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[Ether_Snake]

...what? How could they possibly expect people to understand that?

Scott says it actually doesn't matter, says "It could be Earth or any other planet, it was just to show that they create life, and I wanted a self-sacrifice". From my point of view, the idea is fucking stupid, unless it takes a few years for the DNA to turn into humans.

So the Space Jockey was our protagonist right? She stole a ship with a more evolved version of Xenomorphs on board and crashed or landed wherever wearing the space suit.
Nostromo finds her on that desolate planet where she died?

One thing I did like about this movie, is that I've always thought it was interesting that the Alien was a perfect machine to kill hmans. Every step of it's biology revolved around killing humans. I used to wonder about their home planet, and where they were on THAT food chain. They have acid blood, did that evolve to stop predators? Are there animals on there planet evolved to ignore acid?
Do creatures on their planets all make equally good hosts and victims to face-huggers?
Now I know they were created specifically to kill us.

Shaw meets God in Prometheus 2. God makes her understand why mankind must be punished. She accepts to deliver the payload herself, because she is a crazy fundamentalist. But... something happens. Maybe David stops her.

 

[Erigu]

So the Space Jockey was our protagonist right? She stole a ship with a more evolved version of Xenomorphs on board and crashed or landed wherever wearing the space suit.
Nostromo finds her on that desolate planet where she died?

Some considerable amount of suspension of disbelief would be required:

Although I guess anything is possible, with the Magical Black Goo...

They have acid blood, did that evolve to stop predators?

"Evolve"? What's that? The black goo did it all, never mind predators.

 

[maharg]

Some considerable amount of suspension of disbelief would be required:

Although I guess anything is possible, with the Magical Black Goo...


"Evolve"? What's that? The black goo did it all, never mind predators.

I feel like they shrunk the space jockey for this one. Seemed so much bigger in Alien.

 

[Chiggs]

I feel like they shrunk the space jockey for this one. Seemed so much bigger in Alien.

He's massive in that shot. Didn't they use children in that scene in order to make him look bigger?

 

[Staccat0]

Some considerable amount of suspension of disbelief would be required:

Although I guess anything is possible, with the Magical Black Goo...

Hrm, yeah...
I forgot how big it was.

"Evolve"? What's that? The black goo did it all, never mind predators.

re-read my post.
I USED to wonder that.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Me too.
I know it will never happen, but I really wish Cameron and Fincher would do the sequels. The whole fucking dynamic would flip on it's head I bet.

I dunno, wouldn't we wind up with a repeat of Ripley's tale? You'd have the second film a really fun action-y sort of tale and the third just some depressing slog through death. Plus, pretty sure Fox torched their bridges with Fincher.

Honestly, if Cameron did Prometheus 2, I'd be okay with it, cause I like most of his films (except Titanic and Avatar, those I hate). Though if Scott did Prometheus 2, that'd be sweet. So visually beautiful.

What are the chances Shaw and David get a happy ending in Prometheus 2? Zero? I'm betting zero. But I remain optimistic, I'll give it 200-1 odds. Maybe David will get his Terminator 2 hero moment if Cameron directed.

 

[Doc Holliday]

"I'm a xenomorph. The engineers have seemingly seen me before as there is a giant mural of me in the urn room, but in order to create me you seemingly need to...impregnate a human being with a squid and have the squid impregnate an engineer...???"

I thought was ok, it has a lot of issues. But I thought this question was answered pretty early. Engineer and human DNA is a 100% percent match or something. I'm assuming squid, black goo, and engineer interaction would yield similar results to a xenomorph.

 

[maharg]

Sunshine is a much better film than Prometheus. It looks better, has a better story coupled with a better script, and has a far superior 3rd act. Additionally, Danny Boyle is currently a better director than Ridley Scott, who really needs to give it up at this point.

I still think the flaws here are mostly in the script. Obviously Scott had pick of writer, and he chose Lindelof, so he bears responsibility for that.

But really, Lindelof was a terrible choice for this. It needed someone precise and calculating. What we got was meandering and philosophical.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I feel like they shrunk the space jockey for this one. Seemed so much bigger in Alien.

