a piece of shit film. It's mostly the script that is a complete clusterfuck.

Visually the film is interesting to look at and the intro sequence is quite breath-taking. The soundtrack also made some decent impressions.

But in the second and third act everything goes to shit and all logic is thrown out of the window. Events just happen without any build-up, without any explanation or motivation. Things "just" happen and no one reacts to what goes on.

Examples:

  1. "YES....FATHER...."
  2. Stringer Bell tells his two lost crew members to chill the fuck out, while dead bodies are lying around them and a ping signal has gone off. Then he goes off to fuck robot girl, and apparently misses their screaming and camera feed. The next morning everyone wonders what happened to them, yet someone forgot to set the feed to record.
  3. The characters engage everything non-nonchalantly. Douche-bag college bro' taking everything light-hearted and playfully, like it's some fucking theme park trip. How are these characters biologists and geologists? How is several billion dollars being spent on something as serious as this expedition, yet most of the non-characterized crew think it's just the whole crazy family going to McDonalds. No one acts like a professional, except maybe Dr. Shaw.
  4. One of the "infected" crew members attacks the other crew members in the cargo bay, yet I don't know who the fuck these people are or why I should care about them being attacked by Zombie Biologist. Why not make a cool looking alien or some shit? Nope, instead we some actor who got sprayed with some black paint.
  5. After the attack in the cargo bay, not a single fucking character react to the events. Not even a "oh shit we just lost 3 crew members, shit just got real." Every one just carries on with their daily chores like it ain't no thang. Instead Stringer Bell just strides casually up to Dr. Shaw and say some shit about rescuing his personnel, while Dr. Shaw apparently has shifted from getting her husband inflamed by another crew member, being impregnated with an Octopus Alien, doing a violent self-abortion, filled with adrenalin shots, to striving to find the questions about life/aliens. Everything is completely rushed.
  6. Apparently the fact that Weyland Yutani Man is aboard the ship is supposed to be a twist, yet his role in the story is completely useless. He is introduced, says some shit about his remaining days, gets punched in the face by Space Jockey, and dies.
  7. When Space Jockey wakes up, he just looks at the humans and then immediately kills them, hops in the space chair and suddenly wants to fly to Earth and bomb it with Weaponized Alien Goo. It's so fucking rushed.
  8. In one moment Dr. Shaw tells Stringer Bell that the ship is about to take off and bomb Earth, so he would have to kamikaze into it in a completely abhorrent and cliché-ridden scene with Asian Guy # 1 and White Guy # 3. Five minutes later Dr. Shaw suddenly knows there are other ships out there (thanks to David), but she now says that they chose not to bombard Earth and she needs to know why. This contradicts what she told Stringer Bell and apparently she just wanted them to kill themselves for fun, along with her ticket off world.
  9. The film suffers from a scene where two characters run away from a giant donut, without both characters simply stepping to the side and avoiding the donut. Dr. Shaw has to fall down and about to die before she figures out that she can just roll 2 meters to the side and avoid it. Great fucking job.
  10. The film basically ends with Dr. Shaw flying around in a space ship across the universe, finding Space Jockeys with the head of an Android. What the fuck...

And a poster on another forum also mentioned:
  1. The two scientists who got left behind in the ruins. First off they are really scared when the captain mentions signs of a lifeform, and they run like hell in the opposite direction. Yet, when they encounter the Alien-snake, the initial reaction is to cuddle with it, which eventually leads to their deaths.
  2. Finding the ruins within ~30 seconds. So they travel to a planet so far away, when they enter the atmosphere they manage to find the ruins right away, and they just land there. If this had been real, then I would expect the ship to at least circle the planet once and look for other possible sites, what if there's an even more interesting place just a few miles away from the ruins? And I think a lot of people will agree with me when I say that the characters had little depth. They could have easily added 5 minutes when the ship flew over the planet, where characters could have gotten a little more time to "shine".

Buttloads of other terrible scenes, pacing, and writing, but I don't want to spend more time explaining it. I cannot see how anyone is able to consider this a "good" film, when there are so many flaws in it. Waste of time and money for everyone involved.
 
