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Scott somehow managed to turn the fucking Space Jockeys into another generic evil alien species. The God-Creators of humanity are less interesting than the xenomorphs.

I don't see how they're generic. At their core, they're still Jockeys. We already knew that they were flying around with weapons in their cargo. They didn't change that. They added some dimensions to it. They characterized the Jockeys in an interesting manner, and the characterization of the Jockeys was one of the best parts of the film. See the scene with them waking up with the Jockey. That is nothing but Jockey character development! And all without a comprehensible word being spoken by it.

Is it possible that the reason the Engineers created humans was simply to act as hosts for xenomorphs? That humanity combined with black goo is the weapon? They kept the two elements on separate planets so that xenomorphs aren't accidentally unleashed.

Ya, me and my friends concluded that humanity was some kind of resource that the Jockeys needed, hence why they were doing what they were doing with earth.

Someone's impregnated with an alien baby.
No one cares.
That same person just had an abortion.
No one cares.
That alien baby is locked in a room.
No one cares.
Weyland is alive and on the ship.
No one cares.

Most of that is easy: there were 2 people with Noomi. They got knocked out. Everyone else was waking up Weyland/fighting zombie guy. Then everyone left immediately after the alien abortion. The only one who would have known what happened to Noomi was David, and he makes puns about it. Like Weyland would fucking care, he's five minutes from dieing.

It coulda probably been done better, seeing as people are commonly finding issue with this part, but it isn't implausible.
 
Her being impregnated can be written off, but not anything else. Why did nobody in the room, except David, even so much as give a second thought to what she looked like when she ran in after the abortion.

I was expecting it to be some thing where Weyland told David to impregnate her, but nothing ever came of it. Weyland himself didn't seem to give two shits.
 
How many people actually knew she was pregnant apart from David? It wouldn't surprise me if he spun some tale about her being unstable or infected so they needed to put her in stasis until they got home and got her 'proper' medical treatment.

The complaints about Weyland are valid, but they might not care after all they've witnessed with Fifield in the hanger bay and what happened to that other guy whose name I forget.

Even if that was the case, there was no follow up:

- Hey guys sorry i knocked you out but i had to have a csection
- you aren't gonna ask me about it? you aren't gonna do anything about it at all?
- by the way there's a dead alien life form in the lifepod, you wanna go check it out? no? that's cool i guess
 
Her being impregnated can be written off, but not anything else. Why did nobody in the room, except David, even so much as give a second thought to what she looked like when she ran in after the abortion.

I was expecting it to be some thing where Weyland told David to impregnate her, but nothing ever came of it. Weyland himself didn't seem to give two shits.

It'd be like if you worked at Fox and suddenly Rupert Murdoch showed up and was handing out super payday bonuses. 'Oh, youve got staples on your stomach? That's cool, I'm busy trying to keep this fossil pleased cuz he's the king maker'.
 
I'm not gonna argue that the whole ancient aliens thing kinda cheapens the premise. But they weren't beating us over the head with it in a cliche manner so I didn't have any problems with it.

However, had that little bit not been there, then the aliens would have been just giant space monsters. Seeing them running around creating and uncreating stuff gives their entire race some character development that they wouldn't have otherwise had.

This is what I posted a while back in the thread about how I would have preferred to seen it done. Keeping us and the Engineers separate, side-stepping all the leaps of believability and plot-holes that the origin of man opens up. It was only initial thoughts, so not totally fleshed out but it hangs together a lot better for me if they were going to go down this route:

DECK'ARD said:
I think I'm going to come down as it being a middling film actually, which is even more frustrating!

I think the scope was there but they made a classic mistake in how they addressed the themes, which was trying to be too literal and too clever.

The origin of man is where all the problems open up, similar to BSG it was unneccessary and just requires so many leaps of logic to sustain the 'plan'.

They could still have explored God vs. his creation issues by keeping us and the Engineers separate. We created David, the Engineers have the ability to create new life, rapid mutations and are fascinated by different species. Space biologists, researching and collecting species, and they could have kept their form exactly the same as Alien.

The xenomorph was the result of them finding us long ago and taking some of us for the collection, which would explain the cave paintings. Unleashing a species which was more powerful than its creator and ultimately ends with their destruction. 