Yep.

And actually, scrap what I said above. She couldn't fit in that chair.

PLOT HOLE! The art book says that chair is the pilot chair, the flute thing is the "command deck". So how the fuck did they pilot the ship?? LOL

 

[Staccat0]

I dunno, wouldn't we wind up with a repeat of Ripley's tale? You'd have the second film a really fun action-y sort of tale and the third just some depressing slog through death. Plus, pretty sure Fox torched their bridges with Fincher.

Second one would be less high concept and more of a romp and special effects spectacle. She goes to their planet and takes on hordes of Engineers or whatever.

Third one, Fincher comes in with something to prove and makes the best Alien related film since the first one. Whatever the subject matter, I'd love to see him take a crack at sci-fi/ Just a dream though.

Neither Cameron or Fincher has a good reason to do it now. I think Fincher's would be the best though.

 

[Erigu]

re-read my post.
I USED to wonder that.

Yeah, sorry for the misunderstanding: I just meant that I was annoyed with the movie's take on that.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Yep.

And actually, scrap what I said above. She couldn't fit in that chair.

PLOT HOLE! The art book says that chair is the pilot chair, the flute thing is the "command deck". So how the fuck did they pilot the ship?? LOL

They're aliens that use giant green glowing crystals to turn shit on and use black ooze to fuck everyone up. I don't think the ship's controls are all that analogous to how we'd do things.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

Second one would be less high concept and more of a romp and special effects spectacle. She goes to their planet and takes on hordes of Engineers or whatever.
Third one, Fincher comes in with something to prove and makes the best Alien related film since the first one. Whatever the subject matter, I'd love to see him take a crack at sci-fi/ Just a dream though.

I think it would be cool if Fincher did do it. I hate Alien 3, it was just dark and depressing for no real reason. Ripley infected made no sense. But since then, the man has put out some fantastic films. I'd love to see him do it with a fantastic script and no executive oversight like what happened with Alien 3.

 

[Staccat0]

Yeah, sorry for the misunderstanding: I just meant that I was annoyed with the movie's take on that.

I guess the black ooze DOES sort of makes them less impressive as monsters.

 

[FStop7]

...what? How could they possibly expect people to understand that?

Especially considering they used a very distinctive landmark on Earth for the scene.

If it's not supposed to be Earth then don't pick somewhere so recognizable.

 

[The Librarian]

I've only seen it once, but thinking it over, did we learn anything more about the Engineers in Prometheus than what we knew in Alien? Anything substantial, that is? I guess that they're the origin of the human species, but I don't think that reason alone is enough to justify Prometheus' existence.

 

[Dead]

lol, David Fincher gives not a single shit. I doubt we will ever see him direct a sequel to someone elses movie ever again.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I've only seen it once, but thinking it over, did we learn anything more about the Engineers in Prometheus than what we knew in Alien? Anything substantial, that is? I guess that they're the origin of the human species, but I don't think that reason alone is enough to justify Prometheus' existence.

We learned that they hate and want to kill us.

 

[Ether_Snake]

They're aliens that use giant green glowing crystals to turn shit on and use black ooze to fuck everyone up. I don't think the ship's controls are all that analogous to how we'd do things.

But the book says the chair is the piloting chair. So they fly out of there sitting in it, but with no suit or whatever?

Ah fuck this.

Especially considering they used a very distinctive landmark on Earth for the scene.

If it's not supposed to be Earth then don't pick somewhere so recognizable.

Uh? It looked like Iguazu Falls, but was clearly in a more Nordic-like area. Pretty sure the thing was CG, there are no such falls in Iceland I don't think.

 

[maharg]

Especially considering they used a very distinctive landmark on Earth for the scene.

If it's not supposed to be Earth then don't pick somewhere so recognizable.

You do realize that there is no such thing as a landmark visible now that would be recognizable when they would have seeded Earth, right? I would think they were just looking for somewhere spectacular.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

But the book says the chair is the piloting chair. So they fly out of there sitting in it, but with no suit or whatever?

Ah fuck this.

