PS4 has 8 GB OF GDDR5 RAM
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Crazyorloco
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This is one of the reasons why I'm not so excited about the 8GB of ram. A lot of it will be allocated to the social services and plus the OS that are running while you play. They need plenty of RAM for all this to run smoothly.
*edit: I'm seeing people say that they PS4 may have 7.5GB ram for games. That would be nice (and definitely a reason to be excited), but i'm pretty sure the OS is going to use a lot.
From 4GB to 8GB? Seriously?
StealthGoblin
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Mentioned by me volumetric effects (explosions, smoke) from Knack trailer.
That looks good.
Speaking of Knack, the intro part that focused on the building didn't sit right with me. It looked like CG but a blurry kind of CG.
Slackbladder
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Are those plumes of smoke rendered in real time? They're exactly the same as each other.
GoddyofAus
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Source please? I had not heard them say this officially. Just that they were going to speed the OS up, not reduce its RAM footprint at the same time.
Personally, I'm really happy they've upped the RAM to 8Gb, so that MSFT couldn't say they have twice as much - the general public won't care about the bandwidth discussion as it's too esoteric and only understood (?) by enthusiasts. Too bad however that this move will most likely back fire in the price (or Sony's subsidy) of the console. Having said that, I feel it was a last minute decision (which some devs since confirmed) and was not backed-up by actual technical requirements, as general consensus was thus far that 4Gb of GDDR5 with much lower OS footprint and higher b/w will be enough. Hope that until launch they can somehow change that to stacked 8Gb of GDDR4, to retain the b/w and size, while reducing the cost (if that's possible).
Now, looking forward to see what they do about Durango's twice-as-powerfull CPU. A hint for Sony - go to 16 cores
Now, looking forward to see what they do about Durango's twice-as-powerfull CPU. A hint for Sony - go to 16 cores
I downloaded original trailer from Gamersyde. IT is 1080p@30FPS. There are places in which AA brakes like Knack assemble part.
I think it looks so good (as CG) because actual characters are not crazy detailed same with rest of what you see thanks to their ART.
Just a week ago everyone was creaming over 4GB of RAM, but now that we have 8GB of RAM there is a lot of people coming from under the bridge to say it won't make it a difference, that it is a bad design decision?
As if you thought Shadow Fall looked great in its current form just imagine what upgrades its going to get just by optimizing the engine designed around 4GB and then modifying the engine to accommodate double the amount of vRAM!
This is going to be an interesting gen indeed.
As if you thought Shadow Fall looked great in its current form just imagine what upgrades its going to get just by optimizing the engine designed around 4GB and then modifying the engine to accommodate double the amount of vRAM!
This is going to be an interesting gen indeed.
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Now, looking forward to see what they do about Durango's twice-as-powerfull CPU. A hint for Sony - go to 16 cores
What twice as powerful CPU?
Salacious Crumb
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"a lot of people" is a bit of a stretch, there's only been a couple in this thread.
I might be wrong, but the comments are not about size, but type of the RAM - it's great to have 8Gb, but it doesn't need to be GDDR5. Adding that is pointless when you're limited by the GPU. For example nVidia's Titan has 6Gb of GDDR5 and is like 6-8x more powerfull than PS4's GPU - if they felt it's better of with 8 or 10Gb they'd put it there, because at this price 100$ more is not an issue anymore
I know. I was just trying a extreme pessimistic outlook. I apologize ;p
Personally, I'm really happy they've upped the RAM to 8Gb, so that MSFT couldn't say they have twice as much - the general public won't care about the bandwidth discussion as it's too esoteric and only understood (?) by enthusiasts. Too bad however that this move will most likely back fire in the price (or Sony's subsidy) of the console. Having said that, I feel it was a last minute decision (which some devs since confirmed) and was not backed-up by actual technical requirements, as general consensus was thus far that 4Gb of GDDR5 with much lower OS footprint and higher b/w will be enough. Hope that until launch they can somehow change that to stacked 8Gb of GDDR4, to retain the b/w and size, while reducing the cost (if that's possible).