We then go looking for what we once saw as a God and unknowingly make it all happen again.

Reading Ridley talk about Space Jesus just confirmed the whole film was doomed from the beginning, and explains the mess we got.
 
Even if that was the case, there was no follow up:

- Hey guys sorry i knocked you out but i had to have a csection
- you aren't gonna ask me about it? you aren't gonna do anything about it at all?
- by the way there's a dead alien life form in the lifepod, you wanna go check it out? no? that's cool i guess

You're right, it's an odd sequence of events that could have done with some additional scenes.

The main thing I found surprising and a little odd about it all was that David didn't go to see it, of all the characters in the movie, he seemed to be the most invested in seeing what would happen so it made little sense for him to all but ignore it.
 
I was expecting it to be some thing where Weyland told David to impregnate her, but nothing ever came of it. Weyland himself didn't seem to give two shits.

I think you've hit on one of the intentional ambiguities in terms of David's motivations. I was left with the impression that he was simply using what he found on the planet to create something for himself. That seems to fit quite well with the themes surrounding his character.

As for why no one really reacted to Shaw after the birth scene, I literally chalk it up to too much happening on the ship at once. Shit hit the fan fast. Besides that, the crew knew she was quarantined..so perhaps they explained her injuries away as the after-effects of invasive tests or something. After all, they saw what happened to her boyfriend.
 
Hey guys. Going to throw out a theory. I'm a little tired, and just coming up with random ideas in my head. This could be a post, that people find 100 reasons why it's wrong, and I get laughed at. But whatever. Here's a random idea.

What if the awoken engineer, didn't go crazy and hunt them down, because of anything david said. What if it's because, of what they looked like? Religion says, god created us in his image. What if humans look like, whatever got the engineers to create life on earth and what if the engineer was furious with those people, as everyone he was with got killed at the weapons base.

EDIT: Also. The statue of the face, at the weapons base, looked pretty human to me. But I'd need to see it again.
 
I am mixed on the film, as a lot of people are I think. While I thought the characters well-written and interesting, I found that the plot was far too sloppy. Too many plotholes and too many points at which I felt I had to suspend my disbelief. Not to mention there were parts that almost made me laugh out loud, Theron's death being the huge one.

On the other side though, the film did an amazing job at capturing the sense of dread and horror that I remember from the original Alien. I might think that things spiraled out of control a bit too quickly, but it still delivered in the end. The cinematography and imagery were great as well. During the opening shots I thought I had stumbled into a Terrance Malick film, very good stuff.

The acting was satisfactory for the most part, outside of Theron's "FATHER!" line and a few others like it. Elba and Fassbender stole the show, which I was expecting going in. Rapace was also great as the anchor for the audience, the only character who didn't seem either vaguely evil, crazy or absolutely apathetic to everything that was going on, something I felt the movie absolutely needed.

All in all, I think it was a great film, although it definitely is rather rough around the edges. I am looking forward to a sequel.
 
Hey guys. Going to throw out a theory. I'm a little tired, and just coming up with random ideas in my head. This could be a post, that people find 100 reasons why it's wrong, and I get laughed at. But whatever. Here's a random idea.

What if the awoken engineer, didn't go crazy and hunt them down, because of anything david said. What if it's because, of what they looked like? Religion says, god created us in his image. What if humans look like, whatever got the engineers to create life on earth and what if the engineer was furious with those people, as everyone he was with got killed at the weapons base.

EDIT: Also. The statue of the face, at the weapons base, looked pretty human to me. But I'd need to see it again.

Here's my thoughts that I posted a couple pages back:

I'm really simply amazed at everything this movie did. There was so much there that me and my friends spent the whole ride home dissecting it!

Some of us came out wondering if there was some kind of cycle occurring, life creating life creating life. An interesting proposition that pokes fun at the notion of a god. God created us, but what created god?

What really impressed though, was that all the questions you guys are asking, could be logically answered based on what we've seen in the movie, without things being spelled out. That we're able to sit here, analyze the evidence and come up with theories that generally point in the same direction just goes to show how well crafted a movie this was.

People giving the movie serious knocks for small points in the plot that could have been done better are paying to much attention to things that ultimately don't matter a whole lot in the grand scheme of the film.