Maybe it's connected telepathically in conjunction with the crystals and buttons. Maybe the suits are just... biohazard suits?

 

[Cake Boss]

So what was up with the first scene, anywhere care to explain what that was about?

 

[Staccat0]

I've only seen it once, but thinking it over, did we learn anything more about the Engineers in Prometheus than what we knew in Alien? Anything substantial, that is? I guess that they're the origin of the human species, but I don't think that reason alone is enough to justify Prometheus' existence.

In Alien we learn that they got on a Space Jockey ship somehow and killed them. It looked like they were being transported by the jockey and something went wrong. I also assumed they were cargo.

In Prometheus, we learned that they CREATED the Xenomorphs AND mankind, and furthermore that they seemingly wanted us gone. We also learned that they were smaller than they look, that that was definitely a space suit and that they have visited earth again and again for confusing reasons. Also, they seemingly disliked inorganic tech to the point of tearing the head off any android they meet (citation needed)

 

[Dead]

So what was up with the first scene, anywhere care to explain what that was about?

creation of life

 

[Staccat0]

So what was up with the first scene, anywhere care to explain what that was about?

It's been explained. Apparently Ridley explained it in interviews outside the context of the film.
I HONESTLY, sorta put it together based on the music cues and imagery, but it was a weird scene to include for no good reason.

The Engineer was seeding his DNA into a planet, maybe not even earth.

 

[TUROK]

Alright, so lets say in Prometheus 2 they outright state that the black goo is like the Xeno primordial soup and that coming into contact with it makes you into some sort of variation of it. Would you guys be cool with that?

This would mean that Holloway was turning into a Xeno, as was Fifield, and that the hammerpede were Xeno-worms or some shit.

Honestly, it seems silly, but it would at least make some sense... For the time being. Then there would be other logistical problems.

 

[The Librarian]

In Alien we learn that they got on a Space Jockey ship somehow and killed them. It looked like they were being transported by the jockey and something went wrong. I also assumed they were cargo.

In Prometheus, we learned that they CREATED the Xenomorphs AND mankind, and furthermore that they seemingly wanted us gone. We also learned that they were smaller than they look, that that was definitely a space suit and that they have visited earth again and again for confusing reasons. Also, they seemingly disliked inorganic tech to the point of tearing the head off any android they meet (citation needed)

Well, the fact that the Space Jockey's species created the lifeform was heavily implied I think. I guess I feel all of the information presented in Prometheus isn't justified because it doesn't bother answering the questions it raises. Filler, essentially.

 

[Dead]

The Hammerpede is pretty obviously meant to reflect a facehugger design wise.

Theres no doubt that the Goo is the first step in the Xeno evolutionary ladder really.

Its just a question now as to what were the conditions that led to the Xenos we know and love.

 

[Staccat0]

Well, the fact that the Space Jockey's species created the lifeform was heavily implied I think. I guess I feel all of the information presented in Prometheus isn't justified because it doesn't bother answering the questions it raises. Filler, essentially.

Answering questions isn't the purpose of film.
Also, I just rewatched Alien before seeing the new film and tried to see it with blind eyes. It really doesn't imply anything about the origin of the Xenos. One could conclude a number of things, but they would all be valid. The movie barely aknowledges the Space Jockey. In the movie, it's very clearthat man has already made first contact. No one is that freaked to see something non-human

That said, the script was shit.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Actually, the worm-to-Xenomorph thing explains something important that I overlooked:

The mural showed a Xenomorph that looks exactly like the one at the end of the movie. So we know the Xenomorph is something that already "exists".

In the movie, we saw how quickly the black goo managed to lead to a Xenomorph over a short period of time.

SO, it explains how the Jockey who sacrificed himself at the beginning of the movie did so to create humans: humans would be born SOON after the goo infects some creature. Doesn't matter if it infects an elephant or fish or whatever. It will quickly lead to the emergence of humans, just like in this case it quickly led to the emergence of a Xenomorph.

It means the whole "wtf they did this millions of years ago???" is wrong, no, they didn't. They probably created humans a few thousand years ago.