[*]In one moment Dr. Shaw tells Stringer Bell that the ship is about to take off and bomb Earth, so he would have to kamikaze into it in a completely abhorrent and cliché-ridden scene with Asian Guy # 1 and White Guy # 3. Five minutes later Dr. Shaw suddenly knows there are other ships out there (thanks to David), but she now says that they chose not to bombard Earth and she needs to know why. This contradicts what she told Stringer Bell and apparently she just wanted them to kill themselves for fun, along with her ticket off world.
Your opinion of the film is definitely a terrible one, but I'll settle with just saying that this point is simply not true. Maybe you weren't listening to the dialogue as it seems you weren't paying attention at all during the movie.
She wanted to know why they changed their minds about us, why they created us and then suddenly went "hey, wait, let's kill them!". There's nothing about them changing their minds about actually going through with the killing.
 
Things "just" happen and no one reacts to what goes on.

I've lost count of the amount of times I've heard this complaint in recent movies, characters are reacting to whats going on, it's just that what's going on is a lot and its fucking weird.

  • Stringer Bell tells his two lost crew members to chill the fuck out, while dead bodies are lying around them and a ping signal has gone off. Then he goes off to fuck robot girl, and apparently misses their screaming and camera feed. The next morning everyone wonders what happened to them, yet someone forgot to set the feed to record.

He entertains the idea of it being a series of blips from the drone as the life signs periodically disappear. The bodies have been sat in a pile for 2000 years, and although shots indicated he was concerned with the feed, I read the character's intention as to simply try and reassure his men they'd be okay for the night.

  • The characters engage everything non-nonchalantly. Douche-bag college bro' taking everything light-hearted and playfully, like it's some fucking theme park trip. How are these characters biologists and geologists? How is several billion dollars being spent on something as serious as this expedition, yet most of the non-characterized crew think it's just the whole crazy family going to McDonalds. No one acts like a professional, except maybe Dr. Shaw.

The flight crew and geologists have dialogue early in the movie that establishes that they are expecting a very menial, routine job, two of them place a bet on it. I found it perfectly believable that the crew would be relaxed about such work. Dallas and chums were relaxed as fuck on the Nostromo before shit hit the fan..

  • One of the "infected" crew members attacks the other crew members in the cargo bay, yet I don't know who the fuck these people are or why I should care about them being attacked by Zombie Biologist. Why not make a cool looking alien or some shit? Nope, instead we some actor who got sprayed with some black paint.

Did we know an awful lot more about Brett and Parker in Alien? Or Lambert? Ripley, Dallas and Ash are the only characters who matter in the original Alien, with a nod to Kane (Hurt) for his minimal role as chest-burst-meat. You're making a big deal out of what were only ever intended to be minor characters.

  • After the attack in the cargo bay, not a single fucking character react to the events. Not even a "oh shit we just lost 3 crew members, shit just got real." Every one just carries on with their daily chores like it ain't no thang. Instead Stringer Bell just strides casually up to Dr. Shaw and say some shit about rescuing his personnel, while Dr. Shaw apparently has shifted from getting her husband inflamed by another crew member, being impregnated with an Octopus Alien, doing a violent self-abortion, filled with adrenalin shots, to striving to find the questions about life/aliens. Everything is completely rushed.

The Captain isn't concerned with saving his crew, he's concerned with making sure none of the stuff in the vases gets off-world, and Shaw shares the same concern. She goes along with the expedition to see the living space jockey precisely because she is still vulnerable to the suggestion and exploitation of her partner's memory... she has her own curiosity to satisfy, and as she demonstrates in the scene with the space jockey - a burning rage to seek answers that she can't possibly get. For someone who'd already went through the meat grinder in the operating theatre and lost the only person she cared about, and had her idealistic expectations about the engineers shattered - I didn't find it so unbelievable.

  • Apparently the fact that Weyland Yutani Man is aboard the ship is supposed to be a twist, yet his role in the story is completely useless. He is introduced, says some shit about his remaining days, gets punched in the face by Space Jockey, and dies.

It's not completely useless if, for example, with his heir apparent dead - a future story bequeathes Weyland to David, or if the events in this story are somehow related to the merger with Yutani and their pursuit of the Alien. His makeup may have been shitty and his motivations shallow, but he was the reason for their being there... I had no issue with that.