Things of note:
-Engineers seed life, seemingly on purpose.
-Engineer fluid reacts to different life forms differently. It reacts to the worms differently than it reacts to the Engineers, and the humans and even sperm.
-Lets note that sperm don't exactly have the same genetic stuff as a full human.
-The implication that the xenomorph started out as a sperm retroactively makes Alien that much better! It strengthens all the sexual themes and implications of rape throughout the entire series!
-The 'tentacle thing' at the end was the first face hugger. That much is pretty obvious, especially considering what follows.
-While this wasn't the same planet as in Alien, we can conclude that a similar thing occurred. Th Engineers being of the same, or mostly the same, DNA can be presumed to generate the same kind of alien when mixing with the fluid in odd ways. Thus causing xenomorphs to come about despite the difference in location.
-That the aliens were not the original weapon, as presumed by many, is a great twist on things.
-The Engineers are spreading life for some reason, and that reason seems to be hinted at. They are clearly seeking to create weapons for war. The fluid is clearly a weapon of war. How do they make the fluid? And in such large amounts as they had? My friends and I came to the conclusion that they seed life to break it down into the fluid. Life is, for the Engineers, a thing to be harvested at a certain point, and not allowed to rival them. They're trying to eliminate whatever is threatening them, not seed more creatures that could possibly threaten them. Hence their wanting to go to earth and break down life. Answering the invitation was the cue to go harvest them.
-The thing this implies is that the Engineers are fighting something. THAT is the only thing that can't really be answered based on the movie alone. They could be fighting themselves, or something we don't even know about yet. You gotta be making weapons to use against something after all.

Other notes:
-Weyland puts special emphasis on David being like a son, and overlooks his daughter a whole lot. That's an interesting and subtle thing I didn't realize till after the movie.
-The scene where they awaken the Engineer is great. They all yell at him to ask their question. Then you don't get to know what he asks him, which in and of itself builds on David's character, and the ramification of the question is the head getting ripped off. What seems to have happened is the Engineer realized that, in keeping with the above, it was harvest time. Something along the lines of 'how beautiful what we have created, time to get rid of it'.
-The end is a fantastic setup. Head of super smart robot and Noomi Rapace flying through space trying to find the root of all things. If they made a sequel based on that premise, it would be a true space odyssey. Amazing potential.

And then this doesn't even get into what the murals in the one room meant, and what that translucent green thing was. We had no idea and have resolved to go see the movie again to try and figure it out.

But ya, the concern going into this was 'they're going to ruin the Jockey mystery by not answering the mystery in a good manner'. They answered the Jockey mystery amazingly, and have purposely replaced that riddle with a new, and equal, one. That is an astounding achievement.
 
I am mixed on the film, as a lot of people are I think. While I thought the characters well-written and interesting, I found that the plot was far too sloppy. Too many plotholes and too many points at which I felt I had to suspend my disbelief. Not to mention there were parts that almost made me laugh out loud, Theron's death being the huge one.

On the other side though, the film did an amazing job at capturing the sense of dread and horror that I remember from the original Alien. I might think that things spiraled out of control a bit too quickly, but it still delivered in the end. The cinematography and imagery were great as well. During the opening shots I thought I had stumbled into a Terrance Malick film, very good stuff.

The acting was satisfactory for the most part, outside of Theron's "FATHER!" line and a few others like it. Elba and Fassbender stole the show, which I was expecting going in. Rapace was also great as the anchor for the audience, the only character who didn't seem either vaguely evil, crazy or absolutely apathetic to everything that was going on, something I felt the movie absolutely needed.

All in all, I think it was a great film, although it definitely is rather rough around the edges. I am looking forward to a sequel.

Good review. Actually sums up very nicely, how I felt.
 
One wtf moment for me that I haven't seen here or in other discussions is why the fuck the starmaps the Engineers left were to the supposedly satellite weapons installations.
 
Remember how she looked when she stumbled upon Weyland and friends?

I do, but would Weyland really care? His only interest was trying to live longer. The others, well they were there exclusively for Weyland, so it's not all that surprising they weren't interested. They did try to help though, but they were mainly about Weyland and helping him.

