Sooner
Member
What they should have done is made better games that you can only play on Xbox.
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PS5 is outselling Xbox Series Consoles at a rate of about 4 to 1 the last 15 months
Sooner
Member
GamePass costs $240 every year to rent games and, unlike GameFly, they choose the games for you.
LordOcidax
Member
You can buy the Ultimate for $9 in a few websites, that’s about 108 a year
bender
What time is it?
PS3 solidified a lot of the trends that we see today from Sony.
Nope all the franchises would have died with Xbox because the quality would drop with the sales because of a low return on investment.
Microsoft is doing what is best.
Lokaum D+
Member
A lot of new ips, free online mp, single player focus over MP and no remaster/remake of 3 years old games ?
PS5 Sony is way worse then PS3 Sony, the only resemblance IS the arrogance.
S0ULZB0URNE
Member
But it's faaar better than that other RDNA console.
Unknown?
Member
Huh? They had more multiplayer games back then(warhawk, mag, every game having tacked on online) but single player definitely became a thing with PS3.
bender
What time is it?
The snowball started rolling with the PS2 (God of War), PS3 codified it, and PS4/PS5 just rode the momentum. It has nothing to do with arrogance and more to do with measurement of success for any given piece of software. It's not my cup of tea but it's hard to argue against the success they've had. Remasters and remakes aren't exactly a new concept either.
Daneel Elijah
Member
Phil himself talked about Bethesda games being best or first on Xbox a few years ago. I understand that Activision games are too big to stay only on Xbox but Xbox did try this strategy a few years, up to Starfield at least. Beyond the failure in execution, they seemingly failed to integrate them smoothly as Redfall shows. Outside of COD, what games would be bigger than Starfield for Xbox in the 2020s? Microsoft is doing what is best now, because they took too long to buy Activision. They failed to have enough Xbox sold because among other things they failed to have a tentpole game for the Series S/X launch( no Infinite hurt them I think). They made choices that led to cater more to budget buyers with the Series S and Gamepass and I think that they failed to make those people buy more, the same failure that Nintendo got when they tried to move their Wii playerbase to the Wii U. How many Series S and Switch have been gifted and then forgotten?
I am not saying that a miracle would happen but more exclusives would have helped.
Heisenberg007
Gold Journalism
That was the CFO. And that was a false statement. I've posted about this a couple of times, but they were lying. It was revealed during the FTC investigation. Phil said that every Bethesda game was going to be exclusive after that CFO statement.
MacReady13
Member
They’re only doing what is best because they’re the idiots who trained their dogs to rent games instead of buying. They also decided to keep new games released 1st day on Gamepass so why in the fuck would a renter decide to buy those games when it comes part of their rental fee?
clarky
Gold Member
How so?
The console is pretty much exactly the same as the ps5 mate, like i said its a fine console, as is the PS5. Actually on paper its more powerful than the PS5, not that matters.
Last time i checked VR (lol) and the ssd are optional extras.
The haptics are nice on the dual sense, but again i wasnt commenting on the controller, I was talking about the console, a month ago.
Whether the PS5 has VR, haptics or free gummie bears with every purchase is irrelevant to my statement, but you keep fighting the good fight.
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SweetTooth
Gold Member
clarky
Gold Member
His mates missed out on a lot of great titles. Not so smart.Your mates were smart, unlike lots of folks here
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Options have inherent value.
Just as Sony's decision to go with off the shelf nvme drives is inherently more valuable than Xbox's plug and play bet.
Meta made a bet that wireless was more important than fidelity and it was the right bet over the PSVR2. That's just the reality in terms of value on the market.
You can get a 2TB or 3TB PS5 for significantly cheaper than a 2TB or 3TB XSX. I think that is one of the reasons why Microsoft planned the 2TB SSD to reduce the need for the expansion card and its heavier prices, but they again made a bad bet as it is very close in price to the PS5 Pro, which also has 2TB but significantly more performance.
The XBS family was not as well thought out as the PS5 and it isn't close. That isn't to say that it doesn't have some advantages like quick resume, 40 fps VRR, and better BC enhancements. But the value of most these are lesser on the market than the PS5's advantages.
Killjoy-NL
Banned
This is their most profitable gen by far.