  • When Space Jockey wakes up, he just looks at the humans and then immediately kills them, hops in the space chair and suddenly wants to fly to Earth and bomb it with Weaponized Alien Goo. It's so fucking rushed.

We don't know enough about what their motivations were or what he was intending to do in order to say this. You are taking David and the Captain's assumptions as fact.

  • In one moment Dr. Shaw tells Stringer Bell that the ship is about to take off and bomb Earth, so he would have to kamikaze into it in a completely abhorrent and cliché-ridden scene with Asian Guy # 1 and White Guy # 3. Five minutes later Dr. Shaw suddenly knows there are other ships out there (thanks to David), but she now says that they chose not to bombard Earth and she needs to know why. This contradicts what she told Stringer Bell and apparently she just wanted them to kill themselves for fun, along with her ticket off world.

She doesn't quite say that. She ponders that they had held-off their plan, and gone into stasis.. and she wonders why they had turned on the humans after creating them in the first place. She wonders what they have been waiting for, what their purpose or intention was with regards to humanity -- which as David says, should be irrelevant to her... but then, that was the whole point of the story really: the pursuit of knowledge or answers which may not matter or may prove dangerous, like Icarus reaching for the sun or Prometheus attempting to take the fire of the Gods... it also seemed to be about the myopic beliefs (scientific or existential) that drive those pursuits.

  • The film suffers from a scene where two characters run away from a giant donut, without both characters simply stepping to the side and avoiding the donut. Dr. Shaw has to fall down and about to die before she figures out that she can just roll 2 meters to the side and avoid it. Great fucking job.

This is like saying if an aircraft carrier is coming toward you from 30 feet away at a rate of knots, you should have enough time to swim out of the way. The ship was no small thing. Shaw got lucky.

  • The film basically ends with Dr. Shaw flying around in a space ship across the universe, finding Space Jockeys with the head of an Android. What the fuck...

  • The two scientists who got left behind in the ruins. First off they are really scared when the captain mentions signs of a lifeform, and they run like hell in the opposite direction. Yet, when they encounter the Alien-snake, the initial reaction is to cuddle with it, which eventually leads to their deaths.

The character who does interact with it is the biologist of the two, not the geologist. His curiosity and familiarity makes sense. He treats it with the curiosity and apprehension that you would expect such a person to treat a snake with.

  • Finding the ruins within ~30 seconds. So they travel to a planet so far away, when they enter the atmosphere they manage to find the ruins right away, and they just land there. If this had been real, then I would expect the ship to at least circle the planet once and look for other possible sites, what if there's an even more interesting place just a few miles away from the ruins? And I think a lot of people will agree with me when I say that the characters had little depth. They could have easily added 5 minutes when the ship flew over the planet, where characters could have gotten a little more time to "shine".

Shaw's partner tells them to set it down so they can check it out... yes they could have swept the whole planet, but he'd been working towards this his whole life, had slept for 2 years to get there and - as he said - "it's christmas, and I want to open my presents"


Everyone's a critic and critics gonna critique I guess. It's a good movie. Better than a lot of other dross that has come out this year.
 
Well, I've seent it(2D for life) and have let it settle for a few days, my thoughts.

It's really a film of 2 halves, it certainly seems as though a hell of a lot ended up on the cutting room floor. Up until Shaw wakes up on the bed the film is engrossing. You are pulled in by an incredible prologue, and breathtaking visuals really sell the fact you are witnessing a bold scientific expedition.

Yes it has frequent moments of stupidity. A scientist spends roughly 30 mins on an alien planet, finds evidence of super intelligent life, then gets blitzed on champers because he's failed!? Sleep on it fella, you bloody found a big line of installations almost immediately, who knows what you'll find on boxing day!

A biologist, confronted by a creature that's behaving exactly like a space cobra, decides it's a good idea to try and tap it on the head. Would he do that with a normal cobra? Never mind the fact he's in a bloody space suit that he needs undamaged to survive!