Lindelof, in an interview, implied that Xenomorphs exist because of a mistake, because David fucked around. THAT makes no sense, the above, the mural, etc. does. Lindelof himself sounds like he wasn't even sure wtf he was writing.

 

[Dan]

I still think the flaws here are mostly in the script. Obviously Scott had pick of writer, and he chose Lindelof, so he bears responsibility for that.

But really, Lindelof was a terrible choice for this. It needed someone precise and calculating. What we got was meandering and philosophical.

It's abundantly clear in the interviews that Ridley Scott probably deserves a story credit on this. He was steering the ship at all times.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

You know, all the questions people are asking Lindelof and Scott, someone needs to ask him why the Engineer strokes David's head before killing everyone.

 

[Zoe]

So why does an android need to bleach its roots?

 

[TUROK]

Actually, the worm-to-Xenomorph thing explains something important that I overlooked:

The mural showed a Xenomorph that looks exactly like the one at the end of the movie. So we know the Xenomorph is something that already "exists".

In the movie, we saw how quickly the black goo managed to lead to a Xenomorph over a short period of time.

SO, it explains how the Jockey who sacrificed himself at the beginning of the movie did so to create humans: humans would be born SOON after the goo infects some creature. Doesn't matter if it infects an elephant or fish or whatever. It will quickly lead to the emergence of humans, just like in this case it quickly led to the emergence of a Xenomorph.

It means the whole "wtf they did this millions of years ago???" is wrong, no, they didn't. They probably created humans a few thousand years ago.

Lindelof, in an interview, implied that Xenomorphs exist because of a mistake, because David fucked around. THAT makes no sense, the above, the mural, etc. does. Lindelof himself sounds like he wasn't even sure wtf he was writing.

Uh... Are you trying to say that in this universe, animals existed but humans did not? And that humans are some sort of proto-Xenomorphs?

 

[Zoramon089]

You know, all the questions people are asking Lindelof and Scott, someone needs to ask him why the Engineer strokes David's head before killing everyone.

Probably to feel that he's not human. I have a feeling the engineers probably hate inorganic life. All their machinery and stuff seems to be biological. Maybe that explains why they want to destroy humans now. Maybe the predators are drawn to species with inorganic lifeforms and technology and the engineers figure humans are too much of a risk so they send these creatures to destroy them

 

[The Librarian]

Answering questions isn't the purpose of film.

It kind of was. To go there and meet our maker and ask "Why are we here?" The whole expedition goes there looking for answers. They don't get any. Looking back at it now, the whole movie does, largely, have a filler feel to it.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

So why does an android need to bleach its roots?

Because O'Toole is fucking awesome, that's why.

Lawrence of Arabia is David's favourite film.

 

[Ether_Snake]

It's abundantly clear in the interviews that Ridley Scott probably deserves a story credit on this. He was steering the ship at all times.

http://www.slashfilm.com/interview-...-paradise-prometheus-plans-prometheus-sequel/

Ridley Scott: Try writing a book, dude. That’s difficult. Writing a screenplay is like writing a book, it’s that simple. You’ve got a blank page and that’s it, a blank page and then you go from there and everyone has their own method. I know some start here and end here and I’m good with writers. I think I would never try to write… I’ve written two or three screenplays before, but I wouldn’t do it. It takes too long and I would rather… Te time it would take me to write a screenplay it would take me the time to make two films. I would rather make the movies and I’m a better moviemaker than I a would be writer.

 

[Staccat0]

Actually, the worm-to-Xenomorph thing explains something important that I overlooked:

The mural showed a Xenomorph that looks exactly like the one at the end of the movie. So we know the Xenomorph is something that already "exists".

In the movie, we saw how quickly the black goo managed to lead to a Xenomorph over a short period of time.

SO, it explains how the Jockey who sacrificed himself at the beginning of the movie did so to create humans: humans would be born SOON after the goo infects some creature. Doesn't matter if it infects an elephant or fish or whatever. It will quickly lead to the emergence of humans, just like in this case it quickly led to the emergence of a Xenomorph.