David's reaction is the most surprising/odd, he knew what had transpired so his lack of interest was really odd.

It comes back poorly developed characters/poor writing, which I think everyone can agree plagues this movie.
 
Did anyone else feel that when the Xeno came out of the Engineer at the end it almost seemed as if it could have been an intelligent/sentient creature?
 
I do, but would Weyland really care? His only interest was trying to live longer. The others, well they were there exclusively for Weyland, so it's not all that surprising they weren't interested. They did try to help though, but they were mainly about Weyland and helping him.

David's reaction is the most surprising/odd, he knew what had transpired so his lack of interest was really odd.


It comes back poorly developed characters/poor writing, which I think everyone can agree plagues this movie.

He said that she had a brilliant survival instinct and and proceeded to act like an android and tend to Weyland. Also, as he is an android..I'd expect he'd be able to deduce immediately what had happened, and why Shaw's presence wasn't an immediate danger. Were you expecting an overly human reaction? That would've been poor characterization. So no, as of yet, I don't really agree that the film suffers from poor writing. Then again, I've only seen it once.
 
He said that she had a brilliant survival instinct and and proceeded to act like an android and tend to Weyland. Also, as he is an android..I'd expect he'd be able to deduce immediately what had happened, and why Shaw's presence wasn't an immediate danger. Were you expecting an overly human reaction? That would've been poor characterization. So no, as of yet, I don't really agree that the film suffers from poor writing. Then again, I've only seen it once.

His lack of curiosity is what I found odd. He obviously knew what had happened to her, but his lack of interest in seeing what had come out up close is what I found odd.

He's shown to be very curious until that point, then his character seems to undergo a complete shift into sinister android.

It's poor writing/character development.

Compare it with Ash, that's how you do helpful to curious to sinister. Prome appears to have tried to do the same but the writing/character development to the point where the character shifts simply wasn't good enough to pull it off.
 
He said that she had a brilliant survival instinct and and proceeded to act like an android and tend to Weyland. Also, as he is an android..I'd expect he'd be able to deduce immediately what had happened, and why Shaw's presence wasn't an immediate danger. Were you expecting an overly human reaction? That would've been poor characterization. So no, as of yet, I don't really agree that the film suffers from poor writing. Then again, I've only seen it once.

Maybe you should watch it again, and pay closer attention.

Everyone actually, since a lot of people were asking stupid questions like "what was the point of the space jockey dying in the beginning"

"We've just arrived at a completely uncharted and unexplored planet. Should we survey it from orbit? Make maps, scan for electromagnetic emissions, that kind of thing?"
"Fuck, no! Auger this trillion-dollar bitch down right away. Fly around at random burning up fuel, I'm sure we'll spot something cool if we look out of the window long enough."
"Er... okay. Well, wow, we found something. What do we do?"
"What do you think? Run right in there, and if we find any alien corpses, we all remove our helmets and take deep breaths to get a really good smell."

The characters were acting like morons long before any 'severe circumstances' even started.

haha
 
Maybe you should watch it again, and pay closer attention.

Everyone actually, since a lot of people were asking stupid questions like "what was the point of the space jockey dying in the beginning"

Did you mean to quote me? Your overly hostile response doesn't really follow from anything I said...

I was just trying to provide a simple explanation for one moment in David's characterization. I wasn't asking any questions.
 
Did you mean to quote me? Your overly hostile response doesn't really follow from anything I said...

I was just trying to provide a simple explanation for one moment in David's characterization. I wasn't asking any questions.

I was quoting you because you didn't seem to get it, though the second part was aimed towards everyone because a lot of people all over the net and in person seem to not get a lot of the obvious parts either.
 
One wtf moment for me that I haven't seen here or in other discussions is why the fuck the starmaps the Engineers left were to the supposedly satellite weapons installations.

Because Scott wanted to tell a story about mankind searching for their origins and finding something sinister instead of benevolent. I get the sense that he really didn't give a damn about the particulars as long as it fulfilled the general criteria.
 
I'll say I agree with most of Gaf on this. Movie was relatively straight forward and logical. It made sense. It just didn't answer alot of questions nor did it have motivation for anything. After I left I was questiong what had I just watch. It didn't answer anything, but explained some stuff.