There are some terrible script problems, mainly horrible line telegraphing of whats to come. (You will have 2 mins to survive without oxygen! Did you know Vickers pod can detach from the ship? I CANT GET PREGNANT!) but, you can forgive it because the themes developing are pretty massive and exciting

And then the whole thing goes to hell. The pacing goes wildly erratic, the characterization goes completely out the window.

David, despite seeming dead set on conducting alien experiments and research, never even questions/checks what the hell has happened to Shaw's Alien babba.

A crew person chuckles to his mate like it's a jolly boys day out as he prepares to kill himself and everyone left on the ship?!

I'm guessing a lot of the exorcised material can flesh all this out a bit. It may even be able to tone the pacing a little in the latter parts of the film. (Scott said the other day on Radio 5 live that there is lots of stuff he wants to put back in the film, and that you shouldn't rule out a super directors cut, ala Kingdom of Heaven)

It's kind of a glorious mess of a movie, but as time goes on I feel strangely compelled to see it again. I'm trying to figure out why that is, maybe because at the very least its a great visual spectacle, which at least tries to do something bold and interesting.
 
[*]After being screwed over by David and saving herself via auto-surgery, Shaw runs back into them and is all like 'Oh hi! I'll just pop over to the ship with you then.' Surely she should've tried to find the captain and warn him (or even them!) of the psycho android among them? This is like if in ALIENS, Hudson's reaction to Burke's treachery was "oh, you silly!" instead of "You're dogmeat, pal!"
[*]So Weyland goes to meet the engineer (knowing he is potentially lethal) with ONE security guy? Isn't that sort of stupid? And for what reason? Because he thinks the big guy will grant him everlasting life? Why would he think this? And what a desperately cliched motivation for your bad guy.
[*]The giant space vagina grew to that size in what, a couple of hours? I know the gestation / growth periods were blown to shit in the AVP films but I expected more from this.
[*]It's nice that the 2 random dudes agreed to sacrifice their lives for us when Stringer Bell asked them to. Shame we know nothing about them. Thanks anyway guys!

Yeah, these were big disappointments for me.

The first one in particular. I honestly had to put the fact that Shaw rejoins David and Weyland etc out of my mind to enjoy the final part of the film.

Also, I was wondering about the xenomorph at the end. How did it fit inside the engineer? Maybe I'm misjudging its size but it seemed pretty huge to fit inside his abdomen.
 
- The space jockey not saying anything and just going on a rampage. It's pretty obvious he became hostile right after reading David's mind (which probably had information of Weyland's motives). Having any dialogue come from him wouldn't have helped any, really....

Did not infer that at all. Considering it's the first time I read that, I don't think many others did either.
 
So the 'squid'... it's a giant evil sperm, yes?

It was a parasite (black goo) within a parasite (sexually transmitted worm) within a parasite (giant facehugger)...so it's more like a fully fledged fetus than sperm, the black goo is the evil sperm...

I believe if Holloway had not been burnt he would have given birth, and that if Shaw had not had the abortion so soon after infection she would've had symptoms like Holloway's. That's the only way this life cycle makes any kind of sense.

But then you have to wonder where the worms came from, if those were indigenous or not. How the big facehugger like worm came about. Why the guy who fell in the black goo became crazy. I just don't know...

Did not infer that at all. Considering it's the first time I read that, I don't think many others did either.

Okay, not obvious, but look at how he rubs his open palm across David's forehead. He goes ape shit right afterwards. It was certainly the first thing that came to mind for me...
 
It was a parasite (black goo) within a parasite (sexually transmitted worm) within a parasite (giant facehugger)...so it's more like a fully fledged fetus than sperm, the black goo is the evil sperm...

I believe if Holloway had not been burnt he would have given birth, and that if Shaw had not had the abortion so soon after infection she would've had symptoms like Holloway's. That's the only way this life cycle makes any kind of sense.

But then you have to wonder where the worms came from, if those were indigenous or not. How the big facehugger like worm came about. Why the guy who fell in the black goo became crazy. I just don't know...



Okay, not obvious, but look at how he rubs his open palm across David's forehead. He goes ape shit right afterwards. It was certainly the first thing that came to mind for me...

Engineers = SuperMecha's? Maybe they have bad blood toward A.I's called David.
 
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