It means the whole "wtf they did this millions of years ago???" is wrong, no, they didn't. They probably created humans a few thousand years ago.

Lindelof, in an interview, implied that Xenomorphs exist because of a mistake, because David fucked around. THAT makes no sense, the above, the mural, etc. does. Lindelof himself sounds like he wasn't even sure wtf he was writing.

I feel like it's simpler than even that.
We saw two DIFFERENT versions of the facehugger in this movie. The little water guy who apparently turns you into a zombie and the big giant squid guy who is also a chest burster we saw at the end.
OUR beloved Xenomorphs are another try at the project. Probably a better one. The convoluted life cycle of THIS Xeno shows exactly this.
Just a theory.

Interesting thought that the dude always seeds human life. Makes sense actually. Ours matches his. No reason to assume that isn't always the case. Unless, THAT is why they hate us. Uncanny alien valley.
No h

 

[Sho_Nuff82]

I totally didn't pick up until just now that the alien worms were mutated versions of the worms they stepped on when they first walked in. Probably would have helped if I could have identified the mutated crew member, the entire time I thought it was David's reanimated corpse, since they had basically left him there.

 

[Ether_Snake]

Uh... Are you trying to say that in this universe, animals existed but humans did not? And that humans are some sort of proto-Xenomorphs?

Humans as we know them did not exist, no. Humans are not a proto-xenomorph (or at least nothing indicates this), but are a creation of the engineers thousands of years ago on Earth. The goo doesn't just create xenomorphs, it creates whatever life they want. In our case, the engineers created humans.

The goo is basically pre-programmed to lead to the creation of a specific organism, after a few succession of infections, regardless of what it infects.

We see it in the movie: the outcome of having a xenomorph was pre-determined, it didn't matter WHAT it infected.

So for humans it was the same: life was seeded, and it didn't take long for humans to be given birth afterwards, regardless of what the goo infected on the planet in question (a planet that obviously already could support life, hence had life).

Probably to feel that he's not human. I have a feeling the engineers probably hate inorganic life. All their machinery and stuff seems to be biological. Maybe that explains why they want to destroy humans now. Maybe the predators are drawn to species with inorganic lifeforms and technology and the engineers figure humans are too much of a risk so they send these creatures to destroy them

Scott said so in the above interview.

Question: The creator-creation dynamic is playing out threefold in the film, so it’s parent-child, god-man, and then man and AI and kind of delving into facing your creator and it doesn’t pan out very well for any of them. Do you think that that’s the fundamental appeal of this kind of myth in the sci-fi realm? It’s that cautionary tale about over reaching your bounds.

Ridley Scott: Totally. Very good. Yeah, we go too far, but then you can’t simply go too far, because by going too far “Are we living better today, despite all of the problems that exist, than the fifties?” Yes, of course we are. Then the eighteen fifties? No comparison. The nineteen hundred? No comparison in every shape and form, but are we heading towards a much larger problem? Definitely.

 

[TUROK]

We saw two DIFFERENT versions of the facehugger in this movie. The little water guy who apparently turns you into a zombie

Nope. Doesn't work this way.

Humans as we know them did not exist, no. Humans are not a proto-xenomorph (or at least nothing indicates this), but are a creation of the engineers thousands of years ago on Earth. The goo doesn't just create xenomorphs, it creates whatever life they want. In our case, the engineers created humans.

The goo is basically pre-programmed to lead to the creation of a specific organism, after a few succession of infections, regardless of what it infects.

We see it in the movie: the outcome of having a xenomorph was pre-determined, it didn't matter WHAT it infected.

So for humans it was the same: life was seeded, and it didn't take long for humans to be given birth afterwards, regardless of what the goo infected on the planet in question (a planet that obviously already could support life, hence had life).

This makes no sense. We clearly see the Engineer break down, and then we see individual cells undergo mitosis, and then get exponentially more complex. We don't see already existing organisms get infected with black goo or ingesting bits of the Engineer.

 

[Staccat0]

It kind of was. To go there and meet our maker and ask "Why are we here?" The whole expedition goes there looking for answers. They don't get any. Looking back at it now, the whole movie does, largely, have a filler feel to it.