Now, looking forward to see what they do about Durango's twice-as-powerfull CPU. A hint for Sony - go to 16 cores
Durango has the same CPU as orbis ....
Someone, a lot more knowledgeable than the most of Gaf will have persuaded Sony the multi billion dollar investment will have been worth it.
Mentioned by me volumetric effects (explosions, smoke) from Knack trailer.
good lord... don't even remember that part. Absolutely amazing.
Search the Durango vs. Orbis thread - it's been speculated that Durango's Jaguar cores are basically able to process two instructions in the same time when Orbis' CPU would do a single one, because of some bus/register expanded from 64bit to 128bit (take this last part with big grain of salt - I don't know what I'm talking about). The point of all this is however, that 2x faster CPU adds only 100 GFlops to the system, while Orbis' GPU is 600GFlos faster - but again, that's quite esoteric.
Well, that's not what some (credible) Gaffers think:
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=47802013&postcount=996
(read there, and the next few pages)
cyberheater
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Okay. Thanks for the update.
And in terms of Orbis's GPU vs Durango. We don't know at this point if MS has improved on the leaked spec.
I would imagine there are folks in MS headquarters that shat their pants when they heard that PS4 would have 8Gb of GDDR5 memory and are currently scrambling to work out how to match that spec.
metalslimer
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PC holding the PS4 back? What is going on here?
Mentioned by me volumetric effects (explosions, smoke) from Knack trailer.
Nice, but where you see "volumetric" here? The smoke/fire/particles do not interact with geometry, so those might as well be 2D sprites...
Yes, that is the rumour so far. I am saying that increasing the overall RAM now gives them the opportunity to pad the OS with features (if necessary) to compete with XB3 when its OS features are revealed.
I am not sure about dramatic improvements (which will come gradually over the years) but it is very likely that KZSF was designed around older spec. Given the tremendous improvement we saw between KZ2 pre-alpha and final product, there is a lot of improvements to come (increase in RAM notwithstanding). And the RAM increase ought to improve certain things even further (frame rate not being one of them).
You can read this bit here (and click on the article for more info):
As the generation goes on a roll, the devs will start to utilize the hardware better and better which is agnostic of hardware design (hence the reason why first generation Xbox or Xbox 360 titles look so very out dated compared to their mid-twilight year releases).
At the hands of talented developers, I am sure it will shine. The good thing is that struggling to learn the system has been seemingly removed from the equation. Now it's
Some more volumetric smoke from Knack:
Yeah, same as above - I'll believe it's truly volumetric when Knack walks through it and smoke ebbs & flows naturally through elements of his body (which, BTW are the most impressive thing in this whole demo, as they seem to be 'physically' connected to each other and moving accordingly to Knack's actions)
Look at left down corner and look how explosion behave. Mind you it is trailer we don't know if it is prerecorded but volumetric fog isn't newest hot thing. It was in Stalker kind of 2009. It is noticeable jump because PS3 or X360 simply didn't have bandwidth and size to do them.
EDIT:
Volumetric doesn't mean that it needs to react to physical contact.
On other hand i remember some games that did volumatric effects on consoles.
Pro drift which had volumetric smoke from tires (for burnouts) which was affected by physics
Uncharted 2 grenade explosions which were static
Mentioned by me volumetric effects (explosions, smoke) from Knack trailer.
Damn that looks great. I hope this game ends up surprising me cause I was underwhelmed by its first showing.
Projectjustice
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Everyone that thinks 7.5GB of ram is for devs to make games with is just fooling themselves.
A lot of people isn't specific enough to make that kind of inference =p
It's been going on in every thread I've been frequenting. For every three posts of enthusiastic posters there is always one that is like "meh" when my point of view is hey a week ago we all accepted 4GB of GDDR5 but we know have double that, let's rejoice!
