missile said:
It goes like this; 'Big companies don't give a single dime for their
customers, only their shareholders are of any interest, and as such do
amoral decisions from the perspective of a customer.'
But if the customers arent happy, then the consumers might buy less products from a certain company that they arent happy with, which means less income and/or profit for a comapny, which then means that the shareholders arent happy
If a company only cares about their shareholders, then the company automaticly have to care about their consumers as well or else things wont go that good. In most cases (or maybe in all cases?) the consumers are after all the group that brings in the big money to companies, so i think that big companies care much about if their consumers are happy.
I also think that it is worth to mention that even if it is a big company, the company is being runned by people, and i think that most people who work for big companies are pretty much like you and me when it comes to being a person. I think most of them have symapthy for others, and "others" in this case would also include the company's consumers. The companies might not listen to everything the consumers say, but that doesnt necessarily means that they dont care about their consumers. To take another example, a parent might not give his/her child everything that the child wants, but the parent most likely still care about his/her child. But this is just my opinion
What do you think about this?
missile said:
The PS2 was hacked 12 month after release (1999). And the PS2 Linux Kit came
out 2002. However, I was addressing another point. Some people think that
Linux on PS3 makes sense only if there is a multi-billion dollar business
backing it up, which I proved wrong by pointing out how the PS2 Linux Kit
came about.
Ah ok, i see. I havnt read all posts in this thread, so unfortunately i missed that someone said something about this. Ye, that is true, Linux could fine be used even if it isnt a multi-billion dollar business that is backing it up indeed, i agree
missile said:
"I havnt heard...."
Why not check yourself?
Indeed, i havnt heard of it, but that doesnt mean that i am saying that it isnt true if that is what you mean? =) I am just saying that havnt heard of it, that is why i asked you about it
I would have checked for myself if i knew where to check =) But since you mentioned that it was possible to fix the PS3 exploit by doing a fix to the PS3 hypervisor, i thought that it was easier to ask you
missile said:
"Geohot already indicated how the exploit can be fixed, see;
Here's your silver platter.
Line 10: The hypervisor does not check whether the writeback to memory was
successful or not. A simple read-after-write of said memory and the
hypervisor could check whether the given htab entry was indeed invalidated.
If you want to know more about how the exploit works, go over
here. And if
you don't believe anything at all, you may step through the source code
yourself. xorloser has done a
rewrite of geohot's exploit which is easier to
read and to understand compared to geohot's version.
Thanks for the info!
If is so easy (or at least it seems very easy to me) to fix the PS3 exploit without having to remove the OtherOS feature, why didnt Sony do this instead? Sony does after all know the PS3 hypervisor better than anyone else, so wouldnt Sony be able to see and fix this problem in the hypervisor without any big problems? I am not saying that it would be possible to fix/patch the PS3 hypervisor to stop the PS3 exploits just to underline that, but i am just wondering about this.
missile said:
'lol' because everyone could list features that are missing. And it's quite
boring for me to list those features time and again. There was once a list on
the PS blog with about 20+ entries almost everyone agreed upon. For me it's
boring to talk about it, it's trivial. Sorry.
Ye, everyone can list features that are missing indeed, that is true as you say, but i was just wondering what features that you personally missed from the XMB, what is "lol" about that?
If you mentioned earlier the features that you are missing from the XMB, then i didnt see this, sorry. But if you dont want to talk about it, no problem, i respect that
I was just wondering what features that you personally felt that is missing from the XMB.
missile said:
I don't even moan about that the PS3 browser doesn't support each and every
standard, but what bothers me the most is that the browser freezes a lot,
esp. if flash comes into play. And the browser has memory leaks without end.
Sometime I have to close all pages to free some memory, which doesn't help
either --> freeze. If I put the browser under heavy load (multiple tabs,
flash apps, ...) it crashes within minutes. And did I said that the browser
is slow and laggy?
Ah ok, i see, thanks for the info!
I usually only have 1 browser window up at the same time on the PS3 browser. I havnt really tried to use the PS3 more with having several of web browser windows up and running at the same time etc. I mostly use it browse forums and sometimes check YouTube. That usually works fine for me, but i have had the PS3 browser freeze on me as well, i remembered that now when you mentioned it. Ye, the PS3 browser is indeed slower compared to a PC browser, but for my usual use for browsing forums and checking YouTube, the PS3 browser speed is ok fast enough at least
missile said:
I know about 'Linger in the Shadows', but that is not what I meant by saying
"... demo scene, graphics / math programming on the Cell & RSX processor".
All this stuff should run under the OtherOS and not the GameOS, such that
people can share binaries and source code.
Ah ok, so you want to see Linux homebrew that takes advantage of the PS3 hardware? I understand, that is cool
I wouldnt mind to see that as well
EDIT: I missed this quote earlier:
missile said:
Interesting, but i think that the Sony guy probably didnt remembered the PS3 TOS that well (who is this guy he is calling by the way? The article only mentions "the Rep", but has it been known if this guy works for Sony's customer service or is it a guy who specifically works with the PS3?). The PS3 TOS does mentioned "cause some loss of functionality."
SYSTEM SOFTWARE LICENSE AGREEMENT (Version 1.3) FOR THE PlayStation®3 SYSTEM
From time to time, SCE may provide updates, upgrades or services to your PS3TM system to ensure it is functioning properly in accordance with SCE guidelines or provide you with new offerings. Some services may be provided automatically without notice when you are online, and others may be available to you through SCEs online network or authorized channels. Without limitation, services may include the provision of the latest update or download of new release that may include security patches, and new or revised settings and features which may prevent access to pirated games, or use of unauthorized hardware or software in connection with the PS3TM system. Some services may change your current settings, cause a loss of data or content, or cause some loss of functionality.
By using or accessing the System Software, you agree to be bound by all current terms of this Agreement.
http://gamer.blorge.com/2010/04/04/...ainst-ps3-v3-21-does-not-hold-water-in-court/
I guess that it is possible to discuss what "some loss" is though, if it is removing a feature completely (that would be "some loss" when looking at all the PS3 feature as a whole) or if it is to limit some of the functionality to a feature.
EDIT 2: I am sorry for the very late edit here, but i forgot to add some text earlier.