PS5 is Sony's most profitable console gen ever after just 3 years, beating PS4 by over $36 billion in sales
It's already generated over $10 billion in profit
clarky
Gold Member
Thats all cool but not what i was talking about, at all.
Someone said:
And i simply replied:
Nothing about the advantages ( there are many) of the PS5 over the Xbox. We where just talking about the actual console until that guy dug up my comment from over a month ago and started barking on about the PS5.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
What makes it a fine console if there is no compelling reason to own one?
Ronin_7
Member
I don't think Sony gives a shit about your feelings when they're swimming in profits.
clarky
Gold Member
The actual hardware is arguably the best they have ever made. Build quality, specs, performance etc. No RROD, no useless VCR features, not the size of a house.
Like i said the X is a fine console, shame about everything around it. there is no compelling reason to own one because PC and PS5 exist. Doesn't change the fact the hardware is decent, better than the PS5 even is some respects, on paper.
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Killjoy-NL
Banned
We rarely agree, but I kinda agree with you here.
I don't think anyone really disagrees with the actual Xbox consoles being fine (maybe RROD, but PS3 had YLOD).
It's everything outside of the consoles themselves that's the issue.
clarky
Gold Member
The OG Xbox one was shite, far and away out classed and out priced by the PS4 but the rest have been able to hold their own. Like you say its everything else that they are terrible at, especially recently.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
This. Key word be "only".
If Microsoft had released their games exclusively on Xbox day one, they might have sold a lot more consoles.
However, considering they've never made a profit on hardware, maybe releasing games on PC with Xbox has been more financially successful?
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The plug and play expansion is just as bad as Sony's decision to use memory sticks and other proprietary memory on their handhelds instead of SD cards. That's a massive flaw in design.
I see your point, but outside of bad build quality, that's as big a flaw as most consoles get. Not to mention that it wasn't designed around reducing bottlenecks making much of its on paper specs somewhat useless.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
This. Key word be "only".
If Microsoft had released their games exclusively on Xbox day one, they might have sold a lot more consoles.
However, considering they've never made a profit on hardware, maybe releasing games on PC with Xbox has been more financially successful?
The key word is actually better.
There is not a single game released on XBS and PC that had it not released on PC would have moved the needle on XBS.
clarky
Gold Member
Yup, we can agree on this. Their output both in frequency and quality has been nothing short of terrible since the One days arguably before, and still is.
That's why they are getting crushed ultimately.
They desperately needed 2 or 3 killer apps early on. Too late now.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The difference between Sony and Microsoft outside of how they deal with contractors is that Sony started investing in studios in the early 2000s.
Microsoft did not.
Microsoft tried to accelerate their studio group by buying publishers, but most of these studios were on the decline. The result has just turned into massive operating costs.
I can't name a single MGS studio that is clearly at their peak or on the rise.
Half of Sony's studios are at their peak or on the rise and they were already better than Microsoft's studios. Some are on the decline too for sure, but that's the industry.
Microsoft did not.
Microsoft tried to accelerate their studio group by buying publishers, but most of these studios were on the decline. The result has just turned into massive operating costs.
I can't name a single MGS studio that is clearly at their peak or on the rise.
Half of Sony's studios are at their peak or on the rise and they were already better than Microsoft's studios. Some are on the decline too for sure, but that's the industry.
clarky
Gold Member
Playground maybe? Lets see how Fable turns out I suppose.
I don't like the Horizion series myself much but I can't deny they churn out games that are a cut above most stuff MS has put out recently.
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Mibu no ookami
Banned
Next year Sony has Ghost of Yotei and Death Stranding 2... sequels to games nominated for GOTY... And that's just what we know. Sony could also release a Venom game and there is still unannounced projects from Bend, Naughty Dog, and Insomniac.
Sony could legitimately have 2+ GOTY contenders next year. Microsoft hasn't really produced that the whole generation.
The closest they've gotten was Psychonauts 2 which was multiplatform and not a system seller. They thought they were getting GOTY material with Bethesda, but it hasn't come to fruition. It seems they bought Bethesda at the worst possible time.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
I'll give it to Playground given the popularity of Forza Horizon, but Fable is going to blow up in their face and has essentially already.