Can't that be what the movie is about though? Is it filler because we didn't get answers, or because we didn't get answers and it's bad?
I hate answers personally. I leave that to nerds who wanna fight about "cannon" or whatever.
To me, a film about people of rationality, philosophy and spirituality going out into the stars to meet their maker and get answer is interesting, but if all they find is madness, death and cruelty beyond the scope of their logic... that's great. Very Lovecraft. I'm down with that. I love when aliens are truly alien to us. I love when people are forced to accept that the answers to life might be pretty sad. Cool themes.

It just wasn't executed well. I'm glad I didn't get a bunch of answers though.

 

[NotTheGuyYouKill]

I didn't mind not getting answers as well, cause I didn't expect them. I don't expect complete answers in Prometheus 2 as well, just Shaw and David getting a little closer to a truth they'll never get or never understand.

 

[Dan]

http://www.slashfilm.com/interview-...-paradise-prometheus-plans-prometheus-sequel/

Yes... as I said, story credit. He obviously didn't sit down and script something, but he sure as hell was guiding all the stupid themes and symbols shoved into this trainwreck. And Lindelof has talked about how he just kept taking orders from Scott about what needed to be put in.

 

[Staccat0]

Nope. Doesn't work this way.

I'm not sure what you mean. If you mean, it didn't turn that guy into the zombie and that it was the black glue or whatever, fine. Cool. Doesn't really matter to what I'm saying.
If you are saying those were not two different types of facehuggers... sorry man. The movie was open ended enough to support my basic theory.
Unless I'm confused?

 

[luxarific]

You know, all the questions people are asking Lindelof and Scott, someone needs to ask him why the Engineer strokes David's head before killing everyone.

I rather liked the speculation earlier in the thread that he was reading David's mind and that what he saw there (either David's true motivations or Weyland-Yutani's) was enough to cause the violent reaction.

Real reason:

Spoiler

because who wouldn't want to stroke Michael Fassbinder's hair?

 

[linkboy]

Just got done seeing it and overall I liked it. Was it perfect, no.

Honestly, the only thing that really bothered me was the DNA matching 100% because it basically throws genetics out the window. It would have been better to make it something like 98% the same. That would account for the evolution that occurred on Earth.

I also don't think the Engineers wanted to destroy us at first. Its pretty obvious that we did something to royally piss them off and its got to be that we killed one of them when they were paying us a visit (it could have been Jesus or not, who knows). That would be a surefire way to make them change their minds about us.

As for the black goo turning Fiefield into that thing, it was doing the same thing to Holloway. Did you see how he looked before Vickers torched him. Holloway only got a pea sized amount, Fiefield pretty much fell face first into it. That's going to accelerate the change.

The Engineer at the beginning, we don't know if the goo he drank was modified or not to cause the result that it did.

As for the Xenomorph on display, its been said many times in the Alien series that Xenomorphs are the perfect life form. I'm starting to fall into the camp that the Engineers worshiped them and considered them their greatest creation.

 

[Ether_Snake]

I feel like it's simpler than even that.
We saw two DIFFERENT versions of the facehugger in this movie. The little water guy who apparently turns you into a zombie and the big giant squid guy who is also a chest burster we saw at the end.
OUR beloved Xenomorphs are another try at the project. Probably a better one. The convoluted life cycle of THIS Xeno shows exactly this.
Just a theory.

Interesting thought that the dude always seeds human life. Makes sense actually. Ours matches his. No reason to assume that isn't always the case. Unless, THAT is why they hate us. Uncanny alien valley.
No h

Those guys were not infected by the goo. Only Holloway was, and as soon as he fucked it led to the birth of a face-hugger (a real one, not a snake). The goo probably doesn't allow for a human or xenomorph to be born from the goo infecting a squirrel or some such, it has to be a humanoid, which after reproduction leads to a xenomorph or human.

So on Earth, the goo probably infected some primates or whatever, then humans were born.

 

[Erigu]

So on Earth, the goo probably infected some primates or whatever, then humans were born.

But that wouldn't really be "seeding life", then...