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Speedymanic said:
This sounds plausible. The engineers in the hologram did appear to be slightly different in size. Same goes for the bodies stacked up, but it's harder to tell there.

Appearance wise, I wouldn't be surprised if they looked alike/male and female aren't easily distinguishable.
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Why stop at size. Just as with the Alien Queen, I'm sure the females are going to have some sort of interesting divergent design.
 
Writer Jon Spaihts says his drafts involved a meeting in Weyland's office — which at various times was either on a space station, or actually on the surface of Mars, right in the middle of the terraforming project. "Terraforming was much more Mr. Weyland's burning dream in my drafts," says Spaihts.

Oh, and as for why Weyland is played by Guy Pearce in old-man makeup, Spaihts says Damon Lindelof's script showed the android David going inside Weyland's dreams while he was in hypersleep — and in his dreams, Weyland is a young man, on a yacht surrounded by beautiful women. These dream conversations got cut, but Pearce's casting was already locked in. Scott had originally wanted to cast Max von Sydow as Peter Weyland. (In Spaiht's script versions, Weyland isn't aboard the Prometheus at all — instead, there's a hidden squad of company soldiers.)
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If I told you one of those two writers is 14 years old, which one would you pick?

Anyway, thanks for the "Mr. Burns is on the ship" plot twist, Damon.
What is Lindelof's obsession with rich old men who ruin their kids lives?

Lindelof: Well, I will say that I haven't had any experience with rich old men who have ruined my life. Some less rich old men who have been wonderful role models. But I think that the Keynesian "rich old man with nefarious intent" is a classic character in both regular fiction and both straight up genre. And just too delicious to resist.
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"Try harder."

What was David's motivation for "infecting" Holloway with black goop?

Lindelof: I'd say that the short answer is: That's his programming. In the scene preceding him doing that, he is talking to Weyland (although we don't know it at the time) and he's telling Weyland that this is a bust. That they haven't found anything on this mission other than the stuff in the vials.
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Guys, it took you two years to get there, maybe you could wait until you've spent more than a couple of hours in one of the many extraterrestrial facilities you've just discovered before declaring the expedition "a bust" and experimenting on your crew? Or am I making too much sense?

Lindelof: We're going to take those three generations, we're gonna lock them in a room together, we're gonna watch them have sex with each other. And then we're going to see what comes out. That was the experiment that Prometheus was running. And whether it was successful or whether it was a failure, it sure was fun to write.
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I'm happy for you, Damon. It's cool how you keep your priorities straight.

Is Prometheus anti-science?

Lindelof: It's definitely not anti-science. [...] I'm most definitively pro-science, but I think that the movie advances the idea that, can the two live along side each other? Is it possible to be a scientist and maintain some fungible faith in the unknown? And are you rewarded for having blind faith? I do think that the movie is making the meta-commentary in saying well Shaw is the true believer on board, and she's the one who survives. So what are we trying to say by telling that story?
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Sounds like "yes, you are rewarded for having blind faith, and that's definitely not an anti-science idea."
Or maybe "herp derp", I'm not sure.

Lindelof: they created us but now they want to destroy us, why did they change their minds? That's the question that Shaw is asking at the end of this movie, the one that she wants answered. I do think that there are a lot of hints in this movie that we give you quite and educated guess as to why.
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Lindelof: did something happen in between when those cave paintings were made — tens of thousands of years ago — and our arrival now, in 2093, 2,000 years after these things have perished. Did something happen in the intermediate period that we should be thinking about?
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Space Jesus, Space Jesus, Space Jesus.
 
Is Prometheus anti-science?

Lindelof: It's definitely not anti-science. [...] I'm most definitively pro-science, but I think that the movie advances the idea that, can the two live along side each other? Is it possible to be a scientist and maintain some fungible faith in the unknown? And are you rewarded for having blind faith? I do think that the movie is making the meta-commentary in saying well Shaw is the true believer on board, and she's the one who survives. So what are we trying to say by telling that story?
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I saw no scientists in Prometheus. None who acted or thought in any way like scientists anyways.
 
alright so i didn't read the whole thread but i am curious, so what IS the GAF consensus on this movie right now if there IS a consensus? I am getting negative vibes here but haven't seen the movie yet hmm.... wondering if i even should at this point?
 