Anyways, I believe the premise is to explain how xenomorphs are created. Not necessarily like, how the specific Aliens in Alien are created, but just the over all premise of their life cycle.

Prometheus takes place 50 years before Alien on a different planet, so I see it more of a parallel origin story rather than a huge explanation of what actually creates the Aliens that we know. While they hint at their existance, there is no explanation for what happened to the Jockeys, or the "tomb". Maybe the Aliens we know are behind that wall of the tomb? Dunno.

But what we can infer is that, the ship that crashes is the only one on the planet that had Jockeys in it trying to escape or lift the ship off. Because in the ship that Shaw & David get on, there aren't any Jockeys or other life forms that we know of. We can assume that there is black goo, but why are there no Jockeys?

Anyways I want more. I feel like I just finished Kingdom Hearts 1 or season 2 of Lost.
 
Most of that is easy: there were 2 people with Noomi. They got knocked out. Everyone else was waking up Weyland/fighting zombie guy. Then everyone left immediately after the alien abortion. The only one who would have known what happened to Noomi was David, and he makes puns about it. Like Weyland would fucking care, he's five minutes from dieing.

It coulda probably been done better, seeing as people are commonly finding issue with this part, but it isn't implausible.

In terms of writing, that stuff didn't matter. I can see the reasons why other characters didn't react to it: they were off doing other important stuff, but narratively, the movie should have had some reaction to these big occurrences. In fact, it wasn't even brought up again besides an exchanged look between Shaw and David. It's like the movie itself didn't even care.
 
To be honest - you have concocted a list of unanswerable questions due to the awful screenplay and direction.

The acting was good, the writing was an abomination.

Eh, they're only as unanswerable as the original set of Jockey questions were, and those had nothing to do with writing quality.
 
ITT people hastily tear apart a Ridley Scott sci-fi movie immediately upon release. Sound familiar?

I'm not saying the film's not shit. I just think it's complex enough to be worth discussing at length without the hidden agenda of proving that it's horribad.

The biggest thing to me was nobody gave a shit about Weyland being alive. Idris Elba's character should have had some kind of scene relating to it as Weyland just strode off the ship.

Perhaps the Weyland employees were aware he was on-board. It's also possible Idris Elba just didn't give a shit. That seems pretty consistent with his character, as well.

To be honest, at that point I think there were probably just too many streams going on at once and the writers sort of lost track. Either that or there was a bunch of footage left on the cutting room floor.
 
The biggest thing to me was nobody gave a shit about Weyland being alive. Idris Elba's character should have had some kind of scene relating to it as Weyland just strode off the ship.
 
You're nodding to Blade Runner right?

Yah. I've only seen Prometheus once, so I'm not the best judge. Also, as a disclaimer, it's worth mentioning that I'm not trying to argue that it's as good as Blade Runner. Just an interesting parallel in terms of the reception that I thought I'd bring up.
 
Just saw it. Cinematography and effects were fucking superb.

I'm just lost on how the Engineers ship couldve wound up on LV 426. Was that the ship Shaw used to leave 223 with David? Could that be her in the Jockey suit in Alien? How did the Engineer ship on 426 get evolved eggs? Since there were many "pyramids" on 223 Im assuming that each one had a ship docked underneath it so maybe it was a completely alternate Engineer ship that wound up on 426...

God damn.

-Abortion scene was tough for me to handle
-LOVED seeing the supreme primitive form of the facehuggers in the cave that attacked the two guys. When it opened up to show that butterfly wing spread around its mouth it was immediately apparent it was an early hugger form.
-That mammoth squid hugger rape scene with the Engineer was disturbing
-Thought the addition of the primitive xeno at the end felt a little bit tacked on but it was still cool.
 
Yah. I've only seen Prometheus once, so I'm not the best judge. Also, as a disclaimer, it's worth mentioning that I'm not trying to argue that it's as good as Blade Runner. Just an interesting parallel I thought I'd bring up.

Well, that was my immediate thought when I left the theater too. Thinking about it now, there are even similar slight leaps of logic with the plot. I'm basically in the same camp as you, but with the slight difference that I'm certain this is a good film. I think only time and debate will tell how good.