8GB of vRAM is fantastic no matter which way you look at it and the developers are happy about the design choice as well. That makes me happy knowing they are ecstatic to start pushing the boundaries yet again. Shadow Fall hasn't even begun to push the boundaries either, I believe. Remember the leaps they made from alpha to final production? Same thing is going to happen here, albeit with perhaps a frame rate boost because of the RAM increase?
I'm excited.
cyberheater
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Even if it's only 7Gb. It's still massive.
Mentioned by me volumetric effects (explosions, smoke) from Knack trailer.
Knack is really flying under the radar. I thought it looked great.
Even at 5.5-6GB that statement still stands. Plus, we have yet to learn whether would be some form of partial OS offloading to the rumoured 16GB flash chip (designed to store updates even during low powered states) or that in time, like the PS3, the footprint would be eventually reduced.
It's a long road ahead.
I think it has to do with the artstyle.
Nemesis121
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Now, looking forward to see what they do about Durango's twice-as-powerfull CPU. A hint for Sony - go to 16 cores
Not with AMD, Bulldozer is garbage...
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Yeah. I thought it looked great but did not like the game style.
metalslimer
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Wait didn't they show footage of Knack running on Vita or was that a different game? I was extremely impressed by the trailer when I thought it was real time but the gameplay looked completely different.
Some more volumetric smoke from Knack:
A smoke being "volumetric" or not has nothing to do with bandwidth - you need bandwidth for overdraw, i.e. how much transparent things you can put on screen at one time (and this is where PS2 & X360 where much better than PS3). Volumetric means that the smoke (or fire, water, etc.) are not just sprites, but are "conscious" about the geometry & conditions of the scene (e.g. wind) and - being split in mutitude of particles - interact with it, i.e. smoke is moved by wind, by passing objects, flows through scenery (e.g. gaps in stairs). This requires strong CPU or - even better - a GPGPU, because it can be highly parallelised. And this is why PS4's extra 6 Compute Units (18 vs. 12 in Durango) is - might be, it's still uncertain - such a big advantage.
Boss Man
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We just don't know a whole lot about it. The fact that Cerny has been working on it says that it will probably end up being a bigger deal than we've made it out to be so far though.
Nothing meaningful.
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GDDR5 is 2x GDDR3, there is no GDDR4 or DDR5.
GDDR5 is based on DDR3 with 4x the cycles per clock signal, GDDR3 is 2x.
BloodMoney
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Even if it's only 6 Gb its still massive...
Absolutely. I will be picking this game on day 1 if it launches with the console. Got a great feeling from it.
Callibretto
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it has a lot of fun gameplay potential, Knack can changes to multiple forms, each can come with it's own unique ability, shrinking to small form can allow him access through vent or small hole, he can also change material like in the trailer he become glass material to bypass laser sensor.
it's definitely on my radar as games to watch, and I've just watch Mark Cerny 1 hour Q&A from Nov 2012 and he sounds like he really understand game design and what make a game great.
Frankly i don't think we are people who are be playing this game. I think it is created mainly with kids in mind same as was Crash or Spyro. It is directed by dude which was responsible for crash spyro and a lot of sonics past 1st one.
When you look at Knack and artstyle it is imo created with kids in mind. For example this character could be in any pixar film (from design not GFX side):
I might be wrong, but the comments are not about size, but type of the RAM - it's great to have 8Gb, but it doesn't need to be GDDR5. Adding that is pointless when you're limited by the GPU. For example nVidia's Titan has 6Gb of GDDR5 and is like 6-8x more powerfull than PS4's GPU - if they felt it's better of with 8 or 10Gb they'd put it there, because at this price 100$ more is not an issue anymore
Yeah, you're wrong. It needs to be GDDR5. Lesser GPUs than the one in the PS4 still use GDDR5 - in fact, if you're buying any graphics card at all you shouldn't buy one without it, because that means the manufacturer doesn't give a fuck about the performance. Now if you're making a console and doing some custom shit like Microsoft you have options, but if you're just going to stick some chips on there and call it a day it should be fast RAM.
Some more volumetric smoke from Knack:
Knack looks excellent. Will probably be a fun change of pace as well.
That's what she said