Fable isn't a game you make in 4 years with a team that's never done anything other than racing games. I know that it is stated that the games been in development since 2018 rather than 2021, but it couldn't have been the whole studio as they were still making Forza Horizon.
People's expectations for the Fable franchise have always been pretty big and I'd be absolutely stunned if they delivered.
Yes they had a dumb plan to devalue retail games & basically crash the industry & be the only one able to survive with the subscription model of paying for games upfront & slowly making the money back through subs. But as they were trying that dumb crap games were selling 20+ million on PlayStation & Nintendo platforms. Now they are doing what's best to save their investment & keep the franchises alive long enough to reach a time where the subscription model will work.
clarky
Gold Member
I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt until otherwise, I liked what little they have showed so far.
I believe they have another studio doing Fable along side the Racing team, but i expect it'll be all hands on deck now from both they are seemingly heading towards release.
Lets see but they are head and shoulders above anyone else at xbox AAA wise by quite some margin.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
The bar couldn't be lower.
Even Tango who got a lot of praise and is no longer xbox. I considered buying HiFi Rush when it was on sale and do you know what? It would be so low on my backlog that it isn't even worth it.
I didn't buy Sea of Thieves, Pentiment, or Grounded either. I wouldn't buy Starfield and have zero interest in Indiana Jones.
Microsoft games largely rate lower for me than Ubisoft and I'm not buying their games either. Side tangent, it's crazy that Ubisoft didn't buy Tomb Raider and crystal dynamics.
clarky
Gold Member
Pentiment was great but not for everyone, HiFi was a nice little game, nothing more.
They have a few things on the horizon that interest me, Clockwork revolution, Doom, Fable but i mainly game on PC so if they are a bust nothing lost my end.
Mibu no ookami
Banned
Everyone expects a modern Fable game to live up to the promise of the first two games. There's no chance that happens in a game that isn't in development for 8+ years in this era by a team that is already well suited for the genre.
clarky
Gold Member
Well we are at six and counting since the announcement. So they have been working on it in some capacity since at least then, maybe longer.
Switching genre's doesn't seem to be a problem for competent studio's, take Guerrilla with Horizion for example. I think that game took 7 years from start to finish?
Time will tell.
mgcemir85
Neo Member
Dude, all I know is that I'm enyoing the shit out of my series x. Got couple elite series 2 controllers on heavy discount, cheap games with cd keys websites, cheap ultimate membership also with cd key websites, and almost all of the games nowadays have cross play so I can play with my friends with discord integration as well.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I had to think about this one and yeah, you're probably right. I honestly can't think of a single killer app for this Xbox generation.
RetroGamingUK
Member
No PlayStation has reached 80m by this point.
They just repeat what the rest of the cult were saying.
The amount of times you'd see marketing speak such as "the best place to play" and all that shite, they were just brain washed by PR.
Poor deluded fools
I doubt so, as overall sales went down this half of the year. Also PS5 pro was announced so even less demand for PS5 consoles until PS5 pro is out. I guess than 80m will be reached next year.
RetroGamingUK
Member
By the end of this year they’ll be at…
PS5 = 70m
XBS = 30m
…approximately
I struggle to see Xbox shifting more than 5 million next year though.
By the end of the gen I expect…
PS5 = 115m
XBS = 40-45m (depending on how close release dates are for MS games on XBS and PS5)
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Zacfoldor
Member
When a business starts to fail they will often try a race to the bottom.
race to the bottom
a situation in which companies compete with each other to reduce costs by…
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The idea is that since you are unable to compete in other ways, lowering price and appealing to that lower price with marketing is a way to keep your business afloat and at high volume. Problem is race to the bottom often has unsustainable profit margins. That is why it is usually a last ditch effort before going out of business.
MS disguises it really great in their marketing, but what gamepass actually is, is a coupon. It's coupon day at Jurassic Park but for gaming. It is designed to save you money at the cost of the quality of games you play. It's like a HMO in insurance. Sure you can still see a doctor but not your doctor. You gotta see a doctor inside your network. With gamepass it saves you money by allowing you to only play games inside its network. It is a cost savings measure for gamers, designed to get them to buy a console/ecosystem that isn't competitive outside of the pricing.
It never has been and never will be a winning strategy, it is a strategy of necessity from a struggling business.