I'm just lost on how the Engineers ship couldve wound up on LV 426. Was that the ship Shaw used to leave 223 with David? Could that be her in the Jockey suit in Alien? How did the Engineer ship on 226 get evolved eggs? Since there were many "pyramids" on 223 Im assuming that each one had a ship docked underneath it so maybe it was a completely alternate Engineer ship that wound up on 426...

Seems like it might just be a different Engineer ship, perhaps from the original incident that killed the Jockeys.
 
I'm basically in the same camp as you, but with the slight difference that I'm certain this is a good film. I think only time and debate will tell how good.

Personally I'll reserve full judgement until a director's cut, as it certainly has to contain lots of footage that was cut.

However, as it stands - this is simply not a good film. It's not awful by any means, but I think a lot of people are giving Scott way too much credit for lackluster work. The writing is THAT bad.
 
-David speaks Engineers language to Engineer
-Engineer thinks: "Well this is enough advancement for you now that you know how to communicate with us and got here"
-Human race must be eliminated
-Decapitation
 
"We've just arrived at a completely uncharted and unexplored planet. Should we survey it from orbit? Make maps, scan for electromagnetic emissions, that kind of thing?"

What an awesome sci-fi horror movie that would be.
 
Just got back from seeing it. Here's a few thoughts:

-My biggest gripe is that no one reacted to her aborting/extracting the face squid.
-What happened to the guy who had the worm go inside of him. Did he get something implanted into him as well?
-The Xenomorph reveal at the end could've been an after the credits scene.

Overall, I give it an 80 out of 100. It was enjoyable but much left to be desired, though.
 
Well, that was my immediate thought when I left the theater too. Thinking about it now, there are even similar slight leaps of logic with the plot. I'm basically in the same camp as you, but with the slight difference that I'm certain this is a good film. I think only time and debate will tell how good.

A big yes to both the bolds. As much as I love Blade Runner, things about it have always felt almost deliberately incomplete (like you said, leaps of logic..and even a couple things that feel like plot holes). I feel the same way about Prometheus. Like I said on the last page, the fact that this movie is a good deal more philosophical than the other sequels to Alien makes this one stand above the crowd, at least for me. I've never been a huge fan of the James Cameron sequel, although I'll admit that it's a very good film.
 
Even if that was the case, there was no follow up:

- Hey guys sorry i knocked you out but i had to have a csection
- you aren't gonna ask me about it? you aren't gonna do anything about it at all?
- by the way there's a dead alien life form in the lifepod, you wanna go check it out? no? that's cool i guess

I think they were all insane. Every last one of them, I think they'd lost their minds at some point and where kind of pantomiming human behavior.
 
Just got back from the seeing the movie, I’m a little conflicted with how I feel about it. A part of me enjoyed it and the other part is disappointed. Overall a good movie but some things just bothered me.

The opening scene with the Engineer basically creating the human species (at least that’s what I assume he was doing) wasn’t really needed. They explained that pretty well in the movie itself with the DNA sample from the Engineer being a match with ours. The other scene was no one giving a shit that Shaw just had a fucking facehugger cut out of her stomach. And of course the sequel bait ending.

Other than those complaints I thought it was good. I’m curious to see where the sequel will go from here. I’m guessing Shaw either crashes the ship she stole into their home planet or they destroyed themselves and it’s overrun by xenomorph type creatures.
 
Here's one serious question; Why did the mohawked dude come back with super human strength? He got acid on his face. I assume it just melted him to death. Then he comes back as some sort of super mutant freak? Seems like the whole thing was put in there just to kill off a few of the crew members.
 
Here's one serious question; Why did the mohawked dude come back with super human strength? He got acid on his face. I assume it just melted him to death. Then he comes back as some sort of super mutant freak? Seems like the whole thing was put in there just to kill off a few of the crew members.

A few of the crewmembers who were never mentioned before or seen afterwards, and no "hey almost everyone is dead now because of the zombie"

It's like, what's the point of this?
 
Here's one serious question; Why did the mohawked dude come back with super human strength? He got acid on his face. I assume it just melted him to death. Then he comes back as some sort of super mutant freak? Seems like the whole thing was put in there just to kill off a few of the crew members.

He got SOME acid on his face, but then he fell into a small pond of the black goo.
 
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