Winnie the Pimp said:
alright so i didn't read the whole thread but i am curious, so what IS the GAF consensus on this movie right now if there IS a consensus? I am getting negative vibes here but haven't seen the movie yet hmm.... wondering if i even should at this point?
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General consensus as far as I can tell is that the movie is good/decent but has a lot of flaws and becomes more disappointing the more you think about it. There those on either side who either truly loved or truly hated the movie, though. I wouldn't personally recommend the movie after having had a few days to mull it over, but if you were curious about the film and/or Ridley Scott's return to sci-fi in general then I think you should experience it for yourself. Personally, I walked out of the theatre with a much more positive impression than I have now, but I don't regret seeing it. The film is certainly beautiful to look at.
 
Lindelof being responsible for Weyland being on the Prometheus is probably the least surprising development in the history of mankind.

They've really got me interested in seeing Spaihts' original screenplay, though.
 
Erigu said:
Asimov must be rolling in his grave something fierce.
I mean... I could understand that Weyland-Yutani wouldn't mind about Ash sacrificing the rest of the Nostromo crew so they'd get their hands on a precious sample, but David is just a goddamn liability to the whole mission (and Weyland himself, since he's on board), there.
"Let's infect one of our experts with that mysterious black goo stuff, sit back and see what happens!"
... Really?

Not that the rest of the Prometheus crew acts professionally/cautiously either (who the hell selected them?), but those are human, at least. David could be programmed not to piss in people's drinks.
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Hahaha, yeah, when the androids in Do Androids Dream of Electric Sheep? turned on their masters I was all like "plot hole!". Who wrote this garbage?
 
There's an altar to H.R. Giger inside the "Head Room."
Another set that I worked on was known as the "Head Room." This was a ceremonial room that contained hundreds of ampules beneath a giant sculpture of an Engineer's head. Julian Caldrow did an amazing job of working out all of the details for this environment and created the set drawings. The final set was built at full scale and was incredible to walk on. I also sculpted an altar area for this set that paid homage to Giger -it is a relief sculpture hanging from the wall and has the impression of an alien form with flowing structures surrounding it. There are a lot of easter eggs in this sculpture — including several hidden Giger motifs that were not used in the original film.
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Looks like we got an answer as to why the xenomorph relief was on the wall in there.
 
Winnie the Pimp said:
alright so i didn't read the whole thread but i am curious, so what IS the GAF consensus on this movie right now if there IS a consensus? I am getting negative vibes here but haven't seen the movie yet hmm.... wondering if i even should at this point?
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Most of the polarization has to do with the pseudo-religious references and plot/character turns that are more rooted in the themes of the movie than logic. That aside, the general consensus is that it is thoroughly gorgeous. I can't imagine passing up the chance to see it on the big screen.

For what its worth I loved it, though I tried to be objective in what I wrote above.
 
Deified Data said:
GAF, is this movie worth seeing again in 3D?
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Honestly, it was very subtle and well done. When things popped out, they seemed as if to do so with careful consideration by the director. Absolutely beautiful movie and probably worth a double dip in 3D.

Also, who could pass up another chance to see all of the pointless inconsistencies and shit :)
 
Deified Data said:
GAF, is this movie worth seeing again in 3D?
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I saw it both in 2D and 3D.

Although this was shot in 3D and is probably one of the better 3D of the modern era, I definitely preferred the 2D. I am admittedly not a fan of 3D in general, but I just considered it to be a distraction.
 
Debating a third viewing...
 
So I heard some people were pissed that Guy Pearce was Weyland, in old man prosthetic, because they expected him to appear as a younger person down the line. I didn't really expect that, but I think it's actually a cool kind of twist in a way. Everyone expected that maybe he'd find the fountain of youth or something, so that's why they casted him in the role, but instead he just gets fucking murdered as an old man. I thought that was a funny trick on those people who came in assuming.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I saw it both in 2D and 3D.

Although this was shot in 3D and is probably one of the better 3D of the modern era, I definitely preferred the 2D. I am admittedly not a fan of 3D in general, but I just considered it to be a distraction.
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I cant even comprehend how one can view the 3d in this as a distraction. The concept of that makes utterly 0 sense...
 
Izick said:
So I heard some people were pissed that Guy Pearce was Weyland, in old man prosthetic, because they expected him to appear as a younger person down the line. I didn't really expect that, but I think it's actually a cool kind of twist in a way. Everyone expected that maybe he'd find the fountain of youth or something, so that's why they casted him in the role, but instead he just gets fucking murdered as an old man. I thought that was a funny trick on those people who came in assuming.
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You should have looked a few posts up- you'd have seen a post about why they didn't just go with an older actor for Weyland:

symphonask said:
io9 has an article up entitled '10 Thing You Didn't Know About Prometheus.'

They have some concept art from the artbook as well.

http://io9.com/5917639/10-things-you-didnt-know-about-the-design-of-prometheus

Has some insights about the differences between Spaihts and Lindelof's drafts.
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Mondriaan said:
You should have looked a few posts up- you'd have seen a post about why they didn't just go with an older actor for Weyland:
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Hmm, that's interesting. I guess it wasn't intentional, but I still think that was a funny curve ball for those who expected to see him young again.
 
Tom_Cody said:
Most of the polarization has to do with the pseudo-religious references and plot/character turns that are more rooted in the themes of the movie than logic. That aside, the general consensus is that it is thoroughly gorgeous. I can't imagine passing up the chance to see it on the big screen.

For what its worth I loved it, though I tried to be objective in what I wrote above.
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The themes of the movie are also a convoluted mess. People aren't just upset that the movie put more emphasis on theme than plot, but that so many ideas were brought up and then abandoned without any resolution at all. Also, a number of people (myself included) were frustrated at how the movie seemed to play it both ways with whether or not it was an Alien movie, which led to a lot of confusing visual references without truly being either a horror film or a Big Idea sci-fi film.
 
Hey, it doesn't have to be Space Jesus. It could be Space Caesar. Maybe Brutus was a Space Jockey too.


Izick said:
So I heard some people were pissed that Guy Pearce was Weyland, in old man prosthetic, because they expected him to appear as a younger person down the line. I didn't really expect that, but I think it's actually a cool kind of twist in a way. Everyone expected that maybe he'd find the fountain of youth or something, so that's why they casted him in the role, but instead he just gets fucking murdered as an old man. I thought that was a funny trick on those people who came in assuming.
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I just thought it looked like shit.
 
I think one thing i was impressed by was the design of the space jockeys. I was always half-wanting somekind of walking elephantile thing but the pseudo voldemort look was ok too
 
maharg said:
Hey, it doesn't have to be Space Jesus. It could be Space Caesar. Maybe Brutus was a Space Jockey too.




I just thought it looked like shit.
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Nah, he looked fine. He was 99 years old so of course he was going to look like shit.

My question:

Why was the medical device set to Male? Was it because it was for Peter Weyland?
 
Alienshogun said:
Can someone link me back to that interview with RS where he basically says that the Engineers hate us because we killed space jesus?
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http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

The relevant quote is at the bottom of the page. Scott said that he thought it was too "on the nose" to state it explicitly in the script, but he talks about what a cool idea and how he thinks it fits. Also worth noting is that when asked about why the Engineers hate us, Lindelof said:

Golly, I'm all for ambiguity, but if we didn't know the answer to THAT one, the audience would have every right to string us up. Yes. There is an answer. One that is hinted at within the goalposts of "Prometheus." I'll bet if I asked you to take a guess you wouldn't be far off.
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Make of that what you will (it is Lindelof, after all) but there were enough pseudo-religious references in this movie, including the crucified Xenomorph, that I think the theory is on fairy solid ground.
 
Jacob said:
http://www.movies.com/movie-news/ridley-scott-prometheus-interview/8232

The relevant quote is at the bottom of the page. Scott said that he thought it was too "on the nose" to state it explicitly in the script, but he talks about what a cool idea and how he thinks it fits. Also worth noting is that when asked about why the Engineers hate us, Lindelof said:



Make of that what you will (it is Lindelof, after all) but there were enough pseudo-religious references in this movie, including the crucified Xenomorph, that I think the theory is on fairy solid ground.
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Thanks
 
Izick said:
Nah, he looked fine. He was 99 years old so of course he was going to look like shit.
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No, I didn't say *he* looked like shit. I said *it* looked like shit. He looked like a 30 year old man who poured wax on his head.

My question:

Why was the medical device set to Male? Was it because it was for Peter Weyland?
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Yes.
 
Except that he didn't, and I'm definitely not alone in thinking that. It's by far the worst effect in this film and extremely distracting.
 
maharg said:
Except that he didn't, and I'm definitely not alone in thinking that. It's by far the worst effect in this film and extremely distracting.
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Okay, I'm saying I don't think he looked completely terrible. He just looked like an old guy to me. Did he look a little weird? Sure, but it wasn't distracting at all. He was in the film for like 15 minutes in parts. Not really a big deal at all.
 
Tom_Cody said:
I saw it both in 2D and 3D.

Although this was shot in 3D and is probably one of the better 3D of the modern era, I definitely preferred the 2D. I am admittedly not a fan of 3D in general, but I just considered it to be a distraction.
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I want to see it a second time. Is IMAX 3D worth it?
 
I thought Pierce's Weyland makeup looked much worse as a hologram at the beginning than when we saw him in the third act. I don't know what it was, it just stood out to me more as being obviously fake, even though he is much further away.

EDIT: oh that ^ reminds me. I took some 3D glasses with me so I can make a pair that will have both eyes the same. That way I can watch IMAX without the 3D. :)
 
Izick said:
Okay, I'm saying I don't think he looked completely terrible. He just looked like an old guy to me. Did he look a little weird? Sure, but it wasn't distracting at all. He was in the film for like 15 minutes in parts. Not really a big deal at all.
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One part of those 15 minutes was basically the most pivotal moment of the climax. Kinda important.
 
So did I miss it, or did Elizabeth Shaw never find out that David poisoned her boyfriend? I mean, she knows David wanted to cryo-freeze her, but did she ever find out that he directly poisoned him? Or is that going to come up on the ride to the alien planet?

"David, btw, do you know how my boyfriend got infected...?"

"Uh, the air. Yeah. The air."

*David quietly and quickly turns back to watching Lawrence of Arabia for the 50,000th time.*NM
 
CartridgeBlower said:
So did Elizabeth Shaw ever find out that David poisoned her boyfriend? Or is that going to come up on the ride to the alien planet...

"David, btw, do you know how my boyfriend got infected...?"

*David quietly and quickly turns back to watching Lawrence of Arabia for the 50,000th time.*
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The scene where she tells the other people not to take of their masks as they don't know if what killed Holloway was airborne, and David replies instantly "it isn't" is where she's supposed to work it out.

However, she's dumb so she probably didn't.
 
Solo said:
The scene where she tells the other people not to take of their masks as they don't know if what killed Holloway was airborne, and David replies instantly "it isn't" is where she's supposed to work it out.

However, she's dumb so she probably didn't.
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Ah, that's right, I remember that now. Crazy there are no repercussions for this. You think she'd have a bigger beef with him. But fuck it, she needed a pilot to alien world so that drama just lifts away from the movie in mere seconds, never to be touched again. Blame it all on Weyland, problem solved.

Huge drama in this movie is glossed over with single lines, if we're lucky